Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc. [Mid-April Edition]

[CutOnDime97]

 

[BernieParent]

Expectations, a D-man picked in the 20s is good value if he ends up a 2nd pair guy.

Even though there is truth in this statement, there are two issues I have with this thought process. First is a drafting mindset that accepts mid-pairing / middle-6 players in the first round of a draft because it hobbles the hard work of finding the diamonds in the rough, which we know this FO has identified as a key part of their rebuilding strategy. Second, there is a serious risk of these evaluations remaining indelibly on prospects, resulting in them being groomed for this specific outcome. For a developmentally delayed organization, it is way too easy to self-fulfill your scouting prophecies by force-fitting prospects into what you expect/wish them to be.

 

[gertbfrobe16]

Instead of roll they should have said grind.

 

[PDX Flyer]

What happen to UVM hockey? They used to have a great program. A kid I grew up with played on the same line with St. Louis.. LeClair was a legend there

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

What happen to UVM hockey? They used to have a great program. A kid I grew up with played on the same line with St. Louis.. LeClair was a legend there

They’re not the only New England school to fall out of flavor over the years/decades. Maine & New Hampshire is up there with them too. Probably just continuous bad coaching hires which has made them irrelevant to today’s noteworthy potential recruits.

Obviously BU & BC have always been consistent recruiting juggernauts in the region but in recent years you’ve seen New England schools like Northeastern, Harvard, UMass, etc. sprout up as places that are attracting legit NHL potential recruits too.

 

[PDX Flyer]

They’re not the only New England school to fall out of flavor over the years/decades. Maine & New Hampshire is up there with them too. Probably just continuous bad coaching hires which has made them irrelevant to today’s noteworthy potential recruits.

Obviously BU & BC have always been consistent recruiting juggernauts in the region but in recent years you’ve seen New England schools like Northeastern, Harvard, UMass, etc. sprout up as places that are attracting legit NHL potential recruits too.

Thanks for the response. I’ve been out of touch living in Oregon. I guess it goes in cycles and as you eluded to, coaching .

 

[macleish1974]

What's going on with Frost's contract???????????????

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Sweden and Finland can never again be trusted when it comes to defensemen.

Really? Remind me where Kimmo Timonen and Victor Hedman played before coming to the NHL?

 

[Striiker]

Really? Remind where Kimmo Timonen and Victor Hedman played before coming to the NHL?

Even when you already have to have been with them in the NHL throughout that without even really being where it is there?

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

What happen to UVM hockey? They used to have a great program. A kid I grew up with played on the same line with St. Louis.. LeClair was a legend there

Never recovered from the loss to Princeton in the ECAC tournament.

Actually, the move from the ECAC to Hockey East hasn't been kind to the Catamounts.

The gap may widen with things like the transfer portal and NIL contracts.

The next few years will be very interesting for college hockey; possibly widening the gap between the haves and have nots.

 

[TheKingPin]

Honestly, Hagg taught me more about hockey than anyone else has in my 35+ years of being a fan. Having never watched him before his NHL debut, I simply assumed we were getting an efficient top 4 defender based on the reports of other people who had never watched him before his NHL debut, and the old notion that hockey guys generally know what they're doing, even if their decisions can be occasionally puzzling.

It only took a handful of games for me to realize that Hagg wasn't going to be able to hack it at this level, that he simply couldn't keep up mentally with the pace of play, and that his none of his physical attributes were going to make up for that deficit. The insistence of the hockey guys to keep running him out there then shattered the illusion that the hockey guys generally know what they're doing.

I've been lost and spitefully wandering in the wasteland of Flyers fandom ever since.

Yup the list goes on and on. Ryan Parent etc. You trust the scouts and then you watch them play one game and you know what their career will be. I don’t understand why the scouts get it wrong so often.

I’m fine with Bonk only if they tank and are getting a 1D and 1C down the line. Maybe even this draft. But that does not seem to be happening and is flawed in an ends justifying the means kind of way anyway.

 

[tnfrs]

Yup the list goes on and on. Ryan Parent etc. You trust the scouts and then you watch them play one game and you know what their career will be. I don’t understand why the scouts get it wrong so often.

I’m fine with Bonk only if they tank and are getting a 1D and 1C down the line. Maybe even this draft. But that does not seem to be happening and is flawed in an ends justifying the means kind of way anyway.

2024 draft class has a ton of defenseman, and theres a few names that will picked in the 4-10 range that have potential to be 1D so our chances are pretty good to get a solid d, i dont know how the center depth is this year after Celebrini

 

[deadhead]

At #22, Bonk is fine - at #10 he'd be a huge reach.
Once you get to the 20s, you're hoping for a middle six, 2nd pair starter, anything more and you've lucked out.
What you can't afford to do is waste picks on the Rubtsovs and JOBs of this world.

