Rumor: Philadelphia wanted a 1st rounder, or specific prospect to take Joseph from Ottawa

[Voight]

Can you blame Briere? Flyers may be rebuilding but I wouldnt wanna commit $3million in cap space for another three years for a guy who's a dime a dozen player.

 

[KevinRedkey]

No they aren’t.

Throughout their careers, the % of games missed:
Chabot: 16.5%
Chychrun: 28.2%

To give that some context:
Malkin: 21.6%
Crosby: 17.2%
Ovechkin: 6.3%

Chychrun is certainly "made of glass" territoty IMO.
Chabot isn't far off.

 

[Voight]

No they aren’t.

Chychurn is 100% made of glass.

He hit a career high in games played during his rookie year with 68.

Hes never played more than 53 games in any other 82 game regular season. The last two seasons he played just over half the games.

Ironically 2021 was the only season where he played all the games (or came even close to it). Guy gets hurt every year but dodged COVID during the season.

 

[GAGLine]

That doesn’t say they get cap relief before the 10 days is up.
Now tell me what the actual CBA says,

(d) Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception to the Upper Limit. In the event that a Player on a Club becomes unfit to play (i.e., is injured, ill or disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player) such that the Club's physician believes, in his or her opinion, that the Player, owing to either an injury or an illness, will be unfit to play for at least (i) twenty-four (24) calendar days and (ii) ten (10) NHL Regular Season games, and such Club desires to replace such Player, the Club may add an additional Player or Players to its Active Roster, and the replacement Player Salary and Bonuses of such additional Player(s) may increase the Club's Averaged Club Salary to an amount up to and exceeding the Upper Limit, solely as, and to the extent and for the duration, set forth below. If, however, the League wishes to challenge the determination of a Club physician that a Player is unfit to play for purposes of the Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception, the League and the NHLPA shall promptly confer and jointly select a neutral physician, who shall review the Club physician's determination regarding the Player's fitness to play.

Is that sufficient, or do you want a signed letter from Bill Daly as well?

 

[dirtydanglez]

No they aren’t.

past few seasons they missed a significant amount of time.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Couldn't the sens waive Joseph and a guy like Kelly?

Doubt either of then get claimed. But that should be enough to sign Pinto.

There are way better options than trading a first. At least for now.

If it takes burying a couple guys in the minors and reevaluating next year... so be it

 

[dirtydanglez]

Couldn't the sens waive Joseph and a guy like Kelly?

Doubt either of then get claimed. But that should be enough to sign Pinto.

There are way better options than trading a first. At least for now.

If it takes burying a couple guys in the minors and reevaluating next year... so be it

if they dont get claimed by another team the sens dont get any cap space. the sens can get minor cap relief if they send jospeh to the minors.

 

[BondraTime]

Couldn't the sens waive Joseph and a guy like Kelly?

Doubt either of then get claimed. But that should be enough to sign Pinto.

There are way better options than trading a first. At least for now.

If it takes burying a couple guys in the minors and reevaluating next year... so be it

They’d have 11 forwards.

 

[Korpse]

Wow. Joseph looks good might cost Philly a 1st.

 

[GAGLine]

Couldn't the sens waive Joseph and a guy like Kelly?

Doubt either of then get claimed. But that should be enough to sign Pinto.

There are way better options than trading a first. At least for now.

If it takes burying a couple guys in the minors and reevaluating next year... so be it

Demoting Joseph would save them 1.15 mil. Demoting Kelly would save them 762,500. They currently have about 121k in cap space. The total then would be roughly 2,033,500. That's probably not enough to sign Pinto unless he only signs for 1 year, and even then, they'd have only 20 players and no cap space for injury replacements.

if they dont get claimed by another team the sens dont get any cap space. the sens can get minor cap relief if they send jospeh to the minors.

The Sens would get cap space by demoting them, but as noted above, probably not enough.

 

[KrugAvoy]

If Philly wanted a 1st for Joseph l, did they want like 2 1st for Krug?

 

[PensandCaps]

Probably shouldn't have signed an over the hill and not needed Tarasenko.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Probably shouldn't have signed an over the hill and not needed Tarasenko.

or the korpisalo contract

 

[benjiv1]

or the korpisalo contract

23rd highest paid goalie in the league. Not really the problem.

This is a really short term issue. 5M+ coming off the books next season.

I think they assumed one of Norris or Chabot wasn’t going to be ready for camp.

