Rumor: Peter Chiarelli is not done?

[aemoreira1981]

One move that Edmonton should make, but I doubt Chia would make, is to really mess with Minnesota's cap situation and offer-sheet Matt Dumba at about $5M. (The Wild still need to re-sign RFA Darcy Kuempfer, Jordan Schroeder, and 1 or 2 (if a trade happens) forwards, with just $1.918M in cap space barring a trade.) I expect that the Wild will match, but it will help the Oilers even if they don't get Dumba.

 

[TwiztedHeat]

ITT Oiler fans struggle with the idea that Dumba actually has to WANT to sign an offer sheet with EDM. It doesn't magically happen.

To go with that, sure go ahead and offer sheet him. Have fun with that cap when Drai, Mcdavid and Nurse come up. MIN would be happy to send out and offer sheet to any one of them beyond the reach of EDMs cap.

 

[thalegion]

One move that Edmonton should make, but I doubt Chia would make, is to really mess with Minnesota's cap situation and offer-sheet Matt Dumba at about $5M. (The Wild still need to re-sign RFA Darcy Kuempfer, Jordan Schroeder, and 1 or 2 (if a trade happens) forwards, with just $1.918M in cap space barring a trade.) I expect that the Wild will match, but it will help the Oilers even if they don't get Dumba.

But then we'd be severely overpaying for Dumba who kinda sorta isn't a good defenseman. More sheltered than the bar they freestyled at in 8-mile.

 

[Draiskull]

One move that Edmonton should make, but I doubt Chia would make, is to really mess with Minnesota's cap situation and offer-sheet Matt Dumba at about $5M. (The Wild still need to re-sign RFA Darcy Kuempfer, Jordan Schroeder, and 1 or 2 (if a trade happens) forwards, with just $1.918M in cap space barring a trade.) I expect that the Wild will match, but it will help the Oilers even if they don't get Dumba.

and you think the Oilers would want Dumba at 5M ??
There is no real need to mess with MIN ..

 

[Spurgeon]

Homer alert!

Or I just know my defensemen better than Oilers fans. I remember I posted a poll a while back asking if Klefbom or Brodin was the better defenseman and the overwhelming majority said Brodin. I'm not being a homer, we just have a stacked defensive core. Klefbom might be a better defenseman than Dumba currently, but he'd still be behind Dumba on our roster because Dumba is a very useful offensive threat that we don't really have among our other defensemen. Whereas Klefbom is another player similar to Brodin/Scandella but isn't at their level (yet).

 

[McDavyCrockett]

ITT Oiler fans struggle with the idea that Dumba actually has to WANT to sign an offer sheet with EDM. It doesn't magically happen.

To go with that, sure go ahead and offer sheet him. Have fun with that cap when Drai, Mcdavid and Nurse come up. MIN would be happy to send out and offer sheet to any one of them beyond the reach of EDMs cap.

If you want to give Nurse a huge deal that we won't match, go for it.

McDavid's not hitting RFA and Draisaitl won't be worth more than 6.5 million max in any case.

You'd only be screwing yourself and your cap while in the midst of your cup window.

 

[Draiskull]

Or I just know my defensemen better than Oilers fans. I remember I posted a poll a while back asking if Klefbom or Brodin was the better defenseman and the overwhelming majority said Brodin. I'm not being a homer, we just have a stacked defensive core. Klefbom might be a better defenseman than Dumba currently, but he'd still be behind Dumba on our roster because Dumba is a very useful offensive threat that we don't really have among our other defensemen. Whereas Klefbom is another player similar to Brodin/Scandella but isn't at their level (yet).

do another poll.. add Scandella to it as well.
IMO Klefbom>Scandella but its close mainly due to Klefa missing games last season.. Brodin had a bad season so he wouldnt be close at all.

In any case the only Dman from MIN Oilers would be interested in is Spurgeon and doubt he is available.

 

[McDavyCrockett]

Or I just know my defensemen better than Oilers fans. I remember I posted a poll a while back asking if Klefbom or Brodin was the better defenseman and the overwhelming majority said Brodin. I'm not being a homer, we just have a stacked defensive core. Klefbom might be a better defenseman than Dumba currently, but he'd still be behind Dumba on our roster because Dumba is a very useful offensive threat that we don't really have among our other defensemen. Whereas Klefbom is another player similar to Brodin/Scandella but isn't at their level (yet).

Take it from an Oiler fan who absolutely loves Brodin and would have gladly moved RNH for him a couple weeks back (take a look at my post history)- Klefbom is definitely at his level/possibly Scandella's if last season was any indication.

It doesn't really matter though- all of them are ideally only #3s. However, given that Minnesota has a clear-cut all-around #1 who can push everyone down the depth chart, Scandella/Brodin/Spurgeon are actually playing at their respective capabilities whereas Klefbom is forced in over his head as a #1 (now #2) on the Oilers.

