Rumor: Philadelphia wanted a 1st rounder, or specific prospect to take Joseph from Ottawa

[The Devilish Buffoon]

You're coming off as really combative, and I'm not really sure why. I'm not wrong to say I don't consider it a viable plan to pray that Pinto accepts well less than market value, which would allow the team to run a 20-man roster with 200k in cap space.

I'm not going to call you wrong for saying you think it is a viable plan. I just disagree.

I don't think $1.8 is "well below market value" at all. Frost is making $1.8m this year, McBain $1.575m. Pinto should fall somewhere in that range.

If Norris starts the season on LTIR, that would help, too.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Nothing, like the quoted ask was according to Pagnotta. Someone mentioned they'd attach Thomson to Boucher if need be.

Joseph and Boucher was the ask according to Pagnotta. That was it.

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if it's nothing then youre not adding, the whole trade would be thomson and boucher

 

[inthewings]

I don't think $1.8 is "well below market value" at all. Frost is making $1.8m this year, McBain $1.575m. Pinto should fall somewhere in that range.

If Norris starts the season on LTIR, that would help, too.

Frost signed that deal coming off 16 points in 55 games, and think Pinto is better than McBain right now. I think Friedman has estimated that he'll come in at around 2.5M, which seems fair to me.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Nothing, like the quoted ask was according to Pagnotta. Someone mentioned they'd attach Thomson to Boucher if need be.

Joseph and Boucher was the ask according to Pagnotta. That was it.

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Our management is really high on Boucher... I'd do it that trade depending on the return.

 

[FerrisRox]

If you think you are close to contending, Giroux was a good signing, if you think you are a few years out, it's probably better to keep your picks/prospects and younger players.

What picks prospects and younger players have the Senators lost because they signed Claude Giroux?

What are you talking about?

 

[BondraTime]

if it's nothing then youre not adding, the whole trade would be thomson and boucher

Yes, that's what that message means, whether true or not I have zero clue, but that's what is being discussed. They would be trading Boucher (and one poster would even add Thompson!) to move Joseph.

Joseph and Boucher for FC's

It's really, really, reallllllly easy to understand

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Frost signed that deal coming off 16 points in 55 games, and think Pinto is better than McBain right now. I think Friedman has estimated that he'll come in at around 2.5M, which seems fair to me.

Frost did not sign that deal coming off 16 points in 55 games, he signed it this summer.

McBain scored about as many EVP's with horrible line mates and is the most physical forward in the league. Pinto is better but not $1m better. Doesnt really matter what seems fair to you, those are the two most comparable players who have signed this offseason. Pinto will get more than McBain, but $1.8m is hardly a discount.

if it's nothing then youre not adding, the whole trade would be thomson and boucher

Adding them to Joseph....... remember? The entire topic of this thread? He said adding Thomson and Boucher... because thats what the previous poster suggested they send to Philly.... in order to dump Joseph. In other words..... adding them.

Let me know if you need more clarification

 

[dirtydanglez]

Yes, that's what that message means, whether true or not I have zero clue, but that's what is being discussed. They would be trading Boucher (and one poster would even add Thompson!) to move Joseph.

Joseph and Boucher for FC's

It's really, really, reallllllly easy to understand

so what are they adding thomson and boucher to for taking joseph. because the post i quoted said they were adding those assets to the trade. if the answer is nothing then you aren't an addition the the trade they are the trade which means you are agree with me lol

 

[inthewings]

Frost did not sign that deal coming off 16 points in 55 games, he signed it this summer.

McBain scored about as many EVP's with horrible line mates and is the most physical forward in the league. Pinto is better but not $1m better. Doesnt really matter what seems fair to you, those are the two most comparable players who have signed this offseason. Pinto will get more than McBain, but $1.8m is hardly a discount.

Adding them to Joseph....... remember? The entire topic of this thread? He said adding Thomson and Boucher... because thats what the previous poster suggested they send to Philly.... in order to dump Joseph. In other words..... adding them.

Let me know if you need more clarification

My mistake on Frost - was going from memory.

Do you think Pinto's camp would consider 1.8M for 1 year or 4.2M for 2 years the more attractive deal?

 

[BondraTime]

so what are they adding thomson and boucher to for taking joseph. because the post i quoted said they were adding those assets to the trade. if the answer is nothing then you aren't adding them which means you are agree with me lol

THEY ARE ADDING HIM TO JOSEPH



You have to be kidding at this point

"We will take on Joseph, but we want Boucher in return"

 

[dirtydanglez]

THEY ARE ADDING HIM TO JOSEPH



You have to be kidding at this point

that part is already mentioned in the quoted post so no lol

 

[BondraTime]

that part is already mentioned in the quoted post so no lol

Absolute dunce

 

[dirtydanglez]

Absolute dunce

the irony

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

My mistake on Frost - was going from memory.

Do you think Pinto's camp would consider 1.8M for 1 year or 4.2M for 2 years the more attractive deal?

