OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): When You're Up, It's Never As Good As It Seems, And When You're Down, You Never Think You'll Be Up Again

[deadhead]

I thought they were outcoached on both sides of the ball.

Time to limit the RPO to a "show me" play, Hurts got most of his yards running on designed runs, teams now focus on him with the RPO and why subject him to that kind of beating?
Everyone and his mother knew Reid was a master of the short passing game, Gannon had no answers.
Couldn't get pressure on Mahomes, too many plays he had 3+ seconds to throw, that's death.

This was the kind of game where a "grind it out" power back would have been invaluable, the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" type.
Sanders simply isn't the kind of back to make one cut, turn it upfield, break a tackle and carry people for an extra yard or two.
He'll feast on weak defenses behind this OL, but when the going gets tough . . .

3rd WR/2TE, no one to provide a viable option to the big three. Watkins simply isn't trusted anymore, Stoll is a blocking TE.
a LB who can cover receiving TEs.

Hurts had the one bad play, but they still led 24-14 at the half. Offense put up 35 points, controlled the game, the defense didn't make any stops the second half.

PAY THE MAN.

 

[achdumeingute]

This is key. But not just any old backup, a backup who has much the same skills and style as Hurts.

For sure, the Saints game showed that out.

 

[Halladay]

The false start on Seumalo probably the biggest play of the game.

 

[ajgoal]

I think it was the only “live ball” flag / moving violation the entire game. I don’t recall any other holding illegal contact PI personal foul block in the back flags

There was a hands to the face on the Eagles' d-line early in the game. But yeah, most of the flags were offsides/false start/delay of game.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I'll watch the TV broadcast possibly tonight if I don't fall asleep but any thoughts out there about the hit on DeVonta along the sideline on the first drive where the defender used his helmet?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I'll watch the TV broadcast possibly tonight if I don't fall asleep but any thoughts out there about the hit on DeVonta along the sideline on the first drive where the defender used his helmet?

Dan Patrick didn't like the non-call on that, for what it's worth.

 

[achdumeingute]

Defensive stats are a function of who you play, Part 18435.

For sure, and we had largely a butter soft schedule.

I'm just rejecting the great defense talk. Reddick and Hargrave individually, were pretty great.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

This was the kind of game where a "grind it out" power back would have been invaluable, the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" type.
Sanders simply isn't the kind of back to make one cut, turn it upfield, break a tackle and carry people for an extra yard or two.
He'll feast on weak defenses behind this OL, but when the going gets tough . . .

That archetype is dead because it wastes plays checking boxes. The world has moved on. Yards After Contact rate leaders now look like Tony Pollard and Khalil Herbert.

3rd WR/2TE, no one to provide a viable option to the big three.

YES. WELCOME ABOARD. I'm so happy about this.

 

[achdumeingute]

I thought they were outcoached on both sides of the ball.

Time to limit the RPO to a "show me" play, Hurts got most of his yards running on designed runs, teams now focus on him with the RPO and why subject him to that kind of beating?
Everyone and his mother knew Reid was a master of the short passing game, Gannon had no answers.
Couldn't get pressure on Mahomes, too many plays he had 3+ seconds to throw, that's death.

This was the kind of game where a "grind it out" power back would have been invaluable, the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" type.
Sanders simply isn't the kind of back to make one cut, turn it upfield, break a tackle and carry people for an extra yard or two.
He'll feast on weak defenses behind this OL, but when the going gets tough . . .

3rd WR/2TE, no one to provide a viable option to the big three. Watkins simply isn't trusted anymore, Stoll is a blocking TE.
a LB who can cover receiving TEs.

Hurts had the one bad play, but they still led 24-14 at the half. Offense put up 35 points, controlled the game, the defense didn't make any stops the second half.

PAY THE MAN.

Because the threat of the RPO is a huge reason we made an all pro LB look tentative two weeks back. Teams know it's coming and it's still hard to stop.

And yea Sanders has always danced too much for my tastes.

 

[Jack Straw]

That 3rd & 1 Sweep late in the game with the fantastic CJGJ open field tackle was out of PRO SET. What a Don Majkowski-ass play.

Majik Man!

 

[deadhead]

That archetype is dead because it wastes plays checking boxes. The world has moved on. Yards After Contact rate leaders now look like Tony Pollard and Khalil Herbert.



YES. WELCOME ABOARD.

Big backs have value, Blount and Ajayi anyone? Don't think the game has changed that much in 5 years.

In today's game they have to be good at blitz pickup and not have stone hands, but you can find 5'11 220 lb types with a good first step and good vision but who lack deep speed in the middle rounds.

I think roster construction for the playoffs is a little different than the regular season.
You'll face good defenses that will take things away from you, you need options to employ feasible counters.
Which is why there are so many "unsung heroes" in the playoffs and SB.

 

[Cody Webster]

I'll watch the TV broadcast possibly tonight if I don't fall asleep but any thoughts out there about the hit on DeVonta along the sideline on the first drive where the defender used his helmet?

They made no mention of it on the broadcast, other than him taking a big hit

 

[achdumeingute]

The false start on Seumalo probably the biggest play of the game.