 

[McDavyCrockett]

do another poll.. add Scandella to it as well.
IMO Klefbom>Scandella but its close mainly due to Klefa missing games last season.. Brodin had a bad season so he wouldnt be close at all.

In any case the only Dman from MIN Oilers would be interested in is Spurgeon and doubt he is available.

Nonsense.

At best Klefbom=Scandella.

Scandella is very, very good in his role. He's one of the best shutdown D in the league. Same with Brodin.

 

[McFlyingV]

ITT Oiler fans struggle with the idea that Dumba actually has to WANT to sign an offer sheet with EDM. It doesn't magically happen.

To go with that, sure go ahead and offer sheet him. Have fun with that cap when Drai, Mcdavid and Nurse come up. MIN would be happy to send out and offer sheet to any one of them beyond the reach of EDMs cap.

Not that I have any interest in offer sheeting Dumba55 because really I want nothing to do with him, but our cap structure is perfectly fine for all of those players. That is of course unless you think Nurse is going to suddenly become an offensive dynamo which is pretty unlikely. He won't get anything more than Klefbom money longterm. McDavid's obviously going to make a bunch, and maybe Draisaitl sees 6M but if he does it likely means he had a huge breakout season making Nuge or Eberle expendable to offset the cap. Thats before you factor in the other cap space in Fayne, Ference, Hendricks, and Korpse buyout that will be gone by then along with a likely cap increase of at least a few million.

 

[Spurgeon]

As I said before, I don't think there's a large gap between them. I think after next year if he has a good year not having to carry the defensive workload anymore, he could very well be at the levels of Scandella and/or Brodin.

If I had to rank them it'd be like this (lines just indicate a gap in level):

Spurgeon

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Scandella

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Brodin
Klefbom
Dumba

 

[Draiskull]

Nonsense.

At best Klefbom=Scandella.

Scandella is very, very good in his role. He's one of the best shutdown D in the league. Same with Brodin.

says someone who think Brodin = RNH ..

I have my opinion and advanced stats .. you may have your reasons..
Scandella is good there is no doubt which is why I said he and Klefbom are very close.

Brodin seemed good when he was paired with Suter but I would like to know your justification now.

 

[Draiskull]

As I said before, I don't think there's a large gap between them. I think after next year if he has a good year not having to carry the defensive workload anymore, he could very well be at the levels of Scandella and/or Brodin.

If I had to rank them it'd be like this (lines just indicate a gap in level):

Spurgeon

------
------

Scandella

------

Brodin
Klefbom
Dumba

maybe just keep Klefbom out of this and just rank your own players.

 

[Mr Positive]

there's no sense in ranking Klefbom against other Dmen. He's not available unless we're trading him for a #1D back, maybe in a package deal where we add a piece.

We don't have a 1D. Klefbom isn't one, but has some potential to become one. Larsson is better, but he isn't one today either. Both were bright spots this season, playing on the top pairing for their teams (bad teams) and beating the best competition in the league regularly. Yeah, for Klef there is the issue of sample size, but we're not selling him just based on his accomplishments up until today.

 

[McDoused]

Man I love that I've been watching some of these kids for almost a decade and know the strengths, weaknesses and developmental curve of all these guys and I'm being told how wrong I am. I guess someone always knows better. This is why it's nice to rate players before they are drafted, you avoid the whole "homer" argument. For the record, I was very high on both Scandella and Klefbom in their draft year. I liked Klefbom a bit more then and I still give the nod the Klefbom.

Don't believe me? Go look up my posts when Klefbom was still in the AHL and fans were ready to give up on him.

 

[Spurgeon]

maybe just keep Klefbom out of this and just rank your own players.

Was the whole discussion not about comparing Klefbom and where he'd be considered on the Wild roster?????? Lol.

It's not like we're trading for him, I just wanted to counter the fact that he would be our #2 or #3 defenseman, he'd be our #5 or #6.

 

[Seachd]

ITT Oiler fans struggle with the idea that Dumba actually has to WANT to sign an offer sheet with EDM. It doesn't magically happen.

I think this is pretty funny, because then you write this, apparently struggling with the idea that a player actually has to make it to free agency to receive an offer sheet:

To go with that, sure go ahead and offer sheet him. Have fun with that cap when Drai, Mcdavid and Nurse come up. MIN would be happy to send out and offer sheet to any one of them beyond the reach of EDMs cap.

 

[LTIR]

Was the whole discussion not about comparing Klefbom and where he'd be considered on the Wild roster?????? Lol.

It's not like we're trading for him, I just wanted to counter the fact that he would be our #2 or #3 defenseman, he'd be our #5 or #6.

