Peterborough Petes 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

[ptbopete]

The officials were just bad. Not even getting into any questionable penalties, they were in the way all night long. Three seperate times a linesman tried to drop the puck when the goalie clearly wasn't ready and things had to be restarted. And then those calls in the third. The "slew foot"... or not... was literally five feet in front of him but it was obvious from the start no one had a clue, thank goodness for replay I guess?

One linesman dragged McCue, who had no idea what was going on into the box for a (very questionable) penalty that was very obviously meant to be on Melee. (they had to review this as well to figure it out) Just incompetence all over the place.

Yeah the officiating was brutal - the Petes were competing against the Wolves and the refs last night and still won.

 

[OMG67]

I would like to see how far this Petes team could in the playoffs.
It would be followed by a four year rebuild similar to the Generals though.

The biggest difference between the wolves now and Petes at this time last season is the wolves have far more disposable assets to build a team with.

I think most people understand what lies ahead for the Petes. Next year will be a struggle no matter what they do. What they do this year at the deadline will determine the length of time they spend at next year’s level. That is really the only issue.

Keep in mind that they do have some pieces currently not with the team so when I say, “next year’s level,” we assume bottoming out but they could muster a playoff spot if some of those guys currently not with the team make some form of impact. That will be determined next year though. Hence the reason why I prefer to refer to it as “next year’s level.”

 

[WillardJFredricks]

Yeah the officiating was brutal - the Petes were competing against the Wolves and the refs last night and still won.

Yep. I try not to get too worked up about reffing, but last night was just awful. Almost unbelievably bad officiating.

 

[dirty12]

I think most people understand what lies ahead for the Petes. Next year will be a struggle no matter what they do. What they do this year at the deadline will determine the length of time they spend at next year’s level. That is really the only issue.

Keep in mind that they do have some pieces currently not with the team so when I say, “next year’s level,” we assume bottoming out but they could muster a playoff spot if some of those guys currently not with the team make some form of impact. That will be determined next year though. Hence the reason why I prefer to refer to it as “next year’s level.”

Oh, I think the Petes should sell; big. That includes McCoy as he could be the top RD available and the only one with championship experience. His value now might be more than double that of next season.

 

[OMG67]

Oh, I think the Petes should sell; big. That includes McCoy as he could be the top RD available and the only one with championship experience. His value now might be more than double that of next season.

Theoretically speaking, 19 year olds typically go for more than the 20 year olds.

I fully agree with NV on next year’s team. It doesn’t matter what they do this year, next year’s team will be weak. I see no reason to keep guys for OA’s next year that have heavy value this year IF THEY SELL. Keeping leadership or skill as OA’s with nothing significant under them is likely a waste. The only reason to keep players is to make a run this year.

 

[Petes1987]

I would like to see how far this Petes team could in the playoffs.
It would be followed by a four year rebuild similar to the Generals though.

The biggest difference between the wolves now and Petes at this time last season is the wolves have far more disposable assets to build a team with.

Are the Wolves willing to part with a couple of their good 17 year olds to make the needed trades? It was said last year that Barrie could buy whatever they needed because of the draft picks that that they had but they were not willing to part with their young players and only made two deals. The other question is will players be willing to traded to Sudbury? Last year players wanted to be traded to Peterborough to play for Rob Wilson.

 

[dirty12]

Are the Wolves willing to part with a couple of their good 17 year olds to make the needed trades? It was said last year that Barrie could buy whatever they needed because of the draft picks that that they had but they were not willing to part with their young players and only made two deals. The other question is will players be willing to traded to Sudbury? Last year players wanted to be traded to Peterborough to play for Rob Wilson.

No one wanted to play for Wilson
Many wanted to be part of a potential winner.

Villeneuve will not likely be traded because the cost will be too high. Other 17 yr olds Idk. I’m sure Papineau’s past dealings has him braced for high asks; and, he is the best positioned to pay.

 

[Petes1987]

No one wanted to play for Wilson
Many wanted to be part of a potential winner.

Villeneuve will not likely be traded because the cost will be too high. Other 17 yr olds Idk. I’m sure Papineau’s past dealings has him braced for high asks; and, he is the best positioned to pay.

Both Connor Lockhart and Brennan Othmann had Peterborough at the top of their list to be traded to because they wanted to play for Rob Wilson. The Petes had challenging second half of the season because it took time for the team to gel and because of multiple players being sick and injured.

