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Halladay said:
I'm sure there are some players on the Niners would have acted like they win the game had they scored a touchdown resulting in a 15 yard penalty 😂.
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Some Niners player: "We want to go down and score first. You score a touchdown, you win."

Fred Warner: "No, both teams get an opportunity."

Actual conversation immediately before the coin toss, haha
 
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philly_28 said:
Some Niners player: "We want to go down and score first. You score a touchdown, you win."

Fred Warner: "No, both teams get an opportunity."

Actual conversation immediately before the coin toss, haha
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What's funny is, this rule was basically made to prevent a player like Mahomes from being able to march down the field and end the game in one shot.

Niners tactically botched it big time.
 
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wankstifier said:
If the first team to receive scores a touchdown, should they go for two or one?
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I would just set the tone and take the extra point and put the ball in the other team’s court. If they get the TD and want to go for a ballsy win, that’s their tough decision. I get teams “want to play to win” but you also don’t want to open yourself up to an easy loss. I do feel like these questions though depend on the teams and the way the game has gone
 
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Henry Miller said:
I would just set the tone and take the extra point and put the ball in the other team’s court. If they get the TD and want to go for a ballsy win, that’s their tough decision. I get teams “want to play to win” but you also don’t want to open yourself up to an easy loss. I do feel like these questions though depend on the teams and the way the game has gone
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Right there with you, I'd kick it as well. You then have a whole drive to try to keep the other team out of the endzone. If they score and kick as well, you can go down, score again and win it. If they go for two (like you said, a rather ballsy decision that surely not all coaches will make), you have a 50/50 shot of winning the game right there.

Not making the 2 points just feels like giving the opponent too much of an advantage when the pressure not to make any mistakes in their drive should be on them.
 
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I'm confused. Did the 49ers make a mistake or is this just a story because it's funny that the players didn't know the rules?
 
wankstifier said:
I'm confused. Did the 49ers make a mistake or is this just a story because it's funny that the players didn't know the rules?
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There's a bit of game theory going on here with the rule changes that allow both teams an opportunity to score.

Not knowing the rules in itself is a really bad look but at it's core it comes down to game theory.

Shanahan said himself that they wanted the ball first because that would mean that they'd get the ball with the third possession with you score and you win. The only problem is the Niners didn't score a touchdown in their first possession which rendered all of that void.

The Chiefs also said after the game that had the Niners scored a TD and the Chiefs did also they would have went for two to win the game then and there.

I don't know what the actual best decision in that situation is but Mahomes is hard enough to stop with three downs, why give him four?
 
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wankstifier said:
I'm confused. Did the 49ers make a mistake or is this just a story because it's funny that the players didn't know the rules?
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These situations don't come up very often but, even generally, yes the 49ers made a mistake. Some of them clearly didn't know the rules, which is bad enough.

The game was almost certain to end on the second OT possession. Had SF punted, KC drives to kick a FG. Had SF kicked a FG, KC drives to score a TD (actual event). Had SF scored a TD, KC drives to score a TD and then goes for 2.

The only way the OT goes beyond two possessions is if both teams punt or turn the ball over (on downs or otherwise).
 
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What is Purdy’s record in leading comebacks? I can see Shanahan not trusting him to be able to do that against KC. Better for SF to take the ball and try to get ahead rather than playing from behind?
 
wankstifier said:
I'm confused. Did the 49ers make a mistake or is this just a story because it's funny that the players didn't know the rules?
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Pretty much. No matter what, Shanahan put the game in Mahomes' hands basically. And that's one of the worst ideas possible if you want to be meta about it.

To be fair, Shanahan getting the ball 1st may have been the correct move against nearly any other QB...just not against Mahomes in that spot. Especially if you only kick a Field Goal on your possession.
 
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The SF defense had largely played well enough through the game that I can buy an argument for Shanny to take the ball first.

Not saying that's what I would have done, but I can see the path one would make to go that route. I still think the more inexcusable aspect is that SF as a whole didn't understand the new rules. They were learning it at the same time Ice Spice was. KC, by contrast, had devoted time to understanding them and having a gameplan for it.

