Other Sports: Philadelphia Phillies: The Road To .500 Continues Into Red October (2024 Edition)

[Superman33]

Gwynn is a good choice if you want a larger HoF. If you're dying on the hill of it being for the true elites, I don't see a single defense of it.

The older I get, the more I come down on the side of the former approach fwiw. He's above my bar. As you said, it's just interesting how we contextualize these things. Age is absolutely a factor. You're more likely to overrate players you saw as a kid than any other group.

The topic brings up a fun conversation though. Who are the ultimate "In/Out" players at each position? In other words, who is the person you look at and say "If you are better than him, you're in. If you aren't, you're out".

I first heard of that concept when someone was explaining how Donovan McNabb is a good NFL QB person for that. He is very debatable to be in or out, so he makes a good "line" to compare other people to.

 

[FLYguy3911]

 

[DancingPanther]

Wait I'm not sure how I missed this if it was posted on here but a couple days ago Gelb reported the Phillies didn't even meet with Soto lol

Nice work guys. Somehow, Castellanos is partially to blame for this. This is only half joking

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Wait I'm not sure how I missed this if it was posted on here but a couple days ago Gelb reported the Phillies didn't even meet with Soto lol

Nice work guys. Somehow, Castellanos is partially to blame for this. This is only half joking

Blame Middleton’s wife. She said he can’t spend the money.

See! Rich people are just like us!

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[deadhead]

Wait I'm not sure how I missed this if it was posted on here but a couple days ago Gelb reported the Phillies didn't even meet with Soto lol

Nice work guys. Somehow, Castellanos is partially to blame for this. This is only half joking

What would be the point? His ask would blow their salary apart.

Looking at the overpays in FA in every sport, still think best strategy is grow your own and lock 'em up early, even when you miscalculate, much cheaper than committing yourself to a 30 year old for 7 years.

The best deals are based on an affordable floor with potential upside, Wheeler for example.
The worst is paying players based on one or two peak seasons at 28-30, and expecting them to play at that level until their last 30s (Turner, Castellanos).

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Juan Soto is 26.

Bryce Harper was 26 when he signed here.

 

[trostol]

what's the plan for when we do not sign Soto?

 

[Magua]

what's the plan for when we do not sign Soto?

Thank the lord we dodged that bullet for a player near the age cliff and rebuild around youth like Stott and Marsh.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The topic brings up a fun conversation though. Who are the ultimate "In/Out" players at each position? In other words, who is the person you look at and say "If you are better than him, you're in. If you aren't, you're out".

I first heard of that concept when someone was explaining how Donovan McNabb is a good NFL QB person for that. He is very debatable to be in or out, so he makes a good "line" to compare other people to.

I've been thinking about this.

Small Hall Version
Position: Frank Thomas
Starter: Don Drysdale
Reliever: They can buy tickets or have the Eckersley Starter career beforehand. No, not Rivera.

Big Hall Version
Position: Andruw Jones
Starter: Dwight Gooden
Reliever: Tom Henke (He was a lot better than most people remember.)

 

[trostol]

I've been thinking about this.

Small Hall Version
Position: Frank Thomas
Starter: Don Drysdale
Reliever: They can buy tickets or have the Eckersley Starter career beforehand. No, not Rivera.

Big Hall Version
Position: Andruw Jones
Starter: Dwight Gooden
Reliever: Tom Henke (He was a lot better than most people remember.)

my favorite player from that era...also super nice guy..met him in an airport once

 

[Superman33]

I've been thinking about this.

Small Hall Version
Position: Frank Thomas
Starter: Don Drysdale
Reliever: They can buy tickets or have the Eckersley Starter career beforehand. No, not Rivera.

Big Hall Version
Position: Andruw Jones
Starter: Dwight Gooden
Reliever: Tom Henke (He was a lot better than most people remember.)

Love this answer.

 

[Cody Webster]

Blame Middleton’s wife. She said he can’t spend the money.

See! Rich people are just like us!

So much for doing whatever it would take to get that trophy back

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

So much for doing whatever it would take to get that trophy back

We've all been there.

 

[DancingPanther]

Hope you guys like Alex Bregman

How much deferred though?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Dick Allen finally got in.

 

[Kermit the Prog]

Dick Allen finally got in.

Dave Parker, too

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Dick Allen finally got in.

f*** Bill James forever.

 

[Kermit the Prog]

f*** Bill James forever.

Bill James has consistently banged the drum for Darrel Evans to get in, based mostly on his high walk rate and resultant strong OBP. Now, I've always been a fan of Evans - his was the first baseball card I ever owned (1973 Topps) - but...c'mon, man.

 

[Cody Webster]

The White Sox turned down a deal centred around Bohm and Crawford for crotch rocket

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Conforto for 1/17 is going to end up as one of my favorite contracts this offseason. The Dodgers are good at this.

 

[DancingPanther]

Conforto for 1/17 is going to end up as one of my favorite contracts this offseason. The Dodgers are good at this.

16 mil deferred in 1 mil payouts until 2041 I heard

 

[Adam Warlock]

Year to win was 2022. Couldnt get it done and the window hasnow closed unless Dombrowski has tricks up his sleeves.

Hard to win when youre the 3rd best team in the division.

 

[Flybynite]

Heyman says Soto to Mets 15/$765m (no deferred money)