$1.8m for 1, absolutely (imo).

We are pretty well set up to give Pinto a long-term commitment next offseason. I think 1yr makes a ton of sense for him, and is basically the worst option for Ottawa. We are, unfortunately, forced into it... but I think we would greatly prefer to lock him up to a multi-year deal.

 

[Petes2424]

A 1st or top prospect, should be the asking price. There’s still several teams trying to dump salary, and those are only for 1 year contracts.

With very few salary slots open from 3-4 teams who can take these deals, the price goes way up. Add in, it’s a 3 year contract? Of course they’ll want a premium asset.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Good on the Flyers for trying to bend over another team instead of being the ones bent over. I’m cautiously optimistic about Briere

 

[bert]

You're coming off as really combative, and I'm not really sure why. I'm not wrong to say I don't consider it a viable plan to pray that Pinto accepts well less than market value, which would allow the team to run a 20-man roster with 200k in cap space.

I'm not going to call you wrong for saying you think it is a viable plan. I just disagree.

1.8 million on a one year deal isnt less than market value though..... Comparable players have signed deals at 2 years for 4.2 million total. All you have to do as Pinto is look at how much more money the sens have to spend next year to understand its a way better position to negotiate a new deal next year and not be a 10.2 free agent.

I dont understand how you believe trading multiple assets to take joseph is a more viable option than waiving him. Either way they are only carrying 20 guys.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

keep going back lol

This is the start of the comment thread.

You are so lost its impressive.

 

[inthewings]

1.8 million on a one year deal isnt less than market value though..... Comparable players have signed deals at 2 years for 4.2 million total. All you have to do as Pinto is look at how much more money the sens have to spend next year to understand its a way better position to negotiate a new deal next year and not be a 10.2 free agent.

I dont understand how you believe trading multiple assets to take joseph is a more viable option than waiving him. Either way they are only carrying 20 guys.

I dont place much value on Tyler Boucher. Certainly not 1st round pick value. Would be an easy decision for me to attach him to Joseph to clear that cap hit for the next three years. A 1st (in lieu of Boucher) would be a very tough pill to swallow, but I understand why that would be the ask. If I'm making decisions, I'm turning over every stone possible to avoid paying that.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

If you were correct in your faulty assumption about 2nd round pick, he’d have already been traded. Ottawa should look to move a player with positive value to get the space to resign Pinto.

The cost to dump Joseph is clearly higher than your assumption of what of would take.

Right, dumping Joseph isn’t the only way to make room.

 

[BondraTime]

you can press the button after a username to follow quotes back through the entire thread

Fully understand that, thanks.

There is nothing there

This is as far back as you can go, as it's what's being discussed

lmao if this is true

 

[sennysensen]

If it's Boucher, get it done asap.

If it's Greig, not a chance in hell. LTIR Norris for 3 weeks, send Joseph and JBD to the AHL, who cares if JBD is lost on waivers.

If they have to add Thomson to Boucher, do it, he's going to be on waivers in 3 weeks anyways.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Frost signed that deal coming off 16 points in 55 games, and think Pinto is better than McBain right now. I think Friedman has estimated that he'll come in at around 2.5M, which seems fair to me.

a 1 year deal, or did he say a 2 -3 year bridge.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Even if Pinto signed a one-year at lower salary, do you not think it would be easy to make it up on the next contract? It's a rhetorical question & it would be easy. Let's say the shortfall was $500k as an example (try to remember its an example). They could pay an additional $250k over the next two years and that would cover the spread.

Of course it would be easy to make it up...but who in their right mind (player wise) would sign that? You play 1 game and tear your ACL, say goodbye to that promise. Especially if Dorion is on the hot seat this season and gets fired by the end of it, Pinto will get another low cap hit contract that wouldn't be worth it.

It's the same premise of, oh it's okay, he will be UFA after this season and we will go after him then. Nope, that boy is gonna get signed more often than not and you will stand there with your di*k in your hand and your wallet isn't on your dresser again. Seen it a thousand times (tommy boy reference anyone? ANYONE?).

Even in your example (although slight condescension given and received), 500k today is more than 250k x2 within the next 3 years (1 year removed after signing a low-ball contract). Your right, they could pay it over the next two years after he signs this one, but as stated above, Dorion's promise isn't going to be the next guys promise if he get's fired and if I am Pinto, it is not my problem that the GM made a massive mistake and signed others to bigger contracts than they are worth (Joseph as an example and try to remember its an example). That's on you.

Pay me for my worth today or trade me, tomorrow is promised to man.

 

[Golden_Jet]

If it's Boucher, get it done asap.

If it's Greig, not a chance in hell. LTIR Norris for 3 weeks, send Joseph and JBD to the AHL, who cares if JBD is lost on waivers.

If they have to add Thomson to Boucher, do it, he's going to be on waivers in 3 weeks anyways.

LTIR Norris helps for 3 weeks, but doesn’t accumulate any cap space.