Rumor: Philadelphia wanted a 1st rounder, or specific prospect to take Joseph from Ottawa

[StewieP19]

as far as i remember there is no cap space gained from a suspension.

It's a special case not sure what NHL will do

 

[Stephen]

Every team should be allowed one gofundme type account where the fanbase can raise money for 1 contract slot

Maybe a progressive luxury tax up to a modest amount, or the option to carry the overage penalty into the following year. Or just trade cap space. Team X doesn’t have to actually pay Joseph’s salary which lowers their financial burden but you’ve dealt with it the exact same way.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

lmao if this is true

 

[TkachukNorris79]

Oh but the Sens fans at first were thinking they were going to be able to sign DBC for 7x7+ easy though

Probably would have been best if they just didn't add Kubalik in that trade because his cap hit is hurting a bit at this point. Very interested to see how this works out because Pinto is obviously someone they should keep and Pinto also shouldn't just take a discount for a year just to take a discount.

I mean Tarasenko+Kubalik=$7.5M and they have $5M off the books in dead cap next year so it was definitely possible.

I agree with Kubalik, it made sense at the time to get him but once they added Tarasenko he became redundant. He's gonna have a hard time getting PP time over 7 forwards in Stutzle, Tkachuk, Norris, Batherson, Giroux, Tarasenko and Pinto. And it's hard to see OTT not having all of Sanderson, Chabot and Chychrun on the PP as well.

He's the easiest move to make but I don't think they'll do it. He's a rental who won't get near the same opportunity he had in Detroit/Chicago.

 

[dirtydanglez]

lmao if this is true

that's a get out of jail free card

 

[TkachukNorris79]

lmao if this is true

If they're valuing him as the "first round pick" to take Joseph, they need to make that move yesterday. I'd even add Lassi and another pick lol

 

[bert]

Waiving Joseph doesn't clear enough space to sign Pinto. Friedman said market was around $2.5M for Pinto.

And there's only like 6 teams that will have the cap space to take on Joseph, Kubalik, or Brannstrom. And most of those teams already have their lineups basically set.

It will be interesting to see how Dorion handles this cap situation in a season where his job is possibly on the line and the Sens will be pushing hard to slip into the playoffs.

Wishful thinking on your end. Joseph being sent down gives them 1.8 million to sign Pinto which is more than reasonable for a 1 year deal when you look at all the comparable contracts.

If they're valuing him as the "first round pick" to take Joseph, they need to make that move yesterday. I'd even add Lassi and another pick lol

He has way more value than sens fans who don't like contact want to think.

Adding Thomson and Boucher to take Joseph is absolutely absurd.

 

[FlyguyOX]

If the cost for the Flyers to offload JVR last summer was two 1sts then yeah one 1st for Joseph is definitely right.

lmao if this is true

Seems like an easy decision for the Sens tbh

 

[TkachukNorris79]

Wishful thinking on your end. Joseph being sent down gives them 1.8 million to sign Pinto which is more than reasonable for a 1 year deal when you look at all the comparable contracts.


He has way more value than sens fans who don't like contact want to think.

Adding Thomson and Boucher to take Joseph is absolutely absurd.

Boucher has value, sure, but he's a band-aid and is developing slower than a snail because of the injuries.

WRT Lassi, let's call a spade a spade - he may not even in the Top 10 on our D depth chart in his D+5 season and will likely never play regular minutes for the sens. Needs waivers to go back down so even if he comes up due to injury and plays well, there's a really good chance we lose him for nothing. Even at that, I don't know if he'll get that opportunity as he isn't in the Top 7 and Kleven/Matinpalo are most definitely ahead of him.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Wishful thinking on your end. Joseph being sent down gives them 1.8 million to sign Pinto which is more than reasonable for a 1 year deal when you look at all the comparable contracts.


He has way more value than sens fans who don't like contact want to think.

Adding Thomson and Boucher to take Joseph is absolutely absurd.

adding thompson to boucher not thompson boucher and a 1st

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

lmao if this is true

I feel like if the sens were offered a 5th for Boucher at this point they should take it.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I thought Tyler Boucher wasn't very good.

 

[RickyLafleur]

If I was Dorion, I would simply trade Kubalik. Cap dump trades for picks are what contending teams do.

Original Debrincat trade looks worse every day. Should have never even taken him back in a deal, what a joke.

 

[TGWL]

What do you mean buyout? Waiving a player and burying them is different than a buyout, my friend!