 

[dirty12]

Both Connor Lockhart and Brennan Othmann had Peterborough at the top of their list to be traded to because they wanted to play for Rob Wilson. The Petes had challenging second half of the season because it took time for the team to gel and because of multiple players being sick and injured.

Geez. They did not
Both (staying with their former team was not an option) probably preferred to go to a team with a chance of winning; but not necessarily wishing to play for a coach that kills offense and stifles creativity.

 

[Section7fan]

Geez. They did not
Both (staying with their former team was not an option) probably preferred to go to a team with a chance of winning; but not necessarily wishing to play for a coach that kills offense and stifles creativity.

You do realize there was an interview with Lockheart where he literally stated that he wanted to come play under these coaches because of the success guys like McTavish and Sproule had under them.

 

[Petes1987]

Geez. They did not
Both (staying with their former team was not an option) probably preferred to go to a team with a chance of winning; but not necessarily wishing to play for a coach that kills offense and stifles creativity.

Connor Lockhart flourished offensively under Rob Wilson he went from a career 75 points in two seasons to 79 in one season with the Petes. He turned Brennan Othmann into a team player. Rob has a reputation for developing players into complete players. In fact both Othmann and Tucker Robertson asked to come to Peterborough’s training camp to prepare for their upcoming NHL training camp and to continue to learn from Rob Wilson and pass the Petes tradition onto the new players. Brennan stayed for a few days of practice to further learn from him. In 2020 Akil Thomas chose to come to Peterborough over going to Ottawa or London.

 

[dirty12]

You do realize there was an interview with Lockheart where he literally stated that he wanted to come play under these coaches because of the success guys like McTavish and Sproule had under them.

I believe I read that one after reading new IceDogs relished the opportunity to play in Niagara.
Young professionals say what young professionals are trained to say

 

[OMG67]

Are the Wolves willing to part with a couple of their good 17 year olds to make the needed trades? It was said last year that Barrie could buy whatever they needed because of the draft picks that that they had but they were not willing to part with their young players and only made two deals. The other question is will players be willing to traded to Sudbury? Last year players wanted to be traded to Peterborough to play for Rob Wilson.

Ottawa traded 15 picks for Mintyukov and Morrison. Picks only deals were available.

All of Zhilkin, Harrison, Dann, Hache, Holmes, Savard, Fimis, Arcuri, Lavoie etc were traded for primarily picks and maybe a half useless depth player to balance the rosters. If the Colts didn’t make deals, it wasn’t because they were only offering picks.

 

[Petes1987]

Ottawa traded 15 picks for Mintyukov and Morrison. Picks only deals were available.

All of Zhilkin, Harrison, Dann, Hache, Holmes, Savard, Fimis, Arcuri, Lavoie etc were traded for primarily picks and maybe a half useless depth player to balance the rosters. If the Colts didn’t make deals, it wasn’t because they were only offering picks.

Barrie was not able to trade for Shane Wright because they refused to trade a particular young player in the deal. Conversely Ottawa was not able to do more than they did because they did not want to give up any of their young players. It was an unusual situation last year as many of the players you mentioned were traded for by teams who were bidding to host the Memorial Cup and were stockpiling draft picks.

 

[ScoutLife4]

Peterborough from the teams I've scouted may be the best defensive team in the East. -This must be making Oke consider bringing in a goal scoring forward for a run. This team is not that far off being capable of a repeat. -If Seattle decides to allow Tucker to come back for another run this could be a fun team to watch down the stretch.
Sudbury is a powerhouse and that win last night was a good one for morale. They were however coming off a back to back with Oshawa the night before and 3 games in 4 night extended weekend.

 

[HockeyPops]

Ottawa and Mississauga have allowed far fewer goals per game. Have you scouted them?

 

[ScoutLife4]

Ottawa and Mississauga have allowed far fewer goals per game. Have you scouted them?

Ottawa is not the team they were last season. They are significantly worse. -Only had 1 viewing and a mid Kingston put a beat down on them. -They do however have 2 High End Ohl goalies which very much contribute to this. -One of which I expect to be moved very shortly.

Sauga is a top end team no doubt. "may be the best defensive team"
There is definitely room for movement there. -This is also a team with 2 Elite level goaltenders.