Well then your comparison is way off.. Oilers need a offensive RD but would not do Klefbom for Spurgeon.. Gauge his worth from that..

Spurgeon is worth around Petry and would get chewed up as a top pairing Dman if he didnt have Suter.

Scandella to Klefbom is good comparison defensivly both are solid and IMO the difference between Scandella and Spurgeon is not that big.. certainly not they way you put it.

 

[TwiztedHeat]

Well then your comparison is way off.. Oilers need a offensive RD but would not do Klefbom for Spurgeon.. Gauge his worth from that..

Spurgeon is worth around Petry and would get chewed up as a top pairing Dman if he didnt have Suter.

Scandella to Klefbom is good comparison defensivly both are solid and IMO the difference between Scandella and Spurgeon is not that big.. certainly not they way you put it.

You're absolutely off in LaLa land if you believe Petry=Spurgeon. He's better in every single way except Petry is bigger. That's it. The fact that you think Suter carried him is just ridiculous and shows you know absolutely nothing of substance about him.

 

[Spurgeon]

Well then your comparison is way off.. Oilers need a offensive RD but would not do Klefbom for Spurgeon.. Gauge his worth from that..

Spurgeon is worth around Petry and would get chewed up as a top pairing Dman if he didnt have Suter.

Scandella to Klefbom is good comparison defensivly both are solid and IMO the difference between Scandella and Spurgeon is not that big.. certainly not they way you put it.

Not going to waste energy typing a reply after that one lol.

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[sxvnert]

Better hope not for Edmontons sake.

 

[Aerchon]

Got to say Brodin is not a defenseman I have any time for. Fell off a cliff last year and I just never seen anything in him that makes me think he can be anything more than a number 3/4 on a good team.

Klefboms high end is clearly superior in every imaginable way. Whether he gets there or not is another matter.

I followed Dumba from his junior career in red deer and he is exactly what I thought he would be. A one dimensional PP specialist that needs sheltering on the bottom pairing.

Rnh is worth more than either by a country mile.

I hope Chiarelli avoids both unless they can be had for a song and a dance.

Sekera is clearly better than Brodin, Klefbom probably will be by the end of this year, Davidson had an amazing year and I personally wouldn't trade him for Brodin, Nurse clearly more upside, and I even prefer Reinharts package of size and IQ compared to Brodins... Positioning?

Don't get me wrong. If the Oilers didn't have the above I would be interested but they do so I am not sure why his name even comes up.

Dumba fills a perfect niche on the bottom pairing with Davidson but you just don't pay much for bottom pairing types.

The highest I would go is Yak and a third for Dumba.

Just my opinion.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Better hope not for Edmontons sake.

you're right, cause doing nothing at all has gotten us really far these past 10 years

 

[TwiztedHeat]

Got to say Brodin is not a defenseman I have any time for. Fell off a cliff last year and I just never seen anything in him that makes me think he can be anything more than a number 3/4 on a good team.

Klefboms high end is clearly superior in every imaginable way. Whether he gets there or not is another matter.

I followed Dumba from his junior career in red deer and he is exactly what I thought he would be. A one dimensional PP specialist that needs sheltering on the bottom pairing.

Rnh is worth more than either by a country mile.

I hope Chiarelli avoids both unless they can be had for a song and a dance.

Sekera is clearly better than Brodin, Klefbom probably will be by the end of this year, Davidson had an amazing year and I personally wouldn't trade him for Brodin, Nurse clearly more upside, and I even prefer Reinharts package of size and IQ compared to Brodins... Positioning?

Don't get me wrong. If the Oilers didn't have the above I would be interested but they do so I am not sure why his name even comes up.

Dumba fills a perfect niche on the bottom pairing with Davidson but you just don't pay much for bottom pairing types.

The highest I would go is Yak and a third for Dumba.

Just my opinion.

Did you just try to state Sekera, Davidson, Nurse AND ****ing Reinhart are better than Brodin? How'd that work out for you guys last year? GTFO with that nonsense.

Also apparently Dumba is done developing, good to know.

It will be funny when Brodin and Dumba go off this year and every EDM fan will be wishing they traded for either of them.

 

[slim2001]

It might look wrong to you but it's not. Klefbom would not be above Suter or Scandella on the left side and he can't play the right side better than Spurgeon or Brodin. It's not a knock against Klefbom, it's just that the Wild defense is leaps and bounds better than anything EDM has.

I think you underestimate Klefbom. The reason the Wild defense is leaps and bounds better than Oilers is Suter a true number one, the other guys are only descent and I would easily take Klefbom over any of them. Spurgeon might be slightly better than him right now but I think Klefbom takes another step next year. I can understand liking one offensive and 2 defensive defensemen to complement the top 4 with Suter and it might be better for the wild than Klefbom who is more of a two-way defensemen but ranking him with Brodin and Dumba is not correct.