Rumor: Peter Chiarelli is not done?

[WesMcCauley]

Hall+4th+Nurse+Ference(cap dump) for Subban
Drai+Yak for Larsson(Maybe add a 2nd?)

Wouldnt this have been better for Edm, Montreal and NJ?

Lucic-Mcdavid-Eberle
Pouliot-RNH-?

Klefbom-Subban
Sekera-Larsson

Wow suddenly Edm looks balanced as hell. Gave up ALOT but still look very solid going forward.
NJ gets a young possible elite center who is very young, and a #1 pick bust in Yak who still is only 22.
Montreal get Hall and Puljujarvi and Nurse for Subban. Huge overpay imo but much better than Weber straight up longterm.
Chiarelli messed up big time and i dont see how this isnt a much better option. I highly doubt Montreal would say no and i dont understand why NJ would say no.
Edm gives up by far the most value in both trades imo but are balanced as hell going forward.
I seriously dont get why Edm gave up that much for Larsson and Montreal traded away Subban for Weber. If you overpay, then atleast overpay for something elite and something that actually has a big impact on your team. I dont see how Weber has more impact than Subban on Montreal or Larsson having more impact on Edm than Hall.
NJ won by a landslide and would have done so if they got Draisatl instead of Hall aswell.

 

[Drij]

Larsson for Barrie.

 

[tempest2i]

Buffalo flatly turned down Ristolainen for Hall because there is a line of how good a D a winger will get you. The line is somewhere between Ristolainen and Larsson.

The lesson is maybe drafthe a D or 2 with all the picks you were handed.

They did. The drafted Nurse and Klefbom with some of the pick they were handed. Both guys are still on the team.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Buffalo flatly turned down Ristolainen for Hall because there is a line of how good a D a winger will get you. The line is somewhere between Ristolainen and Larsson.

The lesson is maybe drafthe a D or 2 with all the picks you were handed.

they drafted Nurse ahead of Risto

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Buffalo flatly turned down Ristolainen for Hall because there is a line of how good a D a winger will get you. The line is somewhere between Ristolainen and Larsson.

The lesson is maybe drafthe a D or 2 with all the picks you were handed.

The lesson is that hindsight is a great thing to have. Were you pushing Larsson instead of RNH in 2011? How about Subban 1 or 2OA in 2007 over JVR?

No, of course not- the Oilers took a player most of the hockey world saw as top 3 in their respective draft. Most other teams would have done the same.

Fault them MAYBE for not trading down in the Yakupov draft, but you'd still have to pick the right D that year- and still there the 78th player taken might be better than the 3rd.

 

[THall4]

RNH + 1st in '17 ?

 

[THall4]

I hope Chia's not done, and that he has a trade in the works for the Penguins.

Klefbom for Kunitz? Losing Hall has really left a hole on that wing...

LOL

and bringing in Kunitz creates a bigger hole on LW for the Oilers

 

[Sam Spade]

I hope for Oilers fans sake he is done.

 

[Draiskull]

I hope for Oilers fans sake he is done.

nah.. cant fix the D half way.. willing to bite another bullet as long as it fixes the D.

Trade RNH+ or Eberle+ but fix the D completely.

McDavid, Draisaitl, Puljujarvi, Maroon, Yakupov, Pouliot, one of RNH\Ebs and possibly Lucic are enough to carry the offense up front.

 

[kdog82]

McQuaid

for

Yakupov

 

[insider]

I've seen 4-5 quotes from team executives saying they would have paid more for Hall had chia called them. Now of course that could just be posturing to make him look bad but for myself, I believe it completely. I think he's in love with Larsson, the blinders went up and he got locked on getting him.

I've only seen one actually explain his offer and it was 2 firsts + a middling roster player. That is not a better offer than Larsson for Edmonton.

The question isn't "What could Hall have gotten back?", but which minute-munching RHD could Hall have gotten back, and it's pretty clear that Larsson was the best possibility.

 

[That Habs Fan]

Emelin and a prospect/pick

for

Eberle

Habs then sign Hamhuis and roll with

Hamhuis-Weber
Markov-Petry
Beaulieu-Pateryn

 

[Draiskull]

McQuaid

for

Yakupov

Emelin and a prospect/pick

for

Eberle

Habs then sign Hamhuis and roll with

Hamhuis-Weber
Markov-Petry
Beaulieu-Pateryn

Oilers need a PPQB. They would just throw $$ at Demers if they didnt.

 

[Accelleratii]

Gotta hand it to Chiarelli, he is trying to build an actual hockey team, not a fantasy team of which on paper HF boards drools over, but in actuality is not very good.

HF boards posters cling to a players potential and draft position far to much, the object is to build a winning team and I bet a week from now the Oilers will be far better balanced, than they were at the end of the season.

Maybe more balanced but Hall has more value than Larsson ever will. Part of being a GM is properly managing assets while building a contender. Chia did not manage this asset properly, not even close.

If they sign Lucic, great, they've added him and that Pool Party kid at #4 OA. LW is not a weakness then but REGARDLESS, Hall is far superior to Larsson. Poor asset management.

 

[Mr Tadakichi]

I honestly don't mind yesterday's trade, but if this is more than RNH, then Chia should be fired immediately.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Maybe more balanced but Hall has more value than Larsson ever will. Part of being a GM is properly managing assets while building a contender. Chia did not manage this asset properly, not even close.

