Rumor: Peter Chiarelli is not done?

[TheNumber4]

Would the Avs be happy swapping Barrie for a signed Shattenkirk.

Friedman mentioned a 3 way and St Louis GM rumoured to want Eberle. St Louis fanbase wouldn't mind Eberle but would also rather have RNH.

AVS -> Shattenkirk
ST LOUIS -> Eberle
EDMONTON -> Barrie

 

[zar]

No player is as valuable as hf thinks. Most valuations are completely laughable.

Agreed. And then there are teams that have great players and think they are all going to sign for a hometown deal "because our GM is a genius".

I hope Chia is balancing the team and making it more cap friendly... identifying what is coming in 2 years.

If it is Colorado, it's obviously Barrie and the cost dollar-wise can't be more than RNH... it would need to be RNH+. The + is probably a Davidson or Reinhart.

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Barrie
Nurse-Fayne

Lucic-McDavid-Yakupov/Puljujarvi
Pouliot-Draisaitl-Eberle
Maroon-???Lander/Caggiula???-Kassian
Hendricks-Letestu-Pakarinen

Talbot
Broissoit

 

[LTIR]

To EDM: Barrie + Iginla
To COL: Eberle + Fayne + Yakupov or Reinhart

Thoughts?

 

[Oilerglory]

if Larsson cost the Oilers Hall, I cannot imagine what Barrie would cost the Oilers... good god

Larsson is a better player than Barrie

 

[Captain Controversy]

To EDM: Barrie + Iginla
To COL: Eberle + Fayne + Yakupov or Reinhart

Thoughts?

sure why not.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Barrie is over rated

 

[WonderTwinsUnite]

There's a rumour that EDM turned down Shatty for Hall. Totally absurd... Shattenkirk has posted 40+ points for years. Even if he's UFA next year, lock him up at around $7M and he's a top pairing anchor.

Don't know what Chiarelli has up his sleeve but Hall for Larsson wasn't exactly a huge win for the Oil. Larsson is good, but Hall was the offensive leader of the team, near PPG for a few years now.

 

[TheNumber4]

There's a rumour that EDM turned down Shatty for Hall. Totally absurd... Shattenkirk has posted 40+ points for years. Even if he's UFA next year, lock him up at around $7M and he's a top pairing anchor.

Don't know what Chiarelli has up his sleeve but Hall for Larsson wasn't exactly a huge win for the Oil. Larsson is good, but Hall was the offensive leader of the team, near PPG for a few years now.

Could see it without a guarantee of extension in place. Chia stated he is looking for more stability and more of a permanent fix on the right side D.

There's also rumblings that Shattenkirk while he would sign to a western team, Edmonton is not on that list.

I don't see any teams moving significant pieces for Shatty unless an extension was done.

 

[Oilerglory]

There's a rumour that EDM turned down Shatty for Hall. Totally absurd... Shattenkirk has posted 40+ points for years. Even if he's UFA next year, lock him up at around $7M and he's a top pairing anchor.

Don't know what Chiarelli has up his sleeve but Hall for Larsson wasn't exactly a huge win for the Oil. Larsson is good, but Hall was the offensive leader of the team, near PPG for a few years now.

This isnt fantasy hockey,Larsson is a much tougher player to play against than Shattenkirk

 

[mdobbs]

There's a rumour that EDM turned down Shatty for Hall. Totally absurd... Shattenkirk has posted 40+ points for years. Even if he's UFA next year, lock him up at around $7M and he's a top pairing anchor.

Don't know what Chiarelli has up his sleeve but Hall for Larsson wasn't exactly a huge win for the Oil. Larsson is good, but Hall was the offensive leader of the team, near PPG for a few years now.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that Larsson is better defensively than Shattenkirk. Two totally different players.

 

[mdobbs]

This isnt fantasy hockey,Larsson is a much tougher player to play against than Shattenkirk

Based on hfboards response it feels like it is

 

[WonderTwinsUnite]

This isnt fantasy hockey,Larsson is a much tougher player to play against than Shattenkirk

Doesn't mean that Larsson is a better player... I'm not saying Shattenkirk is >>> Larsson, but he is > Larsson

The only sure win in trading for Larsson v. Shattenkirk is contract status. Riskier with Shattenkirk one year to UFA. Extension would be a must

 

[FightingIrish17]

can we have Larsson back? kthx

I mean, you robbed the Oilers blind. Hall is easily the better player. That being said, Edmonton fans and media has been freaking out, even calling Larsson a "2nd pairing player." As a Jersey fan, can you tell the world exactly how good Larsson is? Honest evaluation of his game.

 

[Draiskull]

Doesn't mean that Larsson is a better player... I'm not saying Shattenkirk is >>> Larsson, but he is > Larsson

The only sure win in trading for Larsson v. Shattenkirk is contract status

and the play in the defensive end.

Shattenkirk is an elite PPQB but otherwise isnt better than Larsson.

 

[FightingIrish17]

and the play in the defensive end.

