Player Discussion Phillip Danault: What's My Line Edition

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Danault had good seasons because he got carried by 2 wingers. Danault is not the reason why Tatar and Gallagher scored both 30 goals. Im sorry to dissapoint you. But Gallagher and Tatar are mediocre this season and coincidence Danault is a complete blackhole. Don't care he's a problem. The coaching staff and org keep playing over and over and over and over. We are going nowehre in the last 5 years and until the day he will play 12min a game will be when habs take a good direction.

It's been a f***ing year since he scored. If his name was Phillip Gomez , you would probably roast him like mrb1p does. He's overrated by french media and never gets in trouble , like Carey Price. It's getting annoying , it's not working with him as a center here. Also who cares if he had 50 points in a season that habs were sinking top 5 in the league. He was playing 19min a game with best wingers. Give him Armia and Lekhonen for an entire season , let's see whos complete dogshit after that.
So good seasons as the first line center with 2 nonsuperstar wingers means that he's not 3rd line material? How about the fact that Tatar is also having a terrible year too? It's not outlandish that they both have off years you know.

You should know as much as anyone that I don't give a shit about his name, so I don't know why you brought that up. It's also not his goal and point totals that took a hit, he doesn't seem motivated at all this year unlike the last 2 years. His defensive game isn't as good, his board battles aren't as effective, it's not just his point totals that is bad with him this year, it's everything.
 
So good seasons as the first line center with 2 nonsuperstar wingers means that he's not 3rd line material? How about the fact that Tatar is also having a terrible year too? It's not outlandish that they both have off years you know.

You should know as much as anyone that I don't give a shit about his name, so I don't know why you brought that up. It's also not his goal and point totals that took a hit, he doesn't seem motivated at all this year unlike the last 2 years. His defensive game isn't as good, his board battles aren't as effective, it's not just his point totals that is bad with him this year, it's everything.

If he's thirdline material then why this org keeps playing him a top 6 spot and give him minutes after minutes. He's immune to anything , he could -5 in a game with 15 turnovers and would still get his time with his 2 butt buddies. Then why can't he be paired with Lekhonen and Armia?

Don't forget he also refused 5m 6 years. That means he thinks hes worth more in his eyes. At covid time id give him the Lekhonen salary or Armia at best. He does not generate offense. He's also absolutely terrible defensively this year.

Also Tatar should be canned and traded. 1 way winger who ghosts in the playoffs.

TLDR ; He can stay in the 3rd line at less he asked i wouldnt give a shit , but stop overplaying him.
 
Thing is...he,s not even good at checking this year. He's soft. He misses assignments. He loses battles. He doesn't even use his smarts the way he used to. Not sure if it's the contract, but there's just nothing there. Except he's better at faceoffs than the others. That's it. So far.

I'm done with him. Done. Bring Boone Jenner. Bring whoever you want.

Ya, I had argued the need to keep him for the year before the season started but I assumed he'd still contribute some offense, and that his defense would be just as efficient.
As you said, it's not. He's playing like shit right now. He is a source of problem.

Move him out.
 
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If he's thirdline material then why this org keeps playing him a top 6 spot and give him minutes after minutes. He's immune to anything , he could -5 in a game with 15 turnovers and would still get his time with his 2 butt buddies. Then why can't he be paired with Lekhonen and Armia?

Don't forget he also refused 5m 6 years. That means he thinks hes worth more in his eyes. At covid time id give him the Lekhonen salary or Armia at best. He does not generate offense. He's also absolutely terrible defensively this year.

Also Tatar should be canned and traded. 1 way winger who ghosts in the playoffs.

TLDR ; He can stay in the 3rd line at less he asked i wouldnt give a shit , but stop overplaying him.
Because we got nobody better. I don't disagree that KK should be getting those wingers at this point, but that's because we need a change. Not because KK has forced the coach to give him the ice time and wingers like how Suzuki did. Danault's delusion is his own problem, but I'm willing to bet that Danault as an actual player is a lot closer to the past 2 seasons rather than this year. Like I said, he's not doing anything right, it's not just points/goals.
 
