Confirmed with Link: [PIT/MTL] Jeff Petry and Ryan Poehling for Mike Matheson and 4th PIT 2023

[smirob]

Hughes represented Matheson also, must know he has good character...

 

[Guy Larose]

He's been saying it since the start that if he traded Petry, he would be looking for a vet D to replace him. What people missed was the unsaid "as the return for Petry".

It's because people on here have this narrative that we are dumping every player for picks and are tanking, which is far from the truth. It's been pretty obvious that they're going for a mixture of turning some players into picks and adding NHL players...aka a rebuild on the fly. He also just said that they might look to add a RHD now, so there's more evidence for you.

 

[BenchBrawl]

No one can say with a straight face that we won this trade. We barely save any cap space AND we give Poehling for free. Beyond brutal.

I mean ultimately, who the f*** cares about Petry and Poehling?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Hughes also mentioned 10,000 times the need to get some cap flexibility, mentioned Petry many times while talking about it. We didn't get any Cap flexibility so far.

Hughes said if he trades Petry, he will look to get a vet D to take those minutes. So it was never going to be Petry out and 100% of the cap be alleviated.

 

[FerrisRox]

With 4 years left that TDL deal is a ways off. If he does play solid top 4, hard to think they will trade him. I'm not sure that Hughes wants to tank the way the posters here do, obviously not as playoff team next year but I suspect and hope Hughes understands that a total tank season would be detrimental to his young players.

I don't think Matheson becomes attractive at the deadline only when he's a UFA. I think his contract is a good value deal, and he could be sought after at the deadline as early as next season.

It would require the Canadiens taking back something undersireable from a contender, but that would only sweeten whatever else they may get offered.

I don't think he'd be on the move this year, but by next March, I think Hughes might have a choice to make.

 

[dinodebino]

Some truly embarrassing comments in this thread from a lot of Canadiens fans who don't have a clue what they are talking about.

People calling Mike Matheson "an awful defensemen" are dumber than a bag of rocks.

Get a clue. Watch some games.

I promise you that Mike Matheson will plug a hole for the Canadiens for a season or two and then be flipped, likely at a deadline, for decent value.

He's a decent two-way defensemen who I personally advocated the Canadiens target when the Panthers were rumoured to be interested in moving him. He's coming off career bests for goals, assists and points, is very mobile and be plugged in on one of the Canadiens power play units.

He's a place holder who can log a lot of minutes on a lousy Canadiens blue line next year and then he can be moved out when the time comes.

I love you. You should come out of the woods more often.

 

[1909]

Mike is already a very solid dman,.. i do expect to see him elevate his game further just like
how Petry , Chiarot did after coming to Montreal,..Also Mike's born in Quebec and speaks
french so that's a bonus for this market .

I would imagine he will be extra pumped up to play in his home province .,.,.,.,
welcome home and welcome aboard Mike , good luck this season!

His wife is American. She is or used to be on their National Hockey Team.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Pens fan I come in peace.

Wondering how good of a prospect Poehling is?

I see a lot of comments about Matheson being shit. I think you guys are going to love him.

Matheson is incredible and honestly I think he's on the up.

Edit he isn't a prospect he's 23 Big F.

Poehling don't really care about hockey. He care about Fortnite and Video Games, he isn't that good. 4C at best.

 

[BaseballCoach]

No one can say with a straight face that we won this trade. We barely save any cap space AND we give Poehling for free. Beyond brutal.

We save $1.375M, got 6+ years younger, got a guy who will be more happy to be here and who had more points than Petry last year. We also made room for Pitlick who has more offensive upside than Poehling.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Matheson rejuvenating his career in PIT has me more happy about this trade than if it had been for the FLA version of him. Not too worried about Poehling making us regret this trade or being unable to move Matheson down the road with cap going up.

Was not the kind of trade I was expecting but satisfied with return and I see the logic. Happy that we were able to bring back Pitlick.

Kudos for HuGo for coming up with these unexpected and unorthodox ideas to fix problems or accelerate rebuild. Might have Matheson on my shortlist for pools now since he might get a lot of mins and top pp duties.

 

[HostileCapSpace]

I absolutely hate the extra year on the cap... Don't really care about the player, didn't expect much for Petry and it's good for the tank.

Edit: If getting rid of Poelhing gives us Pitlick - that is fine.

 

[EXPOS123]

How can we trade Toffoli, Romo, Lehks, Chairot, Weber and Petry and still barely have any cap space?

 

[sampollock]

We save $1.375M, got 5.5 years younger, got a guy who will be more happy to be here and who had more points than Petry last year. We also made room for Pitlick who has more offensive upside than Poehling.

Soild point

 

[BenchBrawl]

Can someone explain me how we'll ever get out of the Carey Price contract? This seems like cap hell for the next gazillion years

 

[Guy Larose]

I absolutely hate the extra year on the cap... Don't really care about the player, didn't expect much for Petry and it's good for the tank.

I absolutely hate the extra year on the cap... Don't really care about the player, didn't expect much for Petry and it's good for the tank.

There.Is.No.Tank....never was.

