Rumor: Peter Chiarelli is not done?
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That's an interesting classification. I would argue that a shutdown role can be just as integral as a puck moving defender and that New Jerseys offense probably stiffled his performance to begin with.
For the record, I personally believe that Hall was a massive overpayment and was baffled there wasn't a plus headed Edmonton's way, I just feel that defensemen shouldn't be judged based upon points.
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There are what maybe 5-6 elite #1 defensemen in the NHL that would get you an equal value for Hall. The teams with those guys are not going give them up.
Much easier to develop forwards than D men. Edmonton just is paying a tax on picking all those forwards for years when they had the top picks and avoiding D.
If you look at it Larsson is probably the type of guy they should have taken in one of those years when they took the likes of Yakupov.
They are just doing a "market" correction, when that happens, you lose on the short term, but eventually you get back what you have invested.
So Greene, Valasic and McDonaugh are all number three defenceman as well? Please.
I like RNH, but I don't see that move making much sense for us, especially after drafting Jost. Before the draft, it could have made sense if we also traded Duchene for defense at the same time. But now I don't see us wanting a long term $6m barrier for Jost at the 2C spot. At least with Duchene, we could just move him to the wing.
Larsson and shattenkirk has the same number of ES points and the devils scored 40 less ES goals then the blues this past season. Shattenkirk's point differential come soley from the PP in which larsson didn't play at all last year
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I hope Chia's not done, and that he has a trade in the works for the Penguins.
Klefbom for Kunitz? Losing Hall has really left a hole on that wing...
Ye they are still missing a top pair RH defensemen. Girardi is their guy
I've seen this brought up several times this thread.
Do you realise the Kessel trade was considered Brian Burke's biggest mistake ever and one of the worst fleecings of the past decade??
Kessel was traded for Tyler Seguin Dougie Hamilton and Jared Knight.
So.. if you're trying to tarnish Chia for bad trades, this example works against you.
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Chia is looking at where the Oilers are going to be 3-5 years from now, not next season.
And looking 3-5 years down the road, I think the Hall-Larsson deal makes a lot of sense for the Oilers. At that point in time, Hall will had peaked and have even less value. Larsson will have developed and would likely be unavailable. You'd then be looking at a Hall trade for a #4 Dman with no ability to grow beyond that.
And looking 3-5 years down the road, I think the Hall-Larsson deal makes a lot of sense for the Oilers. At that point in time, Hall will had peaked and have even less value. Larsson will have developed and would likely be unavailable. You'd then be looking at a Hall trade for a #4 Dman with no ability to grow beyond that.
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Jones = ( I think is > but EDM fans will say RNH is a 1C)
Werenski >>>>>>>>> Fayne
If that cap dump was Clarkson I sill wouldn't make the trade tbh. Savard for RNH could work.
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From TSN this A.M.
"Lucic is believed to have turned down a six-year, $36 million offer from Los Angeles, allowing him to hit the market. He's reportedly being courted by 10 or more teams with the thought that his new deal will exceed $40 million - perhaps at $42 million - over seven years."
If he signs Lucic 7 years 42 Million, that would be a questionable deal.
"Lucic is believed to have turned down a six-year, $36 million offer from Los Angeles, allowing him to hit the market. He's reportedly being courted by 10 or more teams with the thought that his new deal will exceed $40 million - perhaps at $42 million - over seven years."
If he signs Lucic 7 years 42 Million, that would be a questionable deal.
The List Of Jericho
Judas effect
Are the Oilers a better team? No, they lost that trade. Are they a more well balanced team? Sure
The List Of Jericho
Judas effect
It was only considered a fleecing because the Leafs finished so poorly in the standings, how was Burke suppose to see that playing out the way it did. He acquired a quality sniper for a bunch of what if's....if Boston had drafted a bust instead of Dougie Hamilton, no one would be saying anything.
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because Roy and Sakic are crazy...they flat-out said last year that ROR wasn't available then turn around and trade soon after
Oilers will be monitoring the Barrie arbitration situation very closely...is Colorado willing to pay upwards of 6 million for Tyson?
No, but Hall really wasn't worth what HF thought or, more specifically, what Edmonton fans thought. I've been telling them for years D-men are more valuable then wingers, but "noooooooo". Yesterday was a great day for me.
Me: "How about Fowler + Ritchie + 2nd for Hall"
EDM fans: "Ha... you want Hall, we want Lindholm"
Me: "Nah... Lindholm is worth more".
EDM fans: "Hall is a top 3 LW. He's worth a #1D".
This just in, Hall has been trade for Adam Larsson in a 1-for-1.
One of those gloating posts. If you get a lot out of constructing strawmen and beating them down, then sure, I guess you won the day. If that's important to you, that's great.
But the thing you don't want to discuss- the Oilers becoming a more balanced team- was the real win for Chiarelli and company. It's also not a deal that should surprise anyone from a value perspective; Jones for Johansen set the table. This was just the winger version of that.
I don't recall that happening and I feel like I followed the situation pretty closely.
He's going to be a UFA. He's probably going to be offered multiple questionable deals and be able to take the one he likes the best. That's just what happens.
