Rumor: Philadelphia wanted a 1st rounder, or specific prospect to take Joseph from Ottawa

[Detroit Knights]

I mean Tarasenko+Kubalik=$7.5M and they have $5M off the books in dead cap next year so it was definitely possible.

I agree with Kubalik, it made sense at the time to get him but once they added Tarasenko he became redundant. He's gonna have a hard time getting PP time over 7 forwards in Stutzle, Tkachuk, Norris, Batherson, Giroux, Tarasenko and Pinto. And it's hard to see OTT not having all of Sanderson, Chabot and Chychrun on the PP as well.

He's the easiest move to make but I don't think they'll do it. He's a rental who won't get near the same opportunity he had in Detroit/Chicago.

But if you did do DBC at 7x7.5 you would be in the exact same situation you are in now and have one less player on the roster, so I am not sure how that was still possible...

Which is crazy in regards to Kubalik. He is a very good player that just needs to refine a few things. He is a powerplay right circle slap shot guy and he wasn't utilized right in detroit when it came to. Just going to be crazy to see him get bottom 6 minutes and then traded again.

There was a few guys from your fanbases penciling him in for 20 goals like he did with us, but I don't see how that is possible. Granted, I think they said that before the Tarasenko signing, so there's that I suppose.

 

[bert]

I get that Boucher has some value. But a late 1st to take on Mathieu Joseph for 3 years @ 3M per year would be pretty reasonable to me. And I don't think many/any teams would move a late 1st for Boucher. I think Joseph + Boucher for a 5th or something would be an absolute win for Ottawa.

Or they just send Joseph down and pay nothing.

 

[inthewings]

Or they just send Joseph down and pay nothing.

That doesn't solve the cap problem.

 

[dirtydanglez]

I comprehended it where you got the first round pick from is the real mystery.

glad you figured it out. not sure what you were adding boucher and thompson too because none of it made sense.

 

[Chainshot]

Just punch the waiver ticket for Brannstrom and Joseph… then sign Pinto.

 

[NyQuil]

glad you figured it out. not sure what you were adding boucher and thompson too because none of it made sense.

It's Lassi Thomson.

I mean Tarasenko+Kubalik=$7.5M and they have $5M off the books in dead cap next year so it was definitely possible.

I agree with Kubalik, it made sense at the time to get him but once they added Tarasenko he became redundant. He's gonna have a hard time getting PP time over 7 forwards in Stutzle, Tkachuk, Norris, Batherson, Giroux, Tarasenko and Pinto. And it's hard to see OTT not having all of Sanderson, Chabot and Chychrun on the PP as well.

He's the easiest move to make but I don't think they'll do it. He's a rental who won't get near the same opportunity he had in Detroit/Chicago.

It's a fine line between redundancy and depth.

Last season we didn't have enough offensive depth. Now we're worried about a potential PP player in the bottom six.

I'd rather they find a way to make it work with Kubalik.

 

[bert]

glad you figured it out. not sure what you were adding boucher and thompson too because none of it made sesense.

I didn't quote you... I wasn't even talking to you I responded to another poster about it being Thomson and Boucher. What are you talking about?..... Speaking of reading comprehension... Yikes.

That doesn't solve the cap problem.

Yes it does. As long as they get Pinto on a one year deal at 1.8 or less. You should probably listen to the 32 thoughts podcast where actual professionals are talking about it.

You're likely listening to too many posters that are sens haters and are wishful thinking this situation into something it's not.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

That doesn't solve the cap problem.

I mean it does solve it if Pinto signs for $2.033M or less, but that A) might not work and B) would leave them with a 20 man roster until an injury. If the injury is very short term, they may have to play a man short.

Far from ideal but it's better than moving a 1st rounder as a sweetener to move a good depth player making $1M too much.

 

[Evergreen]

Boucher seems like a reasonable ask from Philly tbh. He’s been super disappointing since being drafted and definitely needs a change of scenery. Maybe being near family would help.

 

[inthewings]

I didn't quote you... I wasn't even talking to you I responded to another poster about it being Thomson and Boucher. What are you talking about?..... Speaking of reading comprehension... Yikes.


Yes it does. As long as they get Pinto on a one year deal at 1.8 or less. You should probably listen to the 32 thoughts podcast where actual professionals are talking about it.

If they get Pinto at 1.8
And if they bury Joseph.
And if they only carry 12 forwards.
And if they only carry 6 D (waive JBD)

They'd come in at around 83.2M cap hit.

I don't think that sequence of events is either likely or desirable.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Adding Thomson and Boucher to take Joseph is absolutely absurd.

I didn't quote you... I wasn't even talking to you I responded to another poster about it being Thomson and Boucher. What are you talking about?..... Speaking of reading comprehension... Yikes.

too funny.

 

[inthewings]

I mean it does solve it if Pinto signs for $2.033M or less, but that A) might not work and B) would leave them with a 20 man roster until an injury. If the injury is very short term, they may have to play a man short.

Far from ideal but it's better than moving a 1st rounder as a sweetener to move a good depth player making $1M too much.

