Confirmed with Link: [VAN/NYR] JT Miller, Erik Brannstrom, & Jackson Dorrington for Filip Chytil, Victor Mancini, and 1st 2025 (Top-13 Protected, Unprotected after)

[SillyRabbit]

Fair enough. They might. But let’s not pretend that any other team thinks he’s a $40k truck right now.

I agree, the market wasn't there right now.

Which is why I would have held onto him.

Because I didn't view the situation as one where you needed to urgently move him.

You needed to move him eventually... but you could've waited for a better offer at the deadline or in the summer.

 

[Szechwan]

I see alot of people saying we were lucky to get this value for Miller considering the circumstances and comparing it to our hands were tied like the Kesler trade. What many are failing to realize was we had Miller locked up long term on a great contract and he was our best forward and producing quite well. We didn't need to trade him. No reason at all to dump him for a broken 3C who is one hit from never playing again and 2 lottery tickets that have a 50/50 of amounting to nothing. Oh but a locker room cancer? Well both Pete and Miller said it wasn't a problem so I still don't believe anything happened until I have proof. So ya I'm even more mad now then I was when I first saw this stupid trade.

You don't believe Rutherford when he said it has turned into an untenable situation? I'm pretty positive the Canucks would have much rathered keep them both if it was an option.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I really didn't see the situation as a "things are getting worse with every passing day" type situation.

We were winning games. Miller was producing.

The way you present it is that removing Miller immediately improves things by subtracting a negative.

Long-term, something needed to change, but I don't see how trading Miller for a lacklustre return made things better for the team right now.

I think you easily could've waited for a better return.

We're about to find out real soon though.

Let's face it. If a better return was out there, we would have been offered one by now.

Waiting until the summer may increase the teams interested, but it also hinges on Miller wanting to go there in the first place. If Montreal, Florida, Philly or whoever called and Miller said "nope." That's it. They could offer 5 1st picks and it means nothing.

You also have to consider maybe Miller gets fed up and demands a trade, which he didn't do specifically to not screw us completely the way Kesler did. If that happens, we're back to teams wanting retention or dumping bad contracts on us. Especially if Miller went Kesler's route and forced a very limited list.

We waited almost the entire season and a better offer never happened.

Sure, we were winning. That clearly didn't impact anything, otherwise Miller would have told management he wanted to make things work.

 

[Spectrefire]

I think you easily could've waited for a better return.

That's only if you think Miller's value in the league is different from what the fan thinks his value is.

Clearly his value across the league is low.

Teams like Miller. Teams really like Miller.

But they also absolutely hate their contract and they hate the fact that they have to gamble on whether or not 23/24 Miller shows up or if 22/23 Miller shows up.

He's a good, but inconsistent player who's entering his twilight years and is on a bad contract. Plus he has a NMC. All that drops his value significantly versus his output.

Teams aren't lining up to offer their best trade chips for Miller the exact same reason no one's lining up to offer a haul for Zibanjed.

 

[Oleksiak]

Chytil is only 25, but is coming off four concussions. Count 'em four. He comes with a huge risk. Wouldn't be a surprise to me if he isn't a candidate to be flipped again at the TDL.

Hopefully he's waived if he can't be traded.

 

[Diversification]

At this point happy to take my chances.......I'm not upset about this trade at all from all accounts this was not the worst prospect to target. If you knew who we have been playing on D this year you would understand my enthusiasm........It's been rough for a while - legit it's gonna be hard to replace anyone there with someone worse......

I know very well who we have playing D for us this year. Would love for Juulsen and Desharnais to be supplanted by better talent. What I fear is the Mancini is just a younger Juulsen. I hope, of course, that I'm wrong.

 

[Joe Rogan]

I am optimistic about Mancini. I remember that Rangers fans absolute vilified Neal Pionk and were celebrating him leaving, just based on anecdotes from the Rags I think we have a good one

 

[Quinning]

I am optimistic about Mancini. I remember that Rangers fans absolute vilified Neal Pionk and were celebrating him leaving, just based on anecdotes from the Rags I think we have a good one

Their fans aren't happy he was included.

 

[SillyRabbit]

Let's face it. If a better return was out there, we would have been offered one by now.

Waiting until the summer may increase the teams interested, but it also hinges on Miller wanting to go there in the first place. If Montreal, Florida, Philly or whoever called and Miller said "nope." That's it. They could offer 5 1st picks and it means nothing.

You also have to consider maybe Miller gets fed up and demands a trade, which he didn't do specifically to not screw us completely the way Kesler did. If that happens, we're back to teams wanting retention or dumping bad contracts on us. Especially if Miller went Kesler's route and forced a very limited list.

We waited almost the entire season and a better offer never happened.

Friedman just said that Miller wanted to go to an East Coast US team but he was flexible on which team.

And that over the past week, Miller opened up further, saying that he'd be okay with a West Coast US team as well, so long as it was either a strong organization or a strong team.

So sounded like they had a lot of options as most US teams were on the table.

 

[pitseleh]

I agree, the market wasn't there right now.

Which is why I would have held onto him.

Because I didn't view the situation as one where you needed to urgently move him.

You needed to move him eventually... but you could've waited for a better offer at the deadline or in the summer.

Why do you think they are going to get a materially better offer in a few weeks or the summer when they didn’t three years ago at the deadline, or during the 2022 offseason, or over the past three months?

Maybe the offer gets a bit better, maybe a bit worse, but it’s extremely unlikely it would have increased significantly compared to what has been offered to date. And they would have taken on the risk that his play slips or he does something dumb off the ice as things fester.