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I can’t wait for the game he finally scores a goal and instantly gets rewarded (one way or another) for it.
 
It's been a f***ing year since he scored. If his name was Phillip Gomez , you would probably roast him like mrb1p does.

On a positive note: He's not paid Gomez' salary. Oh and Mete, as a D, managed to score at one point. I don't doubt Danault will score before the end of the season, especially if we can continue to play him that much. He probably just need some PP time.

I can’t wait for the game he finally scores a goal and instantly gets rewarded (one way or another) for it.

Well he got 21 mins two games ago, we'd have the second coming of McDavid if he could play more! Since we call the Edmonton duo McDrai, how about SuNault? Or DaZuki?
 
It's not an odd battle, his line has outplayed all elite lines. I've explained why his scoring is down. It's a function of first having to win the draw (which he often does), defending, then carrying a defensive pairing that cannot transition the puck. Then he has to help Gallagher on the boards. Then he has to create space and make a play with Tatar. THEN score.

Your only argument is that he's not McDavid. If you look at the results, his line is outplaying McDavid's line. Yes the line has worn down a bit, they need to shift tactics. Julien wasn't able to do that, now it's Ducharme's turn. The load has to be lightened for this line.

Last year they outscored opponents 40-20 even strength and they've done that again this year. That's what matters- they give us a chance to win. And they've worked their butts off. So when the "fans" try to run him out of town because they only look at surface stats and don't understand the purpose of the line or the duties of the player yes I start clicking on my keyboard.

My solution is to fix the transition game by moving Romanov up with Weber and putting Kulak back with Petry (they've always been excellent with occasional turnovers, but Chariot/Weber are both top 5 in the league in turnovers...). Armia and Anderson are banged up so call up Poehling to add more size.

As I mentioned Ducharme is adding a high forward in the offensive zone, an alternative to simply cycling. This has been the secret behind the league explosion in offense and we are FINALLY getting around to adding it instead of taking low danger point shots. That in turn will open up the point shot even more. I would also put Mete back in there on the third pairing. You can't just have all statues in today's game.
Being a defensive even-strength forward doesn't qualify Danault for anything but a narrow niche role, and in the last calendar year he hasn't even done that very well. Since last February to now his net effect on the ice has been almost nil. Almost exactly as many goals have been scored on the Habs as they've scored with Danault on the ice. And of course, he himself has scored zero.

Outside of even strength he's worse.

Danault is a one-trick pony whose trick -- unlike Patrick Laine whose one trick is scoring -- simply isn't that valuable anymore. And no, I'm not comparing Danault to McDavid. Nobody is, except you. However, I am comparing Danault to the 95 other centers who have produced more points than him.
 
His ice time is on par with his role on this team dueing 5 on 5 situations. As a 3rd liner.
If this team wasn't so stupid with their penalties, his ice time would be close to Kotkaniemis. That being said, he hasn't performed well enough to share the same even strength ice time as KK or Suzuki. Habs can't roll lines when Danault is performing like this.
 
If this team wasn't so stupid with their penalties, his ice time would be close to Kotkaniemis. That being said, he hasn't performed well enough to share the same even strength ice time as KK or Suzuki. Habs can't roll lines when Danault is performing like this.
I haven't taken a precise look at his 5 on 5 ice time vs KK specifically. I read on this forum that Suzuki is like 4 minutes ahead of him. So that settles.it for 14.
 
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I haven't taken a precise look at his 5 on 5 ice time vs KK specifically. I read on this forum that Suzuki is like 4 minutes ahead of him. So that settles.it for 14.
Without shorthanded time, Danault averages 10 more seconds than KK. I think that's a fair way of looking at it considering you are trying to score on a PP and trying to prevent scoring on the PK.
 
