Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc. [Mid-April Edition]

[Beef Invictus]

Snowden seems to have a pretty good pedigree, coming from the Marlies and previously a Kelly Cup winning head coach with the Newfoundland Growlers (ECHL) after stepping in as head coach mid-season. Dare I say that this looks like a decent hire? And maybe, just maybe, a replacement for Laperrière?

If anyone wants to have some fun, you can try to stretch his one year playing for Reading into a connection to Lombardi.

 

[Curufinwe]

Possible defense:

Andrae-Belpedio
Mete-Attard
Ginning-Grans
Zmolek-Samson
Millman

 

[BernieParent]

If anyone wants to have some fun, you can try to stretch his one year playing for Reading into a connection to Lombardi.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Imagine if they passed on Bonk and took Perrault/Cristobal and didn't waste 2 high picks on goalies

To me, you have to look at the draft as a whole. I was mildly ticked about Bonk over Perreault until they got Barkey and Ciernik later. Looking at the draft as the sum of the parts instead of individual ingredients I like what they did. They gambled that some undersized skill forwards they liked would be available later in the draft. They were correct. They believed that the defensemen they really liked wouldn't be there when they next picked. Based on the run on defensemen that took place, it seems like they were correct.

As far as the goalies go, I'm not gonna doubt them when they are clearly top 5 in the league in assessing goalies (if not tops overall). From Hart to Ersson to Fedotov (he might never come over, but they still identified an NHL talent in the 7th round) to Kolosov, it's obvious they know what they're doing there. Which is probably the only position you can say that about when it comes to our scouts/drafting history lol.

Also, I think Bonk is going to be better than a lot of people expect. He doesn't have #1 potential, but a shutdown #2 defenseman? That's something we haven't had in forever. And god have we needed it.

 

[thedjpd]

To me, you have to look at the draft as a whole. I was mildly ticked about Bonk over Perreault until they got Barkey and Ciernik later. Looking at the draft as the sum of the parts instead of individual ingredients I like what they did. They gambled that some undersized skill forwards they liked would be available later in the draft. They were correct. They believed that the defensemen they really liked wouldn't be there when they next picked. Based on the run on defensemen that took place, it seems like they were correct.

As far as the goalies go, I'm not gonna doubt them when they are clearly top 5 in the league in assessing goalies (if not tops overall). From Hart to Ersson to Fedotov (he might never come over, but they still identified an NHL talent in the 7th round) to Kolosov, it's obvious they know what they're doing there. Which is probably the only position you can say that about when it comes to our scouts/drafting history lol.

Also, I think Bonk is going to be better than a lot of people expect. He doesn't have #1 potential, but a shutdown #2 defenseman? That's something we haven't had in forever. And god have we needed it.

Agreed on Bonk, but we can’t say he doesn’t have #1 potential. Lots of players with high IQ exceed their initial rated potential, especially on D. May not be likely he reaches it, but smart two way D are exactly what become those defensemen. And if he is a #2, he’d be a great partner for York or Andrea (who I think people are sleeping on - he’s better than York, who most people agree has top pairing potential.)

 

[Magua]

I spent almost 2 weeks watching Bonk games after they drafted him, giving him a fair shot, and nothing about him, if he wasn't a Flyers pick, says #2 potential to me. I was contented enough in my watches that he hit some baseline things for me with/without the puck, athletically, and so on to see NHL potential. He's in the system already, so I'll take that. If I thought he was an absolute dud I'd say so. But there's little I can reach out and grab when it comes to untapped potential or a high ceiling, and I'm already assuming growth in a couple areas. I wholeheartedly agree he's a floor pick, while emphasizing that the floor potential of any player on draft day is grossly overrated. That's a positive comment on Bonk, if you want it to be.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Agreed on Bonk, but we can’t say he doesn’t have #1 potential.

We have collectively lost our f***ing minds. I'm getting Sam Morin has #1 potential flashbacks.

May not be likely he reaches it, but smart two way D are exactly what become those defensemen.

*sign of the Cross*

 

[deadhead]

Bonk was picked later than Sanheim.
If he becomes a solid, dependable two way top 4 D-man who is the perfect partner for an undersized, offensively skilled LHD, it's good pick.
It's easier to find an offensively talented LHD than a reliable two way RHD with size.

 

[Magua]

And Bonk was picked earlier than Adam Fox, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

And Bonk was picked earlier than Adam Fox, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

Well, Michkov was picked later than JVR and Nolan Patrick, so...

 

[tnfrs]

I spent almost 2 weeks watching Bonk games after they drafted him, giving him a fair shot, and nothing about him, if he wasn't a Flyers pick, says #2 potential to me. I was contented enough in my watches that he hit some baseline things for me with/without the puck, athletically, and so on to see NHL potential. He's in the system already, so I'll take that. If I thought he was an absolute dud I'd say so. But there's little I can reach out and grab when it comes to untapped potential or a high ceiling, and I'm already assuming growth in a couple areas. I wholeheartedly agree he's a floor pick, while emphasizing that the floor potential of any player on draft day is grossly overrated. That's a positive comment on Bonk, if you want it to be.

how did dickinson look in the games you watched?