 

[KevSkillz4]

How can we trade Toffoli, Romo, Lehks, Chairot, Weber and Petry and still barely have any cap space?

Carey Price and his 10,5 millions.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Can someone explain me how we'll ever get out of the Carey Price contract? This seems like cap hell for the next gazillion years

Price has said he will play only if he can be at a level he is happy with.

I strongly believe that within the next 18 months, Price will be either:

a. playing well; or​

b. retired: or​

c. on permanent LTIR​

 

[NewEraGM]

Yes. Poehling was awful. BUT, Habs are very shallow at C. Outside the 4 regulars (Suzuki-Dvorak-Dach-Evans).... they have next to none. Maybe Rem Pitlick can help once in a while. Nobody good in Laval.

Honeslty, very easy to acquire a 4C….not an issue

 

[BenchBrawl]

Price has said he will play only if he can be at a level he is happy with.

I strongly believe that within the next 18 months, Price will be either:

a. playing well; or​

b. retired: or​

c. on permanent LTIR​

What does retirement vs. permanent LTIR entails for us?

 

[JianYang]

The trade looked bad initially, but after reflecting its ok.

It was basically Poehling for Pitlick
And Petry for Matheson + 4th

Petry is the better defenseman, but he's also 34 and requested a trade.
The habs get a 28 year old D who's coming off a better season than Petry and who seems to be in a upward trajectory. They also get a 4th and save 1.3 M in cap space.

After the Burns, Pacioretty, and Mcdonagh trade, there was no way we were getting back good picks/prospects for Petry

I think the mentality was that people automatically saw this as an opportunity to shed alot of salary.

However, the fact is that while we all know what Petry can do, he's also 34, with a hefty multi year deal, and coming off his worst year in quite some time.

I was fully prepared to not totally love the deal that moves petry, because it just wasn't realistic to expect otherwise.

 

[Belial]

He doesn't have the same potential offensively. And he is already 28.

Petry at 28 years old put up fewer points in more games played than Matheson.

He really took off the year after.

He was not viewed as an offensive Dman when we traded for him.

 

[BaseballCoach]

How can we trade Toffoli, Romo, Lehks, Chairot, Weber and Petry and still barely have any cap space?

Price, Gallagher, Hoffman, Savard, Byron, Armia

1 or 2 is liveable, 6 is ridiculous.

Cap management and good player evaluation are franchise changing abilities.

If we keep Danault instead of Gallagher we don't need to trade Romanov to land a Dach, we could instead use the 1st and 2nd we paid for Dvorak.

If we don't sign Hoffman, we can afford Toffoli.

If we don't sign sign Savard, we can afford Chiarot.

If we don't sign Byron for term and money, we can afford Lehkonen.

If we manage Subban better so he would have 4 x $5.5M left on his contract instead of 6 x $9M at the time of the trade in 2016, we get more assets for him than just Weber.

If Price is more patiently signed to an $8M extension midway through 2017-18, we can afford Kulak today.

If Tatar were traded before his contract expired instead of being kept to ride the pine, we would have another 2nd round pick at least.

What Bergevin did, even while "winning" more than half of his trades, was destroy the club roster through lousy cap and asset management, founded on bad player evaluation.

 

[Adam Michaels]

How can we trade Toffoli, Romo, Lehks, Chairot, Weber and Petry and still barely have any cap space?

Gives you a good idea what kind of cap hell Hughes inherited. Don't forget, Weber was on LTIR all year and Price was on it for almost all of it. So they had the LTIR relief.

Now they don't have any LTIR relief and they are under the cap.

 

[Archijerej]

I think this deal in large part has to be seen in light of the fact that there was no way we were going to go into the season with Edmundson, Savard and Wideman as our top-3 on defense. Hughes was crystal clear that if Petry is dealt, a veteran defenseman would have to be brought in. Matheson kind of fits the profile as he substitutes for the part of Petry's game that was most valuable to us, namely puck-moving from the blueline.

That said, this deal leaves our defense pairings unbalanced as Matheson is a lefty. Our best defensive defenseman is suddenly without a suitable partner. Would someone be surprised if we go after Stralman on a 1-year deal if we manage to clear the cap?

I think we had less leverage than Hughes was letting on. I would have been ok with keeping Petry, but the situation of him being away from his family was likely unsustainable.

As regards to cap space, this doesn't help us much in the short term, although it allowed us to immediately re-sign Pitlick. I think the expectation here is that if Matheson performs as well as he did in Pittsburgh, we should have no problem moving his contract later on if we wish to.

Poehling I think was not very highly valued after last season. In fact, with Suzuki, Dvorak, Dach and Evans down the middle, and a glut of wingers, he was far from certain to crack the lineup. It seems last year was his last chance to demonstrate he could be a useful player in Montreal and he did not pass the test.

I fully expect further moves during this off-season. I'm pretty confident Anderson will be traded. If the Dubois trade materializes, I expect one of Dvorak/Dach to be gone as well.

 

[Kennerback]

The issue is adding Poehling to the mix.... Petry was gone. Everyone knew it. You can’t negotiate from a position of strenght.