Owen Beck is playing with Tommy Purdeller and Chase Lefebvre, anyone questioning his offensive ability based on this season's numbers isn't paying any attention. OHL GM's surely know better than "duh, not highest points, not pay top rate"
Peterborough Petes 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)
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I'll look at both sides of this. For Brennan Othmann, playing for Wilson was probably (whether he realized it at the time or not) legitimately the best thing for his career going forward. Othmann had the proven offensive numbers, the world juniors pedigree, he was already drafted. Getting into a more structured, defensive system and learning how to win was exactly what he needed and will serve his future career prospects very well. He did come back and spent more time here than anyone else at training camp when it was super clear he wasn't coming back.Geez. They did not
Both (staying with their former team was not an option) probably preferred to go to a team with a chance of winning; but not necessarily wishing to play for a coach that kills offense and stifles creativity.
I don't know what to think with regard to what Owen Beck should want for the rest of the season. On one hand, his meal ticket in the NHL is going to be an exceptional two way forward, he's probably a third line centre long term but can be that on a Stanley Cup contender IMO. Wilson might be pretty close to the best coach in the OHL to develop that game.
On the other hand, if Montreal (or Beck) wants more offense out of him, he can go to literally all 19 teams in the league and be put in a better offensive position than he is with the Petes (playing with Purdeller and Lefebvre and inexplicably on PP2).
You see it in this thread, people not paying any attention suggesting he's worth less than trade deadline studs of years past because "the numbers aren't there". It's utter nonsense. But maybe he should go somewhere and light the league up for four months just to show he can (HINT: We all know he can).
Or maybe he'll just get Tucker Robertson dropped on his wing, stick around a while, and lead the Petes to the conference final to the dismay of ... Everyone on this message board.
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eck is going to go to the highest bidder. What is best for him has nothing to do with it. It is what is best for that buys him.
That will either be Saginaw or Sudbury.
The smartest thing could be a 2 player deal for Mayer and Beck. That would bring them the leadership they are presently lacking in both defence and forward.
remember neither of these teams have a whole lot of experience in playoffs and the M CUP.
Even with his current linemates he still is getting points. He has 14 goals and 10 assists for 24 points in 21 games played. He only had one point in his first 6 games but in his next 15 games he has had 13 goals and 10 assists for 23 points.
Beck is no doubt one of the best forwards in the league right now, and probably most NHL ready.
Othman was a complete player and winner before being a Pete. Maybe, Wilson helped him to control his emotions more effectively.
If the Petes are fortunate enough to get Robertson back, he and Mayer together to another team in the east division …
London could look at that too
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He almost always played with Stillman with a rotating cast of Melee, Lockhart, Page, Lefebvre on the other side so this isn't any great gotcha if that's what you're going for.
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Not saying it was a gotcha. The point I was making is he didn’t score a lot last year either. So, this shouldn’t be a situation where we can point to his linemates.
I can fully get behind the system not meshing with his ability to score at a more elite level. However, this would be a question other teams management would discuss internally.
The issue with Beck, like just a fully offensive player with a lack of defence but scores a ton, is what ”type” of player the team needs. If there are multiple elite players available (and we don’t know that at all), the target for any specific team is the one they feel that possesses the attributes most required when we start looking at the type of trade package required.
This is not a knock per se on Beck. It would be better if Beck also had a consistent 1.4 points per game like other elite scorers that garner the high value prospect plus picks. In the absence of those demonstrated scoring stats (and a 15 game stretch doesn’t count as demonstrated performance), there either needs to be some form of non-scoring attributes that make significant impact on the ice or off it, or there needs to be a significant reason why a certain player hasn’t demonstrated scoring but would likely change in a new environment.
With all that in mind, what teams are the most likely teams to be targeting Beck as their #1 target? Of those teams, do they seem willing to part with a high value young player or can they even go there (no trade clauses).
Just because Beck is perceived as the #1 player available at the deadline, it doesn’t mean he is the #1 player on other teams wish lists based on their perceived needs. I think that needs to be highlighted as well. We don’t know what other high end players will become available. I know some have pointed to Barlow and Nelson as examples. The supply may impact value to a certain extent. I am NOT saying that means his value drops to some sort of ridiculous value. It means the components of the deal may not be as ideal as some would like it to be.
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Tucker Robertson with a primary assist in Wednesday's 5-3 Coachella loss to San Jose. Tucker now up to 1 goal, 1 assist in 3 games in the AHL. 3 goals, 5 assists in 8 games for ECHL Kansas City. Genuinely don't see how he is sent back or where this talk is coming from
I would think if he was gonna get sent back it would have happened by now. Don’t see it happening
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Neither do I. If he wasn't producing then of course but there is no reason to do it now
The fact that he has gone down and come back up again supports your position, if he had gone down and struggled then it would be a different story. Another teaser more than anything else IMO, keeps the interest in the Petes and the speculation that if they add another high quality player then look at how good they could be.
Not sure even if he came back and they added someone the goaltending would hold up. They would need to add another d man too since Gauvreau would be out as the extra OA.
I don't think the game plan would actually change any if he does return. Trading Beck, Mayer and one other would in best case add a couple more players and draft picks for next year. Robertson effectively replaces Beck plus some offense and then they look to play defense by committee to offset the loss of Mayer.
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Never say never BUT it would certainly be well outside the normal for him to be sent back to Junior.
No Robertson would be traded for sure he’d instantly become one of the best OA’s in the league. If your trading Beck and Mayer you aren’t keeping Robertson here no chance
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Owen Beck = Traded
Sam Mayer = Traded
Tucker Robertson = Traded
Konnor Smith = Traded
Jonathan Melee = Traded for right offer
Jax Dubois = Traded for right offer
Sam Mayer = Traded
Tucker Robertson = Traded
Konnor Smith = Traded
Jonathan Melee = Traded for right offer
Jax Dubois = Traded for right offer
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4 goals against or more in 8 of the last 9 games.
Its wishful thinking at best, if he had stayed down in the ECHL then maybe, but once he was sent back up to the AHL, no way.
Yup if you get a good offer on a 04 you move them. You can easily replace 04’s next season for cheap we see it every year guys get moved for a late pick. Example Lawrence going to Ottawa for just a 8th rounder or same for Savard to Kingston
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I would add Donovan McCoy to the list as well. I think you could get some really good offers for him. Sadly this team is showing who they really are and they need a clear reset here. When Beck and Purdeller go to the World Juniors this team will not be able to do anything. reload the draft cupboard with everything you can and try to get some young pieces in here. if we fall to a top 10 or top 5 pick in this draft then so be it because that will help us immensely. We won an OHL Championship and we should all be happy and make the right decisions so we aren't another 17 years before we win it again.
That’s not happening at all n Pete’s I think have actually traded for a player today
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