 

[deadhead]

And Bonk was picked earlier than Adam Fox, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

Expectations, a D-man picked in the 20s is good value if he ends up a 2nd pair guy.

 

[Magua]

Expectations, a D-man picked in the 20s is good value if he ends up a 2nd pair guy.

When you make a 1st round selection (and beyond), the expectation is positively impactful player. It's why I don't get too bogged down complaining about selecting a good player and missing the better player after, unless it becomes a theme, which might point to something being off in the process (e.g. not prioritizing ceiling).

But I'm not assuming at this time that Bonk is a true 2nd pair guy either. Given your *cough* criticisms of others overrating our own prospects, I think you'd understand that making that his floor is absurd. Slotting in as a solid #4 (in value, not usage) is how I envision his 80-90th percentile ceiling, which is sort of the point. Can I see it? Possibly. Can I not see it? Sure. I can write something more descriptive when the mood strikes.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I thought of Hagg as a 2nd pairing guy and was enthused about him, so that was a sharp and torturous lesson about a great many things.

 

[deadhead]

When you make a 1st round selection (and beyond), the expectation is positively impactful player. It's why I don't get too bogged down complaining about selecting a good player and missing the better player after, unless it becomes a theme, which might point to something being off in the process (e.g. not prioritizing ceiling).

But I'm not assuming at this time that Bonk is a true 2nd pair guy either. Given your *cough* criticisms of others overrating our own prospects, I think you'd understand that making that his floor is absurd. Slotting in as a solid #4 (in value, not usage) is how I envision his 80-90th percentile ceiling, which is sort of the point. Can I see it? Possibly. Can I not see it? Sure. I can write something more descriptive when the mood strikes.

Not assuming anything, just observing that if he's a solid 2nd pair D-man, as a good sized RHD he'd be more than worth #22 in any draft.

 

[mja]

I thought of Hagg as a 2nd pairing guy and was enthused about him, so that was a sharp and torturous lesson about a great many things.

Honestly, Hagg taught me more about hockey than anyone else has in my 35+ years of being a fan. Having never watched him before his NHL debut, I simply assumed we were getting an efficient top 4 defender based on the reports of other people who had never watched him before his NHL debut, and the old notion that hockey guys generally know what they're doing, even if their decisions can be occasionally puzzling.

It only took a handful of games for me to realize that Hagg wasn't going to be able to hack it at this level, that he simply couldn't keep up mentally with the pace of play, and that his none of his physical attributes were going to make up for that deficit. The insistence of the hockey guys to keep running him out there then shattered the illusion that the hockey guys generally know what they're doing.

I've been lost and spitefully wandering in the wasteland of Flyers fandom ever since.

 

[PDX Flyer]

Honestly, Hagg taught me more about hockey than anyone else has in my 35+ years of being a fan. Having never watched him before his NHL debut, I simply assumed we were getting an efficient top 4 defender based on the reports of other people who had never watched him before his NHL debut, and the old notion that hockey guys generally know what they're doing, even if their decisions can be occasionally puzzling.

It only took a handful of games for me to realize that Hagg wasn't going to be able to hack it at this level, that he simply couldn't keep up mentally with the pace of play, and that his none of his physical attributes were going to make up for that deficit. The insistence of the hockey guys to keep running him out there then shattered the illusion that the hockey guys generally know what they're doing.

I've been lost and spitefully wandering in the wasteland of Flyers fandom ever since.

Kevin Marshall was that guy for me. They made such a big deal about trading up to get him. It took about half a period to realize he sucked

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Honestly, Hagg taught me more about hockey than anyone else has in my 35+ years of being a fan. Having never watched him before his NHL debut, I simply assumed we were getting an efficient top 4 defender based on the reports of other people who had never watched him before his NHL debut, and the old notion that hockey guys generally know what they're doing, even if their decisions can be occasionally puzzling.

It only took a handful of games for me to realize that Hagg wasn't going to be able to hack it at this level, that he simply couldn't keep up mentally with the pace of play, and that his none of his physical attributes were going to make up for that deficit. The insistence of the hockey guys to keep running him out there then shattered the illusion that the hockey guys generally know what they're doing.

I've been lost and spitefully wandering in the wasteland of Flyers fandom ever since.

Hagg and Risto.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Any word on whether Jacob Gaucher sticks with the Phantoms after a strong rookie season in Reading?

 

[mr4tno]

Any word on whether Jacob Gaucher sticks with the Phantoms after a strong rookie season in Reading?

It all depends. What does his scouting report say? If there is any semblance of skating ability, quickness or skill, then NO. However, if he is gritty and gives "effort", then IP will have on the first line alongside of "never to be in the NHL" Wilson.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Hagg and Risto.

How many times do you think Chuck watched this clip right before he made the trade? 5? 10? 20?

 

[Striiker]

I thought of Hagg as a 2nd pairing guy and was enthused about him, so that was a sharp and torturous lesson about a great many things.

Sweden and Finland can never again be trusted when it comes to defensemen.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Possible defense:

Andrae-Belpedio
Mete-Attard
Ginning-Grans
Zmolek-Samson
Millman

Are you low on Grans?

 

[Dux917]

 

[LegionOfDoom91]