 

[Curufinwe]

 

[TheKingPin]

2024 draft class has a ton of defenseman, and theres a few names that will picked in the 4-10 range that have potential to be 1D so our chances are pretty good to get a solid d, i dont know how the center depth is this year after Celebrini

Got to hope for a top 2 pick for us next year. Then hopefully a lot of mid to late 1sts and multiple 2nds. Seems like you can get some 1D there. The Dmen drafted high never seem to be the best in the end to me. Go BPA, but hopefully it’s easy and you take your 1C with a top 2 pick next year.

 

[tnfrs]

Got to hope for a top 2 pick for us next year. Then hopefully a lot of mid to late 1sts and multiple 2nds. Seems like you can get some 1D there. The Dmen drafted high never seem to be the best in the end to me. Go BPA, but hopefully it’s easy and you take your 1C with a top 2 pick next year.

ya some top 2 picks in the next few drafts would be nice, i think with the players we have right now we're probably finishing around 5-7 again this year. the more roster players danny moves out the better our chances get. in an ideal world we can move carter and peterson plays like absolute garbage and we finish lower. but if we really wanna challenge for 1st or 2nd overall in the next few seasons we need to flip Hart and Konecny and Couturier eventually has to go by next off season. I just dont see Danny pulling the trigger all at once, if we sell the farm and dont get a 1st overall and end up with a bunch of late 1st round duds we're even worse off than before. Couple pieces will go this year, and a couple pieces will go next year

 

[wankstifier]

Gendron seems pretty slick. Nice hands, good one timer. Seems deadly on the rush. I wonder how much he's benefiting from great playmaking, though

 

[Magua]

I’m actually curious if there is any non-face punching forward in the NHL who recorded 0.32 assists/game in his ages 18-19 CHL seasons. Or even 0.4 in his age 19 season. 48 assists in 148 games is as extreme as it gets.

Obviously, that’s crude to some degree when we might have tracking data, etc. But think of the most goal tilted forwards. Even someone like Ratcliffe, barely functional as a passer, was at 0.59 assists/game (including playoffs) at age 19.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’m actually curious if there is any non-face punching forward in the NHL who recorded 0.32 assists/game in his ages 18-19 CHL seasons. Or even 0.4 in his age 19 season. 48 assists in 148 games is as extreme as it gets.

Obviously, that’s crude to some degree when we might have tracking data, etc. But think of the most goal tilted forwards. Even someone like Ratcliffe, barely functional as a passer, was at 0.59 assists/game (including playoffs) at age 19.

I'm sure it's fine

 

[wankstifier]

I hope the goalscoring works in the NHL. Feel like the Flyers haven't had a good cherry picker in a while

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

It would be something if we had a Cy Young type forward. Say 25 G 3 A lol

 

[deadhead]

I’m actually curious if there is any non-face punching forward in the NHL who recorded 0.32 assists/game in his ages 18-19 CHL seasons. Or even 0.4 in his age 19 season. 48 assists in 148 games is as extreme as it gets.

Obviously, that’s crude to some degree when we might have tracking data, etc. But think of the most goal tilted forwards. Even someone like Ratcliffe, barely functional as a passer, was at 0.59 assists/game (including playoffs) at age 19.

ES 33-21, PP 21-4. Extreme PP, not so much as ES.

 

[TheKingPin]

ya some top 2 picks in the next few drafts would be nice, i think with the players we have right now we're probably finishing around 5-7 again this year. the more roster players danny moves out the better our chances get. in an ideal world we can move carter and peterson plays like absolute garbage and we finish lower. but if we really wanna challenge for 1st or 2nd overall in the next few seasons we need to flip Hart and Konecny and Couturier eventually has to go by next off season. I just dont see Danny pulling the trigger all at once, if we sell the farm and dont get a 1st overall and end up with a bunch of late 1st round duds we're even worse off than before. Couple pieces will go this year, and a couple pieces will go next year

For sure. Have to get lucky too. Put yourself in the best spot but if we finish top 5 that would be something I’d take.

 

[tnfrs]

I dunno if this will work, but here's an interesting list from some random on twitter

 

[Magua]

ES 33-21, PP 21-4. Extreme PP, not so much as ES.

And he had 8 ES assists last year. 21 ES assists in 63 games isn't exactly a whole lot either at age 19 (another extreme differential guy, Ratcliffe, had 24 ES assists in 65 games, and we know how his story went). Your favorite thing is subtracting PP points from players who will play on the PP in the NHL (like Frost), so it isn't exactly helping his case, as a marginal prospect.

I think it's a fair statistical musing: how many NHL players had similar assist rates? I'm legitimately wondering what the most extreme outliers look like.