I still can't wait for Mahomes to be knocked off his pedestal though.
 
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RockLobster said:
The SF defense had largely played well enough through the game that I can buy an argument for Shanny to take the ball first.

Not saying that's what I would have done, but I can see the path one would make to go that route. I still think the more inexcusable aspect is that SF as a whole didn't understand the new rules. They were learning it at the same time Ice Spice was. KC, by contrast, had devoted time to understanding them and having a gameplan for it.

I still can't wait for Mahomes to be knocked off his pedestal though.
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For sure - I don't think Shanahan was nuts to make that decision. Just happened to be the really wrong guy to gamble against when you give him the ball for the final drive.
 
BrindamoursNose said:
What's funny is, this rule was basically made to prevent a player like Mahomes from being able to march down the field and end the game in one shot.

Niners tactically botched it big time.
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The more I think about it, did they really botch it?

I mean they botched it by only getting a FG, yes. But come on we all damn well knew that Mahomes was going to score a TD that drive. That's basically a given. So the only chance that SF had to win was to get the ball first, score a TD, and then get at least a FG on the next drive.

I guess the only thing that could have worked for SF was to defer to KC first and pray they don't go for 2 when they score the TD, only to themselves get the 2pt conversion when they score. Because otherwise, you give the ball back to Mahomes knowing any score wins.
 
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Svechhammer said:
The more I think about it, did they really botch it?

I mean they botched it by only getting a FG, yes. But come on we all damn well knew that Mahomes was going to score a TD that drive. That's basically a given. So the only chance that SF had to win was to get the ball first, score a TD, and then get at least a FG on the next drive.

I guess the only thing that could have worked for SF was to defer to KC first and pray they don't go for 2 when they score the TD, only to themselves get the 2pt conversion when they score. Because otherwise, you give the ball back to Mahomes knowing any score wins.
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Nah they botched it. Expecting to score a TD & 2XP then stopping Mahomes from doing the same thing is a tall-order.

But in the end, it was a tactical error but not what I'd say is a giant blunder. They lost because they just aren't as good - and that's okay.
 
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Hollywood Cannon said:
There's a bit of game theory going on here with the rule changes that allow both teams an opportunity to score.

Not knowing the rules in itself is a really bad look but at it's core it comes down to game theory.

Shanahan said himself that they wanted the ball first because that would mean that they'd get the ball with the third possession with you score and you win. The only problem is the Niners didn't score a touchdown in their first possession which rendered all of that void.

The Chiefs also said after the game that had the Niners scored a TD and the Chiefs did also they would have went for two to win the game then and there.

I don't know what the actual best decision in that situation is but Mahomes is hard enough to stop with three downs, why give him four?
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Worth noting, the niners defense was the last defense on the field in regulation, so giving them time to rest before putting them immediately back on the field could have been a factor.
 
No matter what SF did they were going to be judged in hindsight if they lost. They go for it on 4th and fail, all KC needs is a FG to win. It would be a massive gut punch if they failed the 4th down instead of a FG and stopped the chiefs on the next possession but lost the game eventually

Basically it is always better to have the ball 2nd to have a clear objective
 
I've largely stayed out of this, but if you're going to attack this as a problem with any degree of seriousness, you need to decide how much of a favorite or dog you are in the game. The two teams involved are not in a vacuum. Extending the game favors better teams.

wankstifier said:
If the first team to receive scores a touchdown, should they go for two or one?
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The same goes for this. The more of a dog you are, the more you should shade toward going for 2. There's also a band of relative equilibrium where both options are defensible.
 
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So I've been reading for 4 days now that "the 49ers TD (CMC) shouldn't have counted since they had an ineligible man downfield."

Finally watched the highlights and specifically looked for it. What a load of crap! When Jennings throws the ball the lineman is nowhere near the line of scrimmage! When CMC starts running after the catch, sure, he's 3-4 yards downfield but that doesn't matter at all at that point.

Have people gone this insane? Making up shit or saying just plain wrong stuff because they have no idea what they're talking about?
 
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