Peterborough Petes 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

[OMG67]

What was Lardis’ pt production in the top 9 of the Petes with little to no PP time?
On the Steelheads, Villeneuve would be top two LW or top two C.

In fairness, the steelheads are pretty deep down the middle. Villeneuve would be the #2 centre on Ottawa without question. If Villeneuve were available for real (I doubt he is), if I were Ottawa, I would pull out all the stops to acquire him. He is a prototypical 67’s player. He’d fit in from day one. I would trade Mews for him straight up with zero questions asked. If it were a vet for young player type trade, I would trade Stonehouse, Barlas or Dever, one of the 18 or 19 year old D-Men not named Mayich as well as a couple picks And I wouldn’t even give it a second thought.

 

[Section5Petes]

I would like to see the reaction to Flint acquiring Beck & McCoy.

That's the most random destination but I like it

 

[OMG67]

I would like to see the reaction to Flint acquiring Beck & McCoy.

That would be a shocker.

 

[Petes1987]

If the Beck deal ends up involving an ‘07, Sudbury and Kitchener are both solid options. To me, those are the two most likely options.

I find it interesting that when I bring up Beck’s lack of offensive production this season, he is defended because of his intangibles. I mention Villeneuve’s intangibles and they are ignored and the offensive stat line is highlighted. Petes fans can’t have it both ways. You can’t on one hand suggest Beck is elite and deserves an elite return in spite the lack of elite offence and then downgrade a prospect that is already showing many of the same attributes as Beck as a 17 year old. I get it. We differ on the valuation of Villeneuve. Not a big deal. But, at the same time, I stand by my assessment that many Petes fans are raising the bar for Beck so high that they will be disappointed at the end result trade.

You are incorrect when you say Owen Beck is not producing. After a slow start where he only had one point in his first 6 games he had in his last 16 games had 12 goals and 10 assists for 22 points. Which when projected over a 68 game schedule is 51 goals and 43 assists for 94 points. That is elite offence.

 

[dirty12]

The Petes may trade Jonathan Melee if they get a good offer for him which includes a player and a draft pick but I am certain they will not trade Chase Lefebvre. The Petes are not going to trade all their veteran players for whatever they can get for them. It is not fire sale. Peterborough cannot trade a forward without acquiring another one as they only have 12 forwards on their roster. They could trade a defenceman for draft picks as they have eight.

But Wilson is so good at developing, the Petes could take back …kidding, though Lefebvre to OS for a 2005-06 in and out of the line-up & a 5th is good for both the player and team?
Or, Cooke & Forgione of NB. Lots of possibilities I think.

 

[dirty12]

In fairness, the steelheads are pretty deep down the middle. Villeneuve would be the #2 centre on Ottawa without question. If Villeneuve were available for real (I doubt he is), if I were Ottawa, I would pull out all the stops to acquire him. He is a prototypical 67’s player. He’d fit in from day one. I would trade Mews for him straight up with zero questions asked. If it were a vet for young player type trade, I would trade Stonehouse, Barlas or Dever, one of the 18 or 19 year old D-Men not named Mayich as well as a couple picks And I wouldn’t even give it a second thought.

I think Karmiris is RW only for the remainder of his career. Misa is the #1 centre, interchange JVV & Villeneuve as #2 LW/C.

 

[OMG67]

You are incorrect when you say Owen Beck is not producing. After a slow start where he only had one point in his first 6 games he had in his last 16 games had 12 goals and 10 assists for 22 points. Which when projected over a 68 game schedule is 51 goals and 43 assists for 94 points. That is elite offence.

MacT produced at a 1.6 Over the full season. Wright produced at 1.49 in a “disappointing“ season and 1.85 with Windsor. Harrison, Arcuri and DelBelBelluz all over 1.20 last year.

Beck is at 1.15 this year so far. Last year he averaged out at the same.

Beck has other strong attributes BUT, if someone were to judge a player strictly on his offensive production, I don‘t think Beck comes out on the strong side of that argument. This is the point I am making when you and others make an assessment on Villeneuve’s offensive numbers as an 17 year old and ignore the other attributes.

