Peterborough Petes 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

[frontsfan67]

That’s not happening at all n Pete’s I think have actually traded for a player today

What team is involved that you heard?

 

[DeletedAccountt]

What team is involved that you heard?

Gens

Also, agree with @armchaircoaches

Petes do not sell anyone. Beck is the only player they may decide to sell because offers are too good, similar to what Saginaw did last year.

 

[OMG67]

What team is involved that you heard?

If I had to guess, I would say a yojunger depth centre like Toms. Petes will need some centre depth when their guys leave for the WJHC.

 

[Section7fan]

That is not the case. The issue is the difference in perceived value of the assets being mentioned.

IMO, there seems to be a sense amongst some fans that a player like Villeneuve (#3 overall in 2022) is worth less than what JVV was worth last year. The proposals that Beck would go to Sudbury for Villeneuve plus a big basket of premium picks is silly. If you are getting a significantly high value young prospect like Villeneuve, you are sacrificing the picks portion.

The Petes managed to get Beck as an 18 year old but it seems like the expected return would be similar to what they traded to get him. I don’t think that is realistic. But, that is because of a differenc eof opinion on the value of Villeneuve.

I usually prefer to equate trades back to their picks value. The reason why is there is a massive difference in value between a 16th overall 1st rounder and a 5th overall 1st rounder. I think most would agree that Beck is likely worth a 2023 1st round pick plus a picks package. However, the picks package will be heavily affected by the prospect rating of the player they get.

A good example for what Beck is worth would be the DelMaestro trade last year vs the MacT trade the year previous. What was the big difference? Pharand as a 14th overall pick vs Martone as a 5th overall pick. Martone and a 2nd for Del Maestro vs Pharand, Melee, two 2nds and two 3rds for MacT.

So, again, the question is not whether Sudbury fans want to give up assets. The question is the value of the assets. I agree that Villeneuve’s value is much closer to that of JVV and Martone than Pharand. I don’t think it is realistic to expect Villeneuve plus two 2nds and three 3rds which has been presented on this thread and agreed by many as the market value for Beck.

Besides, why would Peterborough want Villeneuve if he isn’t a top prospect? If sort of goes against wha the objective is. Is the objective to get an “OK” player and a bunch of picks? If so, why not just go get a bigger basket of picks? If Mintyukov went for nine picks last year (3 each of 2nds, 3rds, 4ths) then restock your whole picks cabinet in one fell swoop. Why bother getting a bust 3rd overall pick, if that is how Villeneuve is viewed?

The Petes traded their 06 first rounder and don’t necessarily have a strong 06 draft group. Carson Cameron looks legit so the Petes are more likely wanting to build around him to be in contention in his 19 year old season. Given this, they would likely see less value in NV because he’s likely not going to be in the league that year. Not that hard of a concept. I also never said they would get NV plus two 2nds and three 3rds so stop trying to put words in my mouth to make yourself look better.

Martone showed last year and this why he was so valuable in that trade.

 

[Section7fan]

Owen Beck is playing with Tommy Purdeller and Chase Lefebvre, anyone questioning his offensive ability based on this season's numbers isn't paying any attention. OHL GM's surely know better than "duh, not highest points, not pay top rate"

The claim last year was a line could only be elite if it combined for X amount of points. No other metrics could be considered.

 

[User13452]

My guess is either Toms or Graham from the gens or one of their 06 dman

 

[Section5Petes]

Hearing the Petes have acquired '04 RW Ryder McIntyre from the Oshawa Generals in exchange for a mid round draft pick

 

[NorthernVoice]

Hearing the Petes have acquired '04 RW Ryder McIntyre from the Oshawa Generals in exchange for a mid round draft pick

So you're saying they acquired a middle six winger for a cheap draft pick?

Hmmmmm... Who could have foretold such a thing?

HFBoards experts in shambles.

 

[Section5Petes]

So you're saying they acquired a middle six winger for a cheap draft pick?

Hmmmmm... Who could have foretold such a thing?

HFBoards experts in shambles.

Indeed Oke has lol

 

[StormWatcher]

I am getting the sense that many in Peterborough are really excited for Christmas and want to open all their presents.

I can't wait until the deadline has passed. *lol*

 

[User13452]

Hearing the Petes have acquired '04 RW Ryder McIntyre from the Oshawa Generals in exchange for a mid round draft pick

Don’t really get that he’s nothing more then a third line player who can fight doesn’t move the needle much imo

 

[Section5Petes]

I am getting the sense that many in Peterborough are really excited for Christmas and want to open all their presents.