 

[Spectrefire]

Friedman just said that Miller wanted to go to an East Coast US team but he was flexible on which team.

And that over the past week, Miller opened up further, saying that he'd be okay with a West Coast US team as well, so long as it was either a strong organization or a strong team.

So sounded like they had a lot of options as most US teams were on the table.

Maybe Colorado didn't want to move their 1st?

New York's 1st is really valuable considering it gives us the flexibility to spend it on a player we really need, specifically a longterm 2nd pair D.

 

[Cogburn]

lol what where you expecting us to get.

Something better than a non-factor that's a tap to the head away from ending his career, another (at best) bottom pairing D and a draft pick that will be just late enough to not matter.

 

[VancouverJagger]

I know very well who we have playing D for us this year. Would love for Juulsen and Desharnais to be supplanted by better talent. What I fear is the Mancini is just a younger Juulsen. I hope, of course, that I'm wrong.

Dude if that's the case we are no worse off......Juulsen is already playing regularly........I dunno maybe he's dating Rick's niece? Sure seems like it with the amount he's been playing. Just a testiment to how rough our d has been This is not a bad gamble for us........like the bar is soo low it will be very hard not to have some type of positive look for this trade..........The bar is juulsen............wait.......there is no bar cus it's on the ground he's been that bad.....

 

[Vector]

I guess Rutherford was trying to soften up Canuck fans a couple of weeks ago about what to expect in a trade of Miller. I my expectations were 'low'.

I see Friedmann is saying that the deal on the table two weeks ago--Ryan Lindgren instead of Mancini--was actually a better one from the Rangers.

Seravalli is discounting that saying it was the same trade (prospect might have been different) but the Rangers’ ownership nixed it because the Canucks wouldn’t retain. Apparently adding Dorrington and Brannstrom was enough incentive.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I am optimistic about Mancini. I remember that Rangers fans absolute vilified Neal Pionk and were celebrating him leaving, just based on anecdotes from the Rags I think we have a good one

To be fair, Pionk still sucks.

Mancini is a good prospect though. It was a real struggle for him at the NHL level this year but even in his short stint he'd flash a few things every game that were good or even really good. He needs time, but the tools are there.

 

[Raistlin]

Hughes came out and did the interview and said he's going to enjoy 2 weeks off. I think the sky is not falling. We "could've" gotten more for Miller if the feud thing didn't come out, but it did. So that's that. They traded the right guy in Miller, they didn't retain, I think Its not that bad. Let's see what they get with the 1st and the cap space. Wait and see the second part of the trade.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Ignoring Lindholms poor fit with Boston but I find it hilarious we waited until this season to trade JT when we could have last year and potentially used Lindholm to fill his spot. Just another strike against management how narrow minded they are and more proof this Miller locker room cancer is so blown out of proportion. If it was so bad they obviously would have known about it last year and could have acted with more leverage. Just completely butchered this while situation. Joke of a franchise as always.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I am optimistic about Mancini. I remember that Rangers fans absolute vilified Neal Pionk and were celebrating him leaving, just based on anecdotes from the Rags I think we have a good one

Mancini kind of came out of nowhere in the system (5th rounder) and has a decent skill set and size. Good head on his shoulders. Plays with some fire and doesnt back down to anyone. Got some solid meanness to his game and can move the puck pretty well when he isnt overthinking it.

Before he went down he was struggling with the speed of the forecheckers on him and making some mistakes with the puck as I believe the league was ramping into shape. But thats fixable.

I could see him topping out as a second pairing type of guy, likely more of 5/6/7 but you never know. I think it was a good add in the deal if Drury wasn't budging on some other prospects. And hes a RH shot. They dont grow on trees.

 

[lawrence]

than a non-factor

I think we tried that, and nobody was willing to give a equal player or something wasn't available.

..I dunno maybe he's dating Rick's niece

He got married over the summer.

not to Rick's Niece. maybe giving him games to showcase to turn into a trade currency.

 

[hotshot1]

At first I hated it but looking at it now, not retaining and getting a first pick back is pretty nice.

 

[Oleksiak]

Hughes came out and did the interview and said he's going to enjoy 2 weeks off. I think the sky is not falling. We "could've" gotten more for Miller if the feud thing didn't come out, but it did. So that's that. They traded the right guy in Miller, they didn't retain, I think Its not that bad. Let's see what they get with the 1st and the cap space. Wait and see the second part of the trade.

Hopefully the second part is getting rid of Chytil.

 

[ephmrl]

Here's a Chytil goal with a Mancini assist.

 

[lawrence]

At first I hated it but looking at it now, not retaining and getting a first pick back is pretty nice.

exactly what I was thinking. We came out with a 1st rounder, a pretty decent prospect, right shot dman, and a roster player, whois scored 20+ in the past while averaging 13 minutes, we also dump 8 million dollar contract.

 

[me2]

Mancini is still confusing me.

I think they should go after Pittsburgh Petterson or similar. A right side of Petterson Hronek Myers with Willander on the way looks trick solid. Maybe the plan is to suck it and see and role with Myers-Hronek-Willander with Mancini replacing Myers in a could of years.

 

[credulous]

I guess Rutherford was trying to soften up Canuck fans a couple of weeks ago about what to expect in a trade of Miller. I my expectations were 'low'.

I see Friedmann is saying that the deal on the table two weeks ago--Ryan Lindgren instead of Mancini--was actually a better one from the Rangers.

maybe mancini will surprise me but i think i would have preferred lindgren. the canucks probably could have moved him for a pick at the deadline