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Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc. [The Final 2022, First 2023 Edition]

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Seems it only effects certain players, Lycksell scoring a ppg, Desnoyers having a great season, Foerster made steady progress as did Attard, Ginning playing better than he did in 250 games in the SHL.
 
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deadhead said:
Seems it only effects certain players, Lycksell scoring a ppg, Desnoyers having a great season, Foerster made steady progress as did Attard, Ginning playing better than he did in 250 games in the SHL.
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they are older more seasoned players. Would expect them to play better no?

Meltzer has said the flyers do not view Ollie as an everyday NHL player. More a depth guy. Time will tell.
 
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You didn't see any of those games. :laugh:
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I'll take @Appleyard's word on that. He commented on Ginning a month or so ago.
Better doesn't mean "good," but good enough to maybe have a future on the third pair.

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they are older more seasoned players. Would expect them to play better no?

Meltzer has said the flyers do not view Ollie as an everyday NHL player. More a depth guy. Time will tell.
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Watching Lycksell so far at the NHL level, he hasn't stood out to me the way Desnoyers and Foerster did.
He may be a "tweener," not physical enough for an energy line, not skilled enough for a scoring line.

Both Desnoyers and Foerster made significant strides in the AHL this season, on the other hand, Wisdom regressed. Some of this may simply be on the player. All the coaching in the world won't make Marody a NHL caliber skater.
 
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I'll take @Appleyard's word on that. He commented on Ginning a month or so ago.
Better doesn't mean "good," but good enough to maybe have a future on the third pair.


Watching Lycksell so far at the NHL level, he hasn't stood out to me the way Desnoyers and Foerster did.
He may be a "tweener," not physical enough for an energy line, not skilled enough for a scoring line.

Both Desnoyers and Foerster made significant strides in the AHL this season, on the other hand, Wisdom regressed. Some of this may simply be on the player. All the coaching in the world won't make Marody a NHL caliber skater.
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Has he been for lack of a better word "right" on any Euros since they have come over? Who has he pumped up that hasn't panned out? Or vice versa?
 
deadhead said:
I'll take @Appleyard's word on that. He commented on Ginning a month or so ago.
Better doesn't mean "good," but good enough to maybe have a future on the third pair.


Watching Lycksell so far at the NHL level, he hasn't stood out to me the way Desnoyers and Foerster did.
He may be a "tweener," not physical enough for an energy line, not skilled enough for a scoring line.

Both Desnoyers and Foerster made significant strides in the AHL this season, on the other hand, Wisdom regressed. Some of this may simply be on the player. All the coaching in the world won't make Marody a NHL caliber skater.
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Lycksell came up and got put on bottom lines with next to no ice time . Forester and Desnoyers came up and were put on PP , PK and played just about double the ice time .

You can make a player better than they really are or worse just by ice time usage , line mates etc... It will go right into a players confidence and will allow for them to get into a flow instead of sitting for long periods then expected to go .

I have no problem with what they have done Forester and Desnoyers but Lycksell has gotten screwed .
 
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Except I said it was based on what Appleyard wrote. But that wouldn't fit your agenda.
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My agenda? Don’t make me laugh. I have opinions, not agendas. You, my friend, have agendas.

This Appleyard, right? From last summer:

Ginning is just not very good. Even in SHL.

Yeh, he can skate a bit and has okay hands...

but he gets abused far too much even on big ice with his gap and has awful decision making ability.

David Bernhardt was well ahead of where he was at same age at both ends of ice and did not get a contract.

If he were a 5th-6th round pick I doubt they would even consider signing him. They would be better served using the contract spot on a Euro UFA Dman who is a year older.

Ginning is an SHL bottom pairing guy. He has been better in playoffs than regular season, but also got very lucky.

20-21: 8/10 in Corsi on D in season. (45.6%)
20-21: 6/7 in Corsi on D in playoffs. (39%)
21-22: 6/7 in Corsi on D in season. (46.4%)
21-22: 6/6 in Corsi on D in playoffs. (47.6%)

On a really good team in Farjestad.
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I’m sure his exact phrasing was murkier and less complimentary than you’re making out. Even if he said Ginning has played better than his SHL tenure, while a year older, that’s just damning with faint praise.

Your agenda, hyping up Ginning bi-weekly (going on long before the +/- talk), is to pray that a horrible player proves the Hive wrong, no more no less. There’s zero conviction or evaluating. You’re simply the tribal leader of the Island of Misfit Players. Shall we ask Appleyard about Mestis scoring again with your other bi-weekly cause, Tuomaala?
 
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"Last summer?" The point was about how Ginning has improved in the AHL.
Nor have I claimed anything more than his upside being a 3rd pair D-man.
But he has looked solid, and his +/- is so much better than any other D-man (behind the same goalies), that there's probably something more than luck involved.
 
deadhead said:
"Last summer?" The point was about how Ginning has improved in the AHL.
Nor have I claimed anything more than his upside being a 3rd pair D-man.
But he has looked solid, and his +/- is so much better than any other D-man (behind the same goalies), that there's probably something more than luck involved.
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some just want to never see him in the NHL is my guess.
 
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