It indeed is. I read your "burying" as "buying"

 

[McJedi]

Which picks and prospects? The most I see us losing to dump Joseph is like a 2nd rounder, which sucks but isn't the end of the world. If push comes to shove, we'll probably move Kubalik or something, which again isn't ideal but is far from the end of the world.

If you were correct in your faulty assumption about 2nd round pick, he’d have already been traded. Ottawa should look to move a player with positive value to get the space to resign Pinto.

The cost to dump Joseph is clearly higher than your assumption of what of would take.

 

[ottawah]

I’m as happy to see Ottawa jammed up as the next guy but how is this system functioning when a rebuilding team on the up and up is already cap strapped? This hard cap is hurting everyone.

No, everyone spending to the absolute max is hurting everyone. The cap was designed with a midpoint and an expectation people would spend around it. Instead everyone jumps the gun and effectively overpays for a lot of people.

Ottawa did not have to sign Tarasenko, but they did so with the realization it was likely to cost them a prospect.

Edmonton signed Campbell and put themselves in a bind.

Toronto signed Taveras and put themselves in a bind.

Ad nauseam.

Ottawa is in cap issues for a number of reasons, not the least dead space which is all on them, nothing to do with being and up and coming team. And they are not alone in that.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I feel like if the sens were offered a 5th for Boucher at this point they should take it.

Has he really fallen off that much

 

[ottawah]

lmao if this is true

Trading Boucher in that deal would make Dorion look foolish. With all the bad press he took from the pick, no way he trades him, rides him forever.

Mind you it worked with Nick Paul. Given chances no one ever would have gotten close to if they had not traded Spezza for him.

 

[ottawah]

Has he really fallen off that much

First off, that was a vast overreach, was expected to to in the 45-100 range.

Then he went NCAA and was was clearly outclassed at that level.

Was a strong Junior player but not a huge standout like most NHL picks are.

And add on top of that injury after injury after injury.

I'm still hoping he can turn into a 4th like energy/banger but he has a long ways to go. As with Paul and Brannstrom though, the Sens have shown a willingness to wait. They gave Paul 7-8 years to develop, Brannstrom 6 years. But for a win now type of team, I'm not sure they should wait another 4-5 years on Boucher.

 

[bert]

adding thompson to boucher not thompson boucher and a 1st

I get it that's absurd. Boucher alone is ridiculous. Look who's in another sens thread making things up predicting doom and gloom. The obsession is real eh.

 

[inthewings]

No, everyone spending to the absolute max is hurting everyone. The cap was designed with a midpoint and an expectation people would spend around it. Instead everyone jumps the gun and effectively overpays for a lot of people.

Ottawa did not have to sign Tarasenko, but they did so with the realization it was likely to cost them a prospect.

Edmonton signed Campbell and put themselves in a bind.

Toronto signed Taveras and put themselves in a bind.

Ad nauseam.

Ottawa is in cap issues for a number of reasons, not the least dead space which is all on them, nothing to do with being and up and coming team. And they are not alone in that.

Exactly. The cap is working as it's intended to. Teams who make shrewd, frugal moves under the cap should be rewarded. And teams with 5M in dead space and another 5.5M for players like Kubalik and Joseph should be punished. Ottawa is being punished for poor roster decisions.

 

[traffic cone]

Hard cap is actually a good thing. My favourite thing to follow in the NHL (as I’m really not a fan of any team in particular) are all the different moves and cap management.

Euro football (especially Premier League) I’ve got no interest any more as it’s all about who has the most money.

Salary cap creates a game within the game. Love it.

 

[inthewings]

I get it that's absurd. Boucher alone is ridiculous. Look who's in another sens thread making things up predicting doom and gloom. The obsession is real eh.

I get that Boucher has some value. But a late 1st to take on Mathieu Joseph for 3 years @ 3M per year would be pretty reasonable to me. And I don't think many/any teams would move a late 1st for Boucher. I think Joseph + Boucher for a 5th or something would be an absolute win for Ottawa.

 

[dirtydanglez]

I get it that's absurd. Boucher alone is ridiculous. Look who's in another sens thread making things up predicting doom and gloom. The obsession is real eh.

just correcting your statement. you either read it wrong or just didnt comprehend what was being said.

 

[bert]

just correcting your statement. you either read it wrong or just didnt comprehend what was being said.

I comprehended it where you got the first round pick from is the real mystery.