OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): When You're Up, It's Never As Good As It Seems, And When You're Down, You Never Think You'll Be Up Again

[BrindamoursNose]

Is there any chance Howie actually keeps #10 and doesn't trade back?

I'd be surprised considering how many players we're going to lose.

 

[achdumeingute]

My biggest complaint about Gannon's performance yesterday with the benefit of hindsight is that he didn't get the Motion pass-off communication issue fixed. Of course Andy was going to find that. Kellen Moore dialed it up whenever he needed it.

I mean that and basically no halftime adaptation. Didn't we have statistically the lowest blitz rate on the season? When we saw the field was crap and our talent wasn't getting home...maybe dial up some blitzes to get 15 moving and taking some hits. I know he's going to hit pass catchers (he was anyway)...but we didn't change crap.

 

[achdumeingute]

How many RPOs did they run last night while we're at it? Since you brought it up as a major problem. And how many Read Options? Or we don't care about those, just the RPOs?

From the RPOs I remember the DEs did a great job just staying with the RB, and Bolton spied alot. Sometimes Hurts beat the coverage, most of the time he ate it for a small gain. It was pretty clear they were taking the element of uncertainty out, and preferred the pass from Hurts. Spags said as much earlier.

And against a lot of teams, we would win, but their offense kept capitalizing.

We got hard out coached the more I think about it.

 

[Halladay]

The fact of the matter is, I dont think Andy did anything we didnt expect. JG just is stubborn. Please get the Arizona job.

 

[DancingPanther]

I'm so glad Bradberry explained this. The problem wasn't whether it was a penalty. It was. It's that players make decisions based on how that particular crew is calling that particular game. That's the social contract.

There was one OPI on Pascal, but that's obviously not DB play so it's up to you whether it counts or not.

Like a called third strike in the bottom of the 9th that's been a ball 40 other times.

No one has any idea what will or won't get called on any play, and that's the crime of it.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I mean that and basically no halftime adaptation. Didn't we have statistically the lowest blitz rate on the season? When we saw the field was crap and our talent wasn't getting home...maybe dial up some blitzes to get 15 moving and taking some hits.

 

[philly_28]

Way longer halftime than in any other game all season though.

13 minutes vs 32(ish) minutes yesterday.

Chiefs Offense looked very differently from the first snap in the second half.

 

[Halladay]

Is that different for the Super Bowl though? I remember Troy Aikman said during the 2nd Bills Super Bowl they were down 7 and at half time Jimmy Johnson fixed things at the half. Im sure it happens but not last night from Gannon .

 

[achdumeingute]

He's an outlier lol...he's cheating because he was the O coordinator in the huddle and just called the game that worked as it happened

Maybe it's hyperbole, but Chris Jones said after the game their halftime adjustments on defense were great.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Way longer halftime than in any other game all season though.

13 minutes vs 32(ish) minutes yesterday.

Chiefs Offense looked very differently from the first snap in the second half.

They didn't look different to me. They played better. If you listen to the Chiefs after the game, they talked about how positive and upbeat they were during Halftime and how much it relaxed them.

Part of playcalling is the chess match. I don't think the Chiefs made any significant specific Halftime adjustments. I do think Reid found their rhythm and it took some time. Same effect, different mechanism.

 

[Halladay]

The Chiefs just werent on the field at all in the 1st.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Maybe it's hyperbole, but Chris Jones said after the game their halftime adjustments on defense were great.

It doesn't have to be hyperbole. They could have made some small changes. But you don't throw out a gameplan or anything that really tilts a game. The things that mostly catch my eye today are these:



That's a self-scouting issue, but mostly a fantastic job by an opposing coach. They got 2-week Reided. It really is that simple. Gannon's not great, but he's fine. Reid devours great coaches with 2 weeks to prep.

 

[Halladay]

It doesn't have to be hyperbole. They could have made some small changes. But you don't throw out a gameplan or anything that really tilts a game. The things that mostly catch my eye today are these:



That's a self-scouting issue, but mostly a fantastic job by an opposing coach. They got 2-week Reided. It really is that simple. Gannon's not great, but he's fine. Reid devours great coaches with 2 weeks to prep.