Without shorthanded time, Danault averages 10 more seconds than KK. I think that's a fair way of looking at it considering you are trying to score on a PP and trying to prevent scoring on the PK.
So he's like between the 2nd and the 3rd. He needs to become the 3rd in the next couple of weeks. But for that, KK needs to rise up to the occasion.

Suzuki is already the numero uno.
 
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So he's like between the 2nd and the 3rd. He needs to become the 3rd in the next couple of weeks. But for that, KK needs to rise up to the occasion.

Suzuki is already the numero uno.

Perhaps, just perhaps, Kotkaniemi should get some better line mates than he's gotten lately, n'est-ce pas??...
 
Gonna put this here as well since some people defend Danault over face-offs..

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Perhaps, just perhaps, Kotkaniemi should get some better line mates than he's gotten lately, n'est-ce pas??...

Actually Armia was on fire before his injury and wasn't the same when he returned, he's starting to come around. Tatar's numbers remained good when he played with KK. Losing Toffoli hurt but Anderson is back practicing with the team.

I wonder if having a grind line makes sense in the North division. Maybe against Toronto, but do we really need it against these other teams? Might be better to play more uptempo. Ottawa, for instance, usually can't score so why are we playing defensive against them?
 
It's possible he has an injury, he's usually money in the circle and was 52% at even strength until a few games ago.

You'll literally try any excuse to defend the indefensible...he's crapping the bed, plain & simple, and needs to be treated like it, not coddled like a bubble-wrapped child...when anyone else on this team, besides the "favorites", crap the bed consistently, they see their ice time dwindle or they sit, like Tuna...funny how none of that applies to Black Hole...I wonder why...:rolleyes:

Actually Armia was on fire before his injury and wasn't the same when he returned, he's starting to come around. Tatar's numbers remained good when he played with KK. Losing Toffoli hurt but Anderson is back practicing with the team.

I wonder if having a grind line makes sense in the North division. Maybe against Toronto, but do we really need it against these other teams? Might be better to play more uptempo. Ottawa, for instance, usually can't score so why are we playing defensive against them?

Again, another excuse for Black Hole not to have his ice time or line mates taken away; shocker...what's next, the cycles of the Moon??...:rolleyes:
 
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Actually Armia was on fire before his injury and wasn't the same when he returned, he's starting to come around. Tatar's numbers remained good when he played with KK. Losing Toffoli hurt but Anderson is back practicing with the team.

I wonder if having a grind line makes sense in the North division. Maybe against Toronto, but do we really need it against these other teams? Might be better to play more uptempo. Ottawa, for instance, usually can't score so why are we playing defensive against them?

Not true. Armia’s only good game before his injury was the game he got injured in. The Armia that returned is the same lazy, heartless guy we’ve grown accustomed to. This season, he’s had 3 maybe 4 games where he hasn’t looked like a complete bum.
 
It’s amazing the amount of leeway a players gets around here from pseudo “checking”.. a center with scoring wings job is to get the puck in the middle of the the ice, move it to the wing and create a center lane drive to open up space and lanes on offense.. he is absolutely atrocious as an attacking center. Which is fine.. but stick him with lehko and armia and swallow up a top line on the other team. Good third liner. That’s it
 
13 more pages until “Phillip Dann0: 0 goal Chou-Chou edition”

Or he gets traded before.

It’s sad how much his game has fallen since last year. I’m sure he must deeply regret turning down 30 million dollars now. If only Price and Gallagher could have refused their extensions so early on too...
 
13 more pages until “Phillip Dann0: 0 goal Chou-Chou edition”

Or he gets traded before.

It’s sad how much his game has fallen since last year. I’m sure he must deeply regret turning down 30 million dollars now. If only Price and Gallagher could have refused their extensions so early on too...
It's only in the head of his detractors that his game has fallen off a cliff.

While he's underperforming he's nowhere as bad as some make it sound.

That line is still having solid underlying numbers at even strength that just don't translate for some reason so far.

They still generate chances, they're still pretty solid defensively.

Some of you just see what you want to see at this point instead of what's really happening out there.
 
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