In that situation they lose JBD, and are still in a completely unviable cap situation. I don't think it should be looked at as a reasonable course of action.

 

[Stephen]

No, everyone spending to the absolute max is hurting everyone. The cap was designed with a midpoint and an expectation people would spend around it. Instead everyone jumps the gun and effectively overpays for a lot of people.

Ottawa did not have to sign Tarasenko, but they did so with the realization it was likely to cost them a prospect.

Edmonton signed Campbell and put themselves in a bind.

Toronto signed Taveras and put themselves in a bind.

Ad nauseam.

Ottawa is in cap issues for a number of reasons, not the least dead space which is all on them, nothing to do with being and up and coming team. And they are not alone in that.

If the entire league is jammed up independent of where a team is in their cycle of contention I would suggest the system isn’t properly designed.

Cap space continues to take up more oxygen in league discussions than anything else happening in the sport. And they wonder why the entertainment dollars aren’t flowing in like other professional leagues.

 

[bert]

If they get Pinto at 1.8
And if they bury Joseph.
And if they only carry 12 forwards.
And if they only carry 6 D (waive JBD)

They'd come in at around 83.2M cap hit.

I don't think that sequence of events is either likely or desirable.

It's better than burning top 10 picks to take a useful player. Really hurts that narrative all you guys are trying to run with I get it.

 

[bert]

In that situation they lose JBD, and are still in a completely unviable cap situation. I don't think it should be looked at as a reasonable course of action.

JBD probably gets through. He isn't a big loss for this franchise they have Kleven and other comparable players to fill in.

That doesn't solve the cap problem.

So you've acknowledged you're wrong here.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

In that situation they lose JBD, and are still in a completely unviable cap situation. I don't think it should be looked at as a reasonable course of action.

I mean they would likely not lose JBD and just go 11-7 until something changed. But yeah definitely a bad situation but at least it is doable and they aren't 100% stuck. Definitely a worst case scenario but still a scenario.

There will be multiple teams with 20 man rosters to start the year, it's definitely doable.

 

[bert]

too funny.

That wasn't your text I responded to are you serious right now? I honestly can't believe this.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Oh but the Sens fans at first were thinking they were going to be able to sign DBC for 7x7+ easy though

Probably would have been best if they just didn't add Kubalik in that trade because his cap hit is hurting a bit at this point. Very interested to see how this works out because Pinto is obviously someone they should keep and Pinto also shouldn't just take a discount for a year just to take a discount.

Even if Pinto signed a one-year at lower salary, do you not think it would be easy to make it up on the next contract? It's a rhetorical question & it would be easy. Let's say the shortfall was $500k as an example (try to remember its an example). They could pay an additional $250k over the next two years and that would cover the spread.

 

[dirtydanglez]

That wasn't your text I responded to are you serious right now? I honestly can't believe this. View attachment 746082

i never claimed it was my message lol. only that i corrected your misunderstanding

 

[inthewings]

So you've acknowledged you're wrong here.

No, I don't consider that a viable solution to the cap problem. And I doubt the team does either.

 

[Seanaconda]

Not if he's signs a 1 year deal as a 10.2.c. I don't think people know what a 10.2.c. is. $2.5 m would be an overpay for a 1 year 10.2.c. if the Senators go that route. Pinto's only options in this case would be to take the offer or sit out. Not the most desired outcome, but a possibility nonetheless.

I think the Chicken Little posters with their "sky is falling schemes" will be more prevalent in the thread. Seems to be popular although frequently mindless.

That's how the Flames got Gaudreau signed to such a good contract.

 

[bert]

i never claimed it was my message lol. only that i corrected your misunderstanding

I didn't misunderstand anything..... Are you not reading? I never mentioned a first I've quoted and showed you twice.

No, I don't consider that a viable solution to the cap problem. And I doubt the team does either.

Well it is viable you just won't acknowledge it. The fact you think adding first round picks to dump players or lose nothing as a better option shows your inability to acknowledge you were wrong.

How on earth would the team think thats a better option?

 

[dirtydanglez]

I didn't misunderstand anything..... Are you not reading? I never mentioned a first I've quoted and showed you twice.

adding boucher and thomson to what asset?

 

[inthewings]

I didn't misunderstand anything..... Are you not reading? I never mentioned a first I've quoted and showed you twice.


Well it is viable you just won't acknowledge it. The fact you think adding first round picks to dump players or lose nothing as a better option shows your inability to acknowledge you were wrong.

How on earth would the team think thats a better option?

You're coming off as really combative, and I'm not really sure why. I'm not wrong to say I don't consider it a viable plan to pray that Pinto accepts well less than market value, which would allow the team to run a 20-man roster with 200k in cap space.

I'm not going to call you wrong for saying you think it is a viable plan. I just disagree.

 

[BondraTime]

adding boucher and thomson to what asset?

Nothing, like the quoted ask was according to Pagnotta. Someone mentioned they'd attach Thomson to Boucher if need be.

Joseph and Boucher was the ask according to Pagnotta. That was it.