Can you see where I am going with this? You are cherry picking one attribute to devalue one player and hype the other player. I’m suggesting it isn’t fair, nor is it logical.

 

[Stellar29]

But Wilson is so good at developing, the Petes could take back …kidding, though Lefebvre to OS for a 2005-06 in and out of the line-up & a 5th is good for both the player and team?
Or, Cooke & Forgione of NB. Lots of possibilities I think.

It's funny you suggested Lefebvre to OS as I was thinking of that myself. Attack GM Dale DeGray did an interview today and said he was looking to bring in a veteran defenseman and a depth forward. A package of Smith and Lefebvre to OS would certainly make a lot of sense. Smith is the type of player DeGray likes. Players I could see Owen Sound conceivably send back would be forward 05 Brennan or 06 Tersigni and possibly defenseman 04 Steen in addition to whatever the residual draft pick cost would be required. Tersigni being a second round selection would probably hold the most value of the mix. You'd have to ignore his stat line as he has been buried on the fourth line and used sparingly though performed well last year when playing up in the line up when the team had injury issues.

 

[Petes1987]

It's funny you suggested Lefebvre to OS as I was thinking of that myself. Attack GM Dale DeGray did an interview today and said he was looking to bring in a veteran defenseman and a depth forward. A package of Smith and Lefebvre to OS would certainly make a lot of sense. Smith is the type of player DeGray likes. Players I could see Owen Sound conceivably send back would be forward 05 Brennan or 06 Tersigni and possibly defenseman 04 Steen in addition to whatever the residual draft pick cost would be required. Tersigni being a second round selection would probably hold the most value of the mix. You'd have to ignore his stat line as he has been buried on the fourth line and used sparingly though performed well last year when playing up in the line up when the team had injury issues.

I really doubt the Petes are going to trade Chase Lefebvre. He is likely going to return next year as an overage for the Petes. There seems to be opinion amongst some fans mostly fans of other teams that the Petes are going to trade all their veteran players and tank the season. Others like myself think it will be a more measured sell. My thinking is they will trade Owen Beck and Sam Mayer. They will likely get a 16 or 17 year old forward and a 17 or 18 old defenceman plus multiple draft picks. They will listen to offers for Jonathan Melee, Donovan McCoy and Konnor Smith but will only trade them for the right price. In regards to Konnor Smith the Petes likely will want a 17 or 18 defenceman plus a draft pick or two.

 

[Stellar29]

I really doubt the Petes are going to trade Chase Lefebvre. He is likely going to return next year as an overage for the Petes. There seems to be opinion amongst some fans mostly fans of other teams that the Petes are going to trade all their veteran players and tank the season. Others like myself think it will be a more measured sell. My thinking is they will trade Owen Beck and Sam Mayer. They will likely get a 16 or 17 year old forward and a 17 or 18 old defenceman plus multiple draft picks. They will listen to offers for Jonathan Melee, Donovan McCoy and Konnor Smith but will only trade them for the right price. In regards to Konnor Smith the Petes likely will want a 17 or 18 defenceman plus a draft pick or two.

That's a pretty narrow minded approach to the trade deadline. I would think a smart GM has a shopping list of what they need to get and don't specifically hunt a vet D out for a young D in type trade specifically. It's about the sum of the transactions if you're going to sell, you take the best deal possible. If that means taking a young forward for a vet D or a young D for a vet forward because they are the best players available on offer then it would be foolish not to do it. If you're making multiple transactions look for the other items on your shopping list in another deal.

 

[OMG67]

That's a pretty narrow minded approach to the trade deadline. I would think a smart GM has a shopping list of what they need to get and don't specifically hunt a vet D out for a young D in type trade specifically. It's about the sum of the transactions if you're going to sell, you take the best deal possible. If that means taking a young forward for a vet D or a young D for a vet forward because they are the best players available on offer then it would be foolish not to do it. If you're making multiple transactions look for the other items on your shopping list in another deal.

100%

For a team like the Petes that may need a bit of everything, take what you can get if the overall value make sense. I don’t think the Petes can walk away from any deal because the pieces aren’t exactly what they are looking for. If the value is right, do the deal. They will likely have holes to fill in the offseason through the Import draft and Priority selection. Take best available deal based on value.