Peterborough's D core to be stronger then both of them to be honest.
Pete's goaltending takes a back seat to both.
The east is so wide open right now with Hamilton also creeping in there.

 

[OMG67]

Barrie was not able to trade for Shane Wright because they refused to trade a particular young player in the deal. Conversely Ottawa was not able to do more than they did because they did not want to give up any of their young players. It was an unusual situation last year as many of the players you mentioned were traded for by teams who were bidding to host the Memorial Cup and were stockpiling draft picks.

But the point is a strong basket of players were traded essentially JUST FOR picks. If Barrie wanted to add players, they could have bid for any number of quality star players that moved at the deadline.

It is possible Barrie simply targeted one guy (Wright) and didn’t get him.

Ottawa targeted the top D-Man available at the deadline as well as the top OA Centre at the deadline and got both. They got their targets and they got them for what they were willing to trade. We can argue whether it was enough in hindsight but from a 67’s management perspective, those two were their targets going into the deadline. Everyone else was Plan B. I think they knew they would be able to outbid anyone else and one being an OA and the other being an Import helped for sure. If both were 19 year old North Americans, I don’t think they’d have gotten them for just picks.

Ottawa is not the team they were last season. They are significantly worse. -Only had 1 viewing and a mid Kingston put a beat down on them. -They do however have 2 High End Ohl goalies which very much contribute to this. -One of which I expect to be moved very shortly.

Sauga is a top end team no doubt. "may be the best defensive team"
There is definitely room for movement there. -This is also a team with 2 Elite level goaltenders.

Peterborough's D core to be stronger then both of them to be honest.
Pete's goaltending takes a back seat to both.
The east is so wide open right now with Hamilton also creeping in there.

The last place team in the league came into Peterborough on Thursday and spanked them badly. You cannot use a one game viewing to make an assessment on any Major Junior team. Teams lay eggs all the time at this level. If I were to use last Thursday as a measuring stick, the Petes would be considered a bottom feeder which they are clearly not.

 

[Section7fan]

I believe I read that one after reading new IceDogs relished the opportunity to play in Niagara.
Young professionals say what young professionals are trained to say

Right. I’m sure they held a gun to his head and forced him to say that.

Clown take.

 

[Petes1987]

But the point is a strong basket of players were traded essentially JUST FOR picks. If Barrie wanted to add players, they could have bid for any number of quality star players that moved at the deadline.

It is possible Barrie simply targeted one guy (Wright) and didn’t get him.

Ottawa targeted the top D-Man available at the deadline as well as the top OA Centre at the deadline and got both. They got their targets and they got them for what they were willing to trade. We can argue whether it was enough in hindsight but from a 67’s management perspective, those two were their targets going into the deadline. Everyone else was Plan B. I think they knew they would be able to outbid anyone else and one being an OA and the other being an Import helped for sure. If both were 19 year old North Americans, I don’t think they’d have gotten them for just picks.



The last place team in the league came into Peterborough on Thursday and spanked them badly. You cannot use a one game viewing to make an assessment on any Major Junior team. Teams lay eggs all the time at this level. If I were to use last Thursday as a measuring stick, the Petes would be considered a bottom feeder which they are clearly not.

They did not “spank them badly”. It was 5-2 game with their 5th goal being into an empty net.

 

[OMG67]

They did not “spank them badly”. It was 5-2 game with their 5th goal being into an empty net.

Out of all that, this is what you choose to focus on?

 

[ScoutLife4]

But the point is a strong basket of players were traded essentially JUST FOR picks. If Barrie wanted to add players, they could have bid for any number of quality star players that moved at the deadline.

It is possible Barrie simply targeted one guy (Wright) and didn’t get him.

Ottawa targeted the top D-Man available at the deadline as well as the top OA Centre at the deadline and got both. They got their targets and they got them for what they were willing to trade. We can argue whether it was enough in hindsight but from a 67’s management perspective, those two were their targets going into the deadline. Everyone else was Plan B. I think they knew they would be able to outbid anyone else and one being an OA and the other being an Import helped for sure. If both were 19 year old North Americans, I don’t think they’d have gotten them for just picks.