I can't wait until the deadline has passed. *lol*

I think we are all excited for Christmas but we just don't know if we are getting coal or something new to play with

 

[NorthernVoice]

Don’t really get that he’s nothing more then a third line player who can fight doesn’t move the needle much imo

To be fair you just described coach Wilson's wet dreams. It probably pushes Binnie off the roster.

 

[User13452]

To be fair you just described coach Wilson's wet dreams. It probably pushes Binnie off the roster.

Yea maybe but are you really gonna bring him back as a OA? I guess if they move a 04 it’s a possibility

 

[NorthernVoice]

Yea maybe but are you really gonna bring him back as a OA? I guess if they move a 04 it’s a possibility

As I've said before, next year doesn't really matter. It's going to be a struggle no matter what.

 

[DeletedAccountt]

I think we are all excited for Christmas but we just don't know if we are getting coal or something new to play with

You’re getting something from Northern Ontario

 

[User13452]

As I've said before, next year doesn't really matter. It's going to be a struggle no matter what.

I don’t think it’ll be a bottom of the league type year depending what they do this year if they buy or sell. If they sell and get a couple younger players back that fit I don’t think they’ll be that bad plus adding 2 more imports

 

[Section5Petes]

Yea maybe but are you really gonna bring him back as a OA? I guess if they move a 04 it’s a possibility

I think at least one of the NHL undrafted '04s will be moved. This provides some depth

 

[NorthernVoice]

I don’t think it’ll be a bottom of the league type year depending what they do this year if they buy or sell. If they sell and get a couple younger players back that fit I don’t think they’ll be that bad plus adding 2 more imports

They may very well do that but I'd rather they either commit to this year (my preference) and know they're going all the way down next year OR if they trade players, target picks and 07 born players and focus heavily on that group down the road vs. trying to acquire 05/06 born players to make next season mediocre rather than bad (or decent rather than middling, whatever the baseline is).

I think if they try to thread the needle of staying competitive this year and building up the future, it should still be based around picks and 07 types, the 05/06 years have been too depleted already with last season's trades.

 

[Section5Petes]

Assume we may see something like this Saturday night: McIntyre has been getting some time in the Generals top 6 and why not try to unlock something here. He's 6'3, 218lbs and is actually pretty nimble with the puck.

7 Chase Lefebvre​	16 Owen Beck​	20 Tommy Purdeller​
23 Jonathan Melee​	26 Jax Dubois​	# Ryder McIntyre​
12 Sam McCue​	11 Brody Partridge​	29 Braydon McCallum​
14 Quinton Pagé​	28 Brennan Faulkner​	9 Joseph Cadorin​

 

[OMG67]

The Petes traded their 06 first rounder and don’t necessarily have a strong 06 draft group. Carson Cameron looks legit so the Petes are more likely wanting to build around him to be in contention in his 19 year old season. Given this, they would likely see less value in NV because he’s likely not going to be in the league that year. Not that hard of a concept. I also never said they would get NV plus two 2nds and three 3rds so stop trying to put words in my mouth to make yourself look better.

Martone showed last year and this why he was so valuable in that trade.

I wasn’t trying to put words in your mouth. I believe I said, “Some Petes fans.” The sense was that NV wasn’t as valuable so the added picks would need to be included. THAT was what I was referring to. It just happened to be your post I quoted. Don’t take it as me picking on you in any way. That isn’t the intention at all. This is simply just a discussion on value. Nothing more. I meant no harm or insult by it in any way.

The topic itself is pretty relevant since Beck is the most valuable piece the Petes have. Trying to accurately project the value is and should be the #1 topic of discussion surrounding the trade deadline for the Petes.

 

[NorthernVoice]

Everytime you guys type NV I briefly think you're talking about me.

 

[OMG67]

Everytime you guys type NV I briefly think you're talking about me.

LOL. I do mean you when I type it…..

Except when I refer to Nathan Villeneuve….

 

[Section5Petes]

LOL. I do mean you when I type it…..

Except when I refer to Nathan Villeneuve….

Beck for @NorthernVoice straight up!!!

 

[OMG67]

Beck for @NorthernVoice straight up!!!

Don’t get carried away. Petes would have to add at least a 2nd and a 3rd to get NV……