 

[dirty12]

I really doubt the Petes are going to trade Chase Lefebvre. He is likely going to return next year as an overage for the Petes. There seems to be opinion amongst some fans mostly fans of other teams that the Petes are going to trade all their veteran players and tank the season. Others like myself think it will be a more measured sell. My thinking is they will trade Owen Beck and Sam Mayer. They will likely get a 16 or 17 year old forward and a 17 or 18 old defenceman plus multiple draft picks. They will listen to offers for Jonathan Melee, Donovan McCoy and Konnor Smith but will only trade them for the right price. In regards to Konnor Smith the Petes likely will want a 17 or 18 defenceman plus a draft pick or two.

Even if the Petes are fortunate enough to trade Mayer & Robertson and the east division to one of Ottawa or Kingston, the Petes cannot really keep all of McCoy, Meele, LeFebvre, and Smith.
As OAs; K.Smith is worth a 5th, maybe 4th and LeFebvre 6th, maybe waivers. Why not take a 12th F or 7th D plus 5th, 6th picks? As mentioned, the Petes have holes in all of the ‘05, ‘06, ‘07 classes. The Petes cannot be ‘competetive’ if they cannot fill the roster with OHL ready players. Those extra 5ths, 6ths can get depth players.

 

[dirty12]

It's funny you suggested Lefebvre to OS as I was thinking of that myself. Attack GM Dale DeGray did an interview today and said he was looking to bring in a veteran defenseman and a depth forward. A package of Smith and Lefebvre to OS would certainly make a lot of sense. Smith is the type of player DeGray likes. Players I could see Owen Sound conceivably send back would be forward 05 Brennan or 06 Tersigni and possibly defenseman 04 Steen in addition to whatever the residual draft pick cost would be required. Tersigni being a second round selection would probably hold the most value of the mix. You'd have to ignore his stat line as he has been buried on the fourth line and used sparingly though performed well last year when playing up in the line up when the team had injury issues.

While I think NB will want a versatile middle six forward, I can see some similarities with NB & OS. It is possible they end up competing for the same forward and defence man …LeFebvre & Smith

Petes1987:
I am not suggesting the Petes are bold faced liars that will not do what you believe. I think Oake keeps an open mind to the possibility of achieving the best case scenario. That is a one year rebuild equal to Hamilton last season.

 

[Petes]

Even if the Petes are fortunate enough to trade Mayer & Robertson and the east division to one of Ottawa or Kingston, the Petes cannot really keep all of McCoy, Meele, LeFebvre, and Smith. As OAs; K.Smith is worth a 5th, maybe 4th and LeFebvre 6th, maybe waivers. Why not take a 12th F or 7th D plus 5th, 6th picks? As mentioned, the Petes have holes in all of the ‘05, ‘06, ‘07 classes. The Petes cannot be ‘competetive’ if they cannot fill the roster with OHL ready players. Those extra 5ths, 6ths can get depth players.

Smith will go pro next season

 

[PuckStop75]

While I think NB will want a versatile middle six forward, I can see some similarities with NB & OS. It is possible they end up competing for the same forward and defence man …LeFebvre & Smith

Petes1987:
I am not suggesting the Petes are bold faced liars that will not do what you believe. I think Oake keeps an open mind to the possibility of achieving the best case scenario. That is a one year rebuild equal to Hamilton last season.

NB is barely playing 500 hockey at the moment in a very weak conference, they may shuffle some players around in an effort to get younger but one of the objectives will be to restore some draft picks back to the cupboard and narrow in on their OA's for next year. They simply do not have the picks to add players that will move the bar on the season, and they will not want it to become an annual thing to trade players so that they can replace the picks they are missing.

Oke is a seasoned OHL GM who is capable of saying whatever fits his narrative today and completing changing it again tomorrow. Maybe not a bold face lie but certainly an incomplete variation of the truth. For Oke it is about being in the best position possible to negotiate with other GM's and maintaining the illusion of a competitive atmosphere for the team and fans. Just like NB the objective is to return picks and get younger, in doing this they will stay competitive which for most GM's in the league means staying comfortably in a playoff positions. In a perfect world they finish the season playing 0.500 hockey in a 5th or 6th position.