Team will figure it out.

 

[belair]

They should've just signed Nick Paul. What a mess.

 

[KevinRedkey]

I have them a smidge over 800k in cap space right now with JBD as man #21.
Waiving Joseph and signing J.Bailey to a league minimum 750k would save them 400k overall.

Had they not bought out Del Zoto last year for no benefit, they'd have 1.950 to sign Pinto. I think that would be enough given the situation.

No time machine, but sometimes it sucks to have a GM that makes mistakes like these.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Well, I guess that didn't work for Philly.

 

[Richard88]

How about this?

To Colorado: Joseph @$1.475mm X3 (i.e. 50% retained by 3rd team)

To 3rd team (eg. Arizona): picks/prospects from Ottawa/Colorado for $1.475m X3 capspace/retention)

To Ottawa: $2.95m capspace to sign Pinto.

Colorado simultaneously move Francouz ($2m X1) in a separate trade (or to the 3rd team above) and sign Halak to replace him (eg. $1m X1).

Joseph's forechecking game would be a really nice fit in Colorado's bottom 6, assuming the cap could be made to work.

Not sure what the price of the picks/prospects would be to make this idea agreeable. This could also be a model for another team other than Colorado too.

 

[GAGLine]

I have them a smidge over 800k in cap space right now with JBD as man #21.
Waiving Joseph and signing J.Bailey to a league minimum 750k would save them 400k overall.

Had they not bought out Del Zoto last year for no benefit, they'd have 1.950 to sign Pinto. I think that would be enough given the situation.

No time machine, but sometimes it sucks to have a GM that makes mistakes like these.

CapFriendly has them at $120,953 with 21 players.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

If the Boucher stuff is true and that is what Flyers want the Sens should just pull trigger. Boucher has done nothing to show he is good prospect at this point

I would imagine Flyers want more then Boucher since deal has not materialized

As Hawk fan Davidson should jump in on this and offer Sens the Hawks 3rd rounder for Joseph + 1st rounder

 

[KevinRedkey]

CapFriendly has them at $120,953 with 21 players.

CapFriendly is a great resource for contracts, but isn't the greatest at listing teams realitic rosters. Especilly during the off-season. For example, they have almost half the legue over the cap, which won't be the case by opening night.

 

[GAGLine]

CapFriendly is a great resource for contracts, but isn't the greatest at listing teams realitic rosters. Especilly during the off-season. For example, they have almost half the legue over the cap, which won't be the case by opening night.

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That's 20 players, not 21.

A lot of those over the cap teams will be over the cap because they are making use of LTIR.

 

[KevinRedkey]

That's 20 players, not 21.

A lot of those over the cap teams will be over the cap because they are making use of LTIR.

Because the cap space is for Pinto... making it 21 players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

[mouser]

I wonder if the Sens are allowed to re-acquire Murrray and if that would allow them to put the full cap hit on IR

To my best understanding: No.

The CBA doesn’t explicitly answer the question: When a Team reacquires a Player previously traded away in a Retained Salary Trade, does that “Undo” or otherwise cancel out the previous Retained Salary?

The NHL‘s position is the Retained Salary is permanently in effect and effectively a dead cap hit for the Team. Reacquiring a Player doesn’t remove the dead cap hit. Ottawa could trade for Murray and place him on LTIR, but they would only receive the same $4.7m in LTIR relief Toronto is getting. The $1.56m Ottawa dead cap hit for Retained Salary would continue.

 

[mouser]

How about this?

To Colorado: Joseph @$1.475mm X3 (i.e. 50% retained by 3rd team)

To 3rd team (eg. Arizona): picks/prospects from Ottawa/Colorado for $1.475m X3 capspace/retention)

To Ottawa: $2.95m capspace to sign Pinto.

Colorado simultaneously move Francouz ($2m X1) in a separate trade (or to the 3rd team above) and sign Halak to replace him (eg. $1m X1).

Joseph's forechecking game would be a really nice fit in Colorado's bottom 6, assuming the cap could be made to work.

Not sure what the price of the picks/prospects would be to make this idea agreeable. This could also be a model for another team other than Colorado too.

A 3rd team taking on 50% of Joseph’s contract would be paying $4.65m in real cash and locking up a salary retention slot for three years.

That amount of retention is going to cost a 1st round pick worth of value going to that 3rd team.


Who’s footing the bill between Ottawa and Colorado?