The last place team in the league came into Peterborough on Thursday and spanked them badly. You cannot use a one game viewing to make an assessment on any Major Junior team. Teams lay eggs all the time at this level. If I were to use last Thursday as a measuring stick, the Petes would be considered a bottom feeder which they are clearly not.

I’m not really making an assessment solely off 1 viewing only.
I seen them twice in preseason, once in Kingston regular season, and watched a couple games on Chl tv.
Plus taking into an account the losses of Logan Morrison, Jack Beck, Pavel Mintyukov.

I also know Jack Beck refused to report because of an issue with management until he was traded.

And that there first round pick d-man refused to report and they had to ship him to London.

Henry Mews has not looked that great either and his draft rating is continuing to fall.

Aside from Mews and Pinelli there’s not much to be excited about there.
I’d say the East is anyone’s between Sudbury, Sauga. Peterborough, Hamilton or Ottawa really but Ottawa will drop off.
I think a lot of Peterboroughs season will be determined by if Tucker comes back or not.

 

[User13452]

I’m not really making an assessment solely off 1 viewing only.
I seen them twice in preseason, once in Kingston regular season, and watched a couple games on Chl tv.
Plus taking into an account the losses of Logan Morrison, Jack Beck, Pavel Mintyukov.

I also know Jack Beck refused to report because of an issue with management until he was traded.

And that there first round pick d-man refused to report and they had to ship him to London.

Henry Mews has not looked that great either and his draft rating is continuing to fall.

Aside from Mews and Pinelli there’s not much to be excited about there.
I’d say the East is anyone’s between Sudbury, Sauga. Peterborough, Hamilton or Ottawa really but Ottawa will drop off.
I think a lot of Peterboroughs season will be determined by if Tucker comes back or not.

Why would it matter if Tucker comes back? They already traded 2 of their top 3 OA’s. If they were banking on Tucker coming back then I don’t see why they would move Simpson so quick because to go on any type of a run they would of needed him

 

[ScoutLife4]

Why would it matter if Tucker comes back? They already traded 2 of their top 3 OA’s. If they were banking on Tucker coming back then I don’t see why they would move Simpson so quick because to go on any type of a run they would of needed him

Tucker is a pure goal scoring forward and that’s something they are lacking right now. When this Simmer move was made Tucker hadn’t been sent to the Echl yet either. -I know he’s back in Coachella now but I truly think he will be back soon.

Simmer move I think was just good asset management turning an overage into getting Bowen a young upcoming goalie that will be around a few years.

This was supposed to be a sell season for the Pete’s but they have been much better then anticipated.

This is speaks volumes to their coaching and ability to develop these young prospects.

 

[OMG67]

I’m not really making an assessment solely off 1 viewing only.
I seen them twice in preseason, once in Kingston regular season, and watched a couple games on Chl tv.
Plus taking into an account the losses of Logan Morrison, Jack Beck, Pavel Mintyukov.

I also know Jack Beck refused to report because of an issue with management until he was traded.

And that there first round pick d-man refused to report and they had to ship him to London.

Henry Mews has not looked that great either and his draft rating is continuing to fall.

Aside from Mews and Pinelli there’s not much to be excited about there.
I’d say the East is anyone’s between Sudbury, Sauga. Peterborough, Hamilton or Ottawa really but Ottawa will drop off.
I think a lot of Peterboroughs season will be determined by if Tucker comes back or not.

And yet, through all that supposed turmoil, the team is sitting in 3rd place in the Conference with the lowest Goals Against in the conference. They also have an OA spot open plus an additional one if that goalie you are referring to moves. The cost of OA’s have been relatively low this season. If they were to add a centre and a top 4 RH D-Man, things would improve on the scoring side. They have the depth on the wings.

I’m not suggesting they will do that. I am only saying they could make a couple moves on the fringes to reconfigure the roster a bit and be significantly better than they have been. That would improve on their +.600% record.

I do agree that the conference is pretty much wide open to the team most aggressive at the deadline. The main point I was making was you cannot judge a team on limited viewing. If we were to do that, things could get skewed quite a bit, especially this season.

I doubt you see Robertson returned. He’s been called up to Coachella. He preformed well (based on stats) at Kansas City. I’d be shocked if he were to be returned at this stage. It makes no sense for Seattle to do that. It is pretty rare for an OA aged player to be returned to Junior mid-season. The decision is usually made in training camp and the team sticks with the plan.