 

[OMG67]

NB is barely playing 500 hockey at the moment in a very weak conference, they may shuffle some players around in an effort to get younger but one of the objectives will be to restore some draft picks back to the cupboard and narrow in on their OA's for next year. They simply do not have the picks to add players that will move the bar on the season, and they will not want it to become an annual thing to trade players so that they can replace the picks they are missing.

Oke is a seasoned OHL GM who is capable of saying whatever fits his narrative today and completing changing it again tomorrow. Maybe not a bold face lie but certainly an incomplete variation of the truth. For Oke it is about being in the best position possible to negotiate with other GM's and maintaining the illusion of a competitive atmosphere for the team and fans. Just like NB the objective is to return picks and get younger, in doing this they will stay competitive which for most GM's in the league means staying comfortably in a playoff positions. In a perfect world they finish the season playing 0.500 hockey in a 5th or 6th position.

North Bay receives a lot of picks through expiring conditions at the end of the season. Their position isn’t nearly as bad as it looks. I still think you are correct. They will likely sell, not buy but just want to point out their picks aren’t in as bad a spot as it appears.

 

[PuckStop75]

North Bay receives a lot of picks through expiring conditions at the end of the season. Their position isn’t nearly as bad as it looks. I still think you are correct. They will likely sell, not buy but just want to point out their picks aren’t in as bad a spot as it appears.

Ya, Fantilli deal must have sounded like a good idea at the time but certainly tied their hands last year and this year.

 

[OMG67]

Ya, Fantilli deal must have sounded like a good idea at the time but certainly tied their hands last year and this year.

They have three separate deals including the Fantilli deal that have valuable picks being returned.

They get a 3rd and 5th back for Zito
They get a 3rd and 5th back for Hislop
**Both were tied to their OA seasons and neither will play an OA season.
The two 2nds come back at the end of this year related to Fantilli

So, they do have a lot of pick capital returning. They don’t necessarily need to focus on replenishing picks. I still feel they will trade DiVin and maybe one of their OA forwards but it isn’t a necessity if the deals aren’t right.

 

[PuckStop75]

They have three separate deals including the Fantilli deal that have valuable picks being returned.

They get a 3rd and 5th back for Zito
They get a 3rd and 5th back for Hislop
**Both were tied to their OA seasons and neither will play an OA season.
The two 2nds come back at the end of this year related to Fantilli

So, they do have a lot of pick capital returning. They don’t necessarily need to focus on replenishing picks. I still feel they will trade DiVin and maybe one of their OA forwards but it isn’t a necessity if the deals aren’t right.

Hislop is playing in Guelph so I don't think those are coming back.

 

[Petes1987]

They have three separate deals including the Fantilli deal that have valuable picks being returned.

They get a 3rd and 5th back for Zito
They get a 3rd and 5th back for Hislop
**Both were tied to their OA seasons and neither will play an OA season.
The two 2nds come back at the end of this year related to Fantilli

So, they do have a lot of pick capital returning. They don’t necessarily need to focus on replenishing picks. I still feel they will trade DiVin and maybe one of their OA forwards but it isn’t a necessity if the deals aren’t right.

Brayden Hislop is currently playing as an overage in Guelph.

 

[OMG67]

Hislop is playing in Guelph so I don't think those are coming back.

I noted that wrong. When Hislop played for Guelph, they got the 3rd and 5th. It wasn’t NB paying conditions to Saginaw.

 

[StormWatcher]

Hislop is playing in Guelph so I don't think those are coming back.

Beat me to it, Hislop is playing his OA season in Guelph.

 

[dirty12]

Hislop is playing in Guelph so I don't think those are coming back.

I think the picks for Hislop show as conditional right now. Zito & Fantili combined are '24-2, 4 and '25-2, 3, 5. The battalion should have 20 picks in each of the next two drafts. the only missing pick is '26-2nd

 

[Section5Petes]

 

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