I'm still waiting for proof from someone, anyone, that the asset was mismanaged and Chiarelli turned down a better trade involving a top-four RHD for Hall.

If you can find that, you might be right. Otherwise? This point of view is baseless.

 

[The CyNick]

Hall+4th+Nurse+Ference(cap dump) for Subban
Drai+Yak for Larsson(Maybe add a 2nd?)

Wouldnt this have been better for Edm, Montreal and NJ?

Lucic-Mcdavid-Eberle
Pouliot-RNH-?

Klefbom-Subban
Sekera-Larsson

Wow suddenly Edm looks balanced as hell. Gave up ALOT but still look very solid going forward.
NJ gets a young possible elite center who is very young, and a #1 pick bust in Yak who still is only 22.
Montreal get Hall and Puljujarvi and Nurse for Subban. Huge overpay imo but much better than Weber straight up longterm.
Chiarelli messed up big time and i dont see how this isnt a much better option. I highly doubt Montreal would say no and i dont understand why NJ would say no.
Edm gives up by far the most value in both trades imo but are balanced as hell going forward.
I seriously dont get why Edm gave up that much for Larsson and Montreal traded away Subban for Weber. If you overpay, then atleast overpay for something elite and something that actually has a big impact on your team. I dont see how Weber has more impact than Subban on Montreal or Larsson having more impact on Edm than Hall.
NJ won by a landslide and would have done so if they got Draisatl instead of Hall aswell.

Montreal isn't exactly bubbling over with D. They clearly wanted to get another ELITE defender for Subban. Weber is one of the best D in the league. Which is why I am guessing a Montreal Edmonton trade never got off the ground.

The lesson here is wingers are not valued in the league, even good ones.

 

[Paladin2799]

IMHO I think the perfect trade here is for shattenkirk.

EDM can resign him, he fits the PP mould that EDM is looking for, and fits the age group.

Sign Lucic, trade IMHO RNH for Shatty and you're laughing.

 

[The Kingslayer]

because Roy and Sakic are crazy...they flat-out said last year that ROR wasn't available then turn around and trade soon after

Oilers will be monitoring the Barrie arbitration situation very closely...is Colorado willing to pay upwards of 6 million for Tyson?

I dont recall Roy or Sakic saying ROR wasnt available more like they were hopeful to get him to sign. The writing was on the wall for that one years before. The Barrie situation isnt really comparable to the ROR situation although arbitration and beyond should be interesting to say the least. If i was the Oilers I would be throwing everything not named Mcdavid to try and acquire him.

 

[snipes]

Gotta hand it to Chiarelli, he is trying to build an actual hockey team, not a fantasy team of which on paper HF boards drools over, but in actuality is not very good.

HF boards posters cling to a players potential and draft position far to much, the object is to build a winning team and I bet a week from now the Oilers will be far better balanced, than they were at the end of the season.

Thank you. I agree, we needed Dmen desperately. We'll be a harder team to play against the Larsson in the lineup.

 

[McDrailers]

IMHO I think the perfect trade here is for shattenkirk.

EDM can resign him, he fits the PP mould that EDM is looking for, and fits the age group.

Sign Lucic, trade IMHO RNH for Shatty and you're laughing.

I think we all learned yesterday RNH doesn't get you half of Shattenkirk

 

[THall4]

Exactly! Larsson also CAN play on the PP but was not put there because he was needed on the PK and going up against other team's top guys. On a team with more balanced D he might produce a lot more pts.

How's his shot? Don't get to see a lot of Larsson out here..

 

[Accelleratii]

I'm still waiting for proof from someone, anyone, that the asset was mismanaged and Chiarelli turned down a better trade involving a top-four RHD for Hall.

If you can find that, you might be right. Otherwise? This point of view is baseless.

So trading Hall for Larsson propels the Oilers into contention? Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make. Maybe Hall fetches much more at this year's deadline? Maybe not. But this seems like a knee-jerk reaction and an extreme undervalue for a top offensive dynamo.

Edmonton needs D, yes, but you're telling me that because this was, by all indications, the only RHD available for Hall, it's a good move simple because it fulfills a need. Let us not forget that Hall was the player going the other way. But I guess a decade worth of a awful hockey managing will do that to some people. The team culture starts at the top...Edmonton got straight up fleeced, man.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

So trading Hall for Larsson propels the Oilers into contention?

By itself? No, but it gets them closer. And that's the point. They needed a Larsson. They got him.

Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make.

A mantra we've trotted out as Oilers fans for ten years. Wasn't working, was never going to.

Maybe Hall fetches much more at this year's deadline? Maybe not. But this seems like a knee-jerk reaction and an extreme undervalue for a top offensive dynamo.

Again, undervalue as compared to what? We have one comparable and it's pretty damn good.

Edmonton needs D, yes, but you're telling me that because this was, by all indications, the only RHD available for Hall, it's a good move simple because it fulfills a need.

That's kind of the point, isn't it- to address needs by trading from surplus assets?

Let us not forget that Hall was the player going the other way. But I guess a decade worth of a awful hockey managing will do that to some people. The team culture starts at the top...Edmonton got straight up fleeced, man.

And an insult when you can't touch the facts of my post. Beautiful.

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

COL - Shatty

STL - RNH

EDM - Barrie

???

I'd be ok with this one from a Blues POV

Not a fan of Eberle.....