It's hard to isolate one specific moment. There were quite a few.

I'll watch the TV broadcast possibly tonight if I don't fall asleep but any thoughts out there about the hit on DeVonta along the sideline on the first drive where the defender used his helmet?

It was, a penalty IMO. Lead with the crown.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Big backs have value, Blount and Ajayi anyone? Don't think the game has changed that much in 5 years.

In today's game they have to be good at blitz pickup and not have stone hands, but you can find 5'11 220 lb types with a good first step and good vision but who lack deep speed in the middle rounds.

Blount and Ajayi weren't cloud of dust types. They were physical bigger backs that could still turn the corner before the injuries hit. And yes, the game has changed quite a bit in what teams want from RBs in the last 5 years. There really wasn't much room out there for the running game in general. A better back might have gotten a little more yardage. But just a little. A different archetype has no relation to how much room the OL creates or how KC players decide whether or not to crash on a play. And we know most rushing yardage comes from blocking and schemes.

Miles Sanders is also 5'11" 212 lbs. If you want to die on an 8 pound hill, that's your call.

How many RPOs did they run last night while we're at it? Since you brought it up as a major problem. And how many Read Options? Or we don't care about those, just the RPOs?

 

[landsbergfan]

I am sad they lost a winnable game. Let my kids stay up to watch and it ruined their night which is an important step in becoming a Philly fan

 

[JojoTheWhale]

My biggest complaint about Gannon's performance yesterday with the benefit of hindsight is that he didn't get the Motion pass-off communication issue fixed. Of course Andy was going to find that. Kellen Moore dialed it up whenever he needed it.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The Eagles were missing Jordan Howard yesterday, IMO.

 

[Young Sandwich]

I am sad they lost a winnable game. Let my kids stay up to watch and it ruined their night which is an important step in becoming a Philly fan

It was pretty cool to watch my non-sports-loving-kids get stoked on the game. My soon to be 3 year old daughter would randomly bust out the fight song all week and my 6 year old dude spent like 2 straight hours drawing/coloring Eagles stuff yesterday. They have been initiated.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The Eagles were missing Jordan Howard yesterday, IMO.

If only Leonard Weaver was healthy, I think this was a win.

(Shitposting is an excellent coping mechanism.)

 

[Halladay]

I do agree they need to upgrade on Quez but I think their first few picks should be defensively.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I do agree they need to upgrade on Quez but I think their first few picks should be defensively.

The question is how much talent equity you're willing to give up to make that the case. If you get to 10 and you have a WR and a CB at the top of your board both rated similarly, most people will agree with that approach. What if you get to 10 with a WR you have rated as a top 5ish pick still available and your first defensive players all have mid-1st grades?

I would argue that going against your board is the worst mistake you can make because it should be the easiest to avoid. You already put in months of work to make that decision and now you're lighting it on fire.

 

[Chinatown88]

The question is how much talent equity you're willing to give up to make that the case. If you get to 10 and you have a WR and a CB at the top of your board both rated similarly, most people will agree with that approach. What if you get to 10 with a WR you have rated as a top 5ish pick still available and your first defensive players all have mid-1st grades?

I would argue that going against your board is the worst mistake you can make because it should be the easiest to avoid. You already put in months of work to make that decision and now you're lighting it on fire.

PFF draft guide is out and I'm tempted.

 

[Halladay]

The question is how much talent equity you're willing to give up to make that the case. If you get to 10 and you have a WR and a CB at the top of your board both rated similarly, most people will agree with that approach. What if you get to 10 with a WR you have rated as a top 5ish pick still available and your first defensive players all have mid-1st grades?

I would argue that going against your board is the worst mistake you can make because it should be the easiest to avoid. You already put in months of work to make that decision and now you're lighting it on fire.

I would probably trade down from 10 tbh. Though it is an interesting question to ponder.

 

[deadhead]

You have a draft, not just a first rd pick.

And always go with BPA, but that leaves a lot of flexibility, though more down in the draft.
At the top of the draft, the tiers (groups of players you rate as equal in value) are going to be small, as you move down the board those groups get larger. In a larger group, odds are a number of players will match needs.

Need should only be employed to break ties, that is, if the CB and WR are ranked equally at 10, you take the CB, if both are mid-round value, you trade down if possible.

Even the top rookies rarely start until midway into their rookie seasons, the majority of your draft picks "redshirt" that first season at the back of the roster, and many late round picks on the PS.

So "need" is really a looking forward approach (2024 to 2026) - you should have patched most of your holes coming out of free agency and know who on your roster is ready to step up and replace a player you've lost.

 

[JoemAvs]

Maybe its just me but there is no WR I am even remotely interested in at #10 in this draft from what I have seen so far.
#30 is a different story but given how deep this draft is at CB and DE, odds are I won't like any WR much more than the CB/DE options at that spot either...

#3 WR is a need (but not a giant one and not one that needs to be adressed at all cost) but not one that needs to be adressed early. If they want to continue to invest heavily in the offense, I'd rather pick the top tackle in the draft (there is a decent chance that no OT goes in the top9 this year) and be done with it .

Most of all I want to trade down, though.