Shattenkirk is an elite PPQB but otherwise isnt better than Larsson.

Larsson is better than Shattenkirk now imo, has more potential, younger, and on a better deal (assuming Shattenkirk gets near 6M). Larsson plays tougher minutes against tougher competition.

 

[WonderTwinsUnite]

and the play in the defensive end.

Shattenkirk is an elite PPQB but otherwise isnt better than Larsson.

Producing 20+ more points per year is significant. Offense from the back end is very important.

If you guys are happy with Larsson, all power to you, I just think Shattenkirk would have been a better option. It does offer extra cap space that having Shatty wouldn't allow.

Honestly, I wished a Shatty deal had happened because I think Hall would have been lights out on the Blues. Tarasenko, Hall, Pietrangelo on the PP...

 

[Draiskull]

I mean, you robbed the Oilers blind. Hall is easily the better player. That being said, Edmonton fans and media has been freaking out, even calling Larsson a "2nd pairing player." As a Jersey fan, can you tell the world exactly how good Larsson is? Honest evaluation of his game.

Larsson is on the upswing but he hasnt established himself to be better than a 2nd pairing guy yet.. Same can be said for Klefbom. It is really not a knock on Larsson when he is called a 2nd pairing player.

Larsson was 45th in the league in TOI\game (22:30) and 68th in shifts\game.

Not sure if I buy Chiarelli's comment that Larsson can play 26 or 28 mins \ game.

 

[Balthazar]

Yeah, Eberle at 6M isn't the main piece coming back for Barrie. In fact, he's exactly the type of player that Roy dislikes: Soft as butter, coasting, doesn't move his feet...

Sorry to burst your bubble Oilers fans but if you get Barrie it won't be for Eberle+

 

[McFlyingV]

Producing 20+ more points per year is significant. Offense from the back end is very important.

If you guys are happy with Larsson, all power to you, I just think Shattenkirk would have been a better option. It does offer extra cap space that having Shatty wouldn't allow.

Honestly, I wished a Shatty deal had happened because I think Hall would have been lights out on the Blues. Tarasenko, Hall, Pietrangelo on the PP...

Hall's not even that great of a power play player. His value comes from his ability to create chances 5 on 5 with his skating.

 

[Captain Controversy]

Yeah, Eberle at 6M isn't the main piece coming back for Barrie. In fact, he's exactly the type of player that Roy dislikes: Soft as butter, coasting, doesn't move his feet...

Sorry to burst your bubble Oilers fans but if you get Barrie it won't be for Eberle+

Yeah probably not
Oh well. I guess we can just try to make our own right shot d man haha

 

[FightingIrish17]

Larsson is on the upswing but he hasnt established himself to be better than a 2nd pairing guy yet.. Same can be said for Klefbom. It is really not a knock on Larsson when he is called a 2nd pairing player.

Larsson was 45th in the league in TOI\game (22:30) and 68th in shifts\game.

Not sure if I buy Chiarelli's comment that Larsson can play 26 or 28 mins \ game.

He was the #1 D in NJD who has a much better defence than the Oilers. He is right now a #2, I would be hard pressed to count 40 or 50 better defenders than him. It seems as soon as he traded for Hall he goes from a consensus top pair to a middle pairing guy.

 

[McFlyingV]

Yeah, Eberle at 6M isn't the main piece coming back for Barrie. In fact, he's exactly the type of player that Roy dislikes: Soft as butter, coasting, doesn't move his feet...

Sorry to burst your bubble Oilers fans but if you get Barrie it won't be for Eberle+

I'd give up RNH for either Barrie or Shattenkirk (extended). Would probably even add a prospect like Reinhart. Then sign a 3C in free agency assuming there's one available.

Or if any offensive D are available for picks I'd have no problem with Chia moving next years 1st protected or unprotected depending on the quality of D and/or prospects.

 

[WonderTwinsUnite]

Hall's not even that great of a power play player. His value comes from his ability to create chances 5 on 5 with his skating.

Well, he's also never played with such talented players on a PP before with the Oil... although, who knows how it would play out, I guess.

In any case, Hall would tear it up with the Blues, but that's a moot point now

 

[Soundwave]

Shattenkirk wants to sign in a market closer to New York where he and his wife are from.

Edmonton does fit that bill, so they'd be getting one year of Shattenkirk. Also Shattenkirk likely wants an extension in the 6-7 mill per range ... big difference from Larsson who is locked in a 4.1 per for the next 5 years.

 

[McFlyingV]

Well, he's also never played with such talented players on a PP before with the Oil... although, who knows how it would play out, I guess.

In any case, Hall would tear it up with the Blues, but that's a moot point now

He literally just played with combinations of Connor McDavid, Draisaitl, Eberle, Nugent-hopkins all year. He didn't have the D that STL had but he just isn't that effective. He has good vision and passing but thats at its strongest off the rush, on the PP he always seems to rush plays and he is not a sniper by any means.