And we got the opposite of that in February of 2005 .

 

[Halladay]

Gannon interviewing with the Cardinals still. Go get them John.

 

[philly_28]

They didn't look different to me. They played better. If you listen to the Chiefs after the game, they talked about how positive and upbeat they were during Halftime and how much it relaxed them.

Part of playcalling is the chess match. I don't think the Chiefs made any significant specific Halftime adjustments. I do think Reid found their rhythm and it took some time. Same effect, different mechanism.

You know what? That actually sounds pretty right to me. First Chiefs drive of the game and second half looked identical. Just lost their rhythm in between. Or whatever, just didn't make the plays.

 

[achdumeingute]

It doesn't have to be hyperbole. They could have made some small changes. But you don't throw out a gameplan or anything that really tilts a game. The things that mostly catch my eye today are these:



That's a self-scouting issue, but mostly a fantastic job by an opposing coach. They got 2-week Reided. It really is that simple. Gannon's not great, but he's fine. Reid devours great coaches with 2 weeks to prep.

I saw somewhere else, some comment that the Eagles defense wins on talent, not on scheme. It <feels> like a pretty true statement to me.

 

[DancingPanther]

Losing the turnover battle and the penalty battle is not how you win playoff games. A lot went wrong for them. This shit stinks. What could have been

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I'd also like to say that State Farm Stadium is a clusterf*** for game day operations. I had been there years ago for the Florida/OSU NC and the one thing that I remembered was that it's impossible to get around the concourses.

This was at the top of the area where my seats were last night and on top of this shitshow the attendants at the top of each section demanded to see your ticket before they'd let you down the stairway to the seats making traffic even slower.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It's also sad because the Championship hats were actually nice for once.

 

[RockLobster]

It's also sad because the Championship hats were actually nice for once.

You got a pic?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You got a pic?

I'm just going off what the Chiefs were wearing last night but replacing logos.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I saw somewhere else, some comment that the Eagles defense wins on talent, not on scheme. It <feels> like a pretty true statement to me.

Something I've seen mentioned very few times today, but after people laughing about Shanahan using a TE on Reddick, Reid did it often too. They chose to make his life hell instead -- misdirection, Screens, PA, Chips, everything. Hell, they Pulled a TE to block him a few times. A total A+ schematically.

 

[Beef Invictus]

My neutral take:

1) It was holding by the rule
2) By the way the game was called, it shouldn't have been flagged.
3) It didn't matter. KC was going to get into FG range one way or another, by then they had the game figured out.

It's a shame they called it though because the game doesn't deserve that drama. It was a great one. You guys had a fun season.

 

[deadhead]

They didn't look different to me. They played better. If you listen to the Chiefs after the game, they talked about how positive and upbeat they were during Halftime and how much it relaxed them.

Part of playcalling is the chess match. I don't think the Chiefs made any significant specific Halftime adjustments. I do think Reid found their rhythm and it took some time. Same effect, different mechanism.

You don't have time to draw up new plays, etc. but the playbook has far more plays than you actually run in a game, and you run a mix of defensive schemes, which gives you a lot of leeway to make adjustments. By half-time, you should have a feel for what's working and what's not, and someone should be scouting the opponent, especially with regard to what changes they may make in the second half.

Half-time does give the HC and coordinators time to talk with his assistants and decide what approach they want to take into the second half. During the game, things are happening too fast to fix anything more than the most egregious flaws.

The Eagles did a good job all season shutting down opposing offenses in the second half, but on the other hand, they've struggled against top 10 QBs both seasons, some because they're good and any defense would struggle, but also b/c I think Gannon runs a "play it safe' scheme which befuddles average offenses but allows top QBs to surgically pick them apart. Not sure how much is scheme and how much is lack of talent in the back seven that was covered up by a great pass rush.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

My neutral take:

1) It was holding by the rule
2) By the way the game was called, it shouldn't have been flagged.
3) It didn't matter. KC was going to get into FG range one way or another, by then they had the game figured out.

It's a shame they called it though because the game doesn't deserve that drama. It was a great one. You guys had a fun season.

You had me up until #3.

KC was going to get into FG range after the Eagles would have gotten the ball back with ~1:40 left and one time out down three?