Rumor: Peter Chiarelli is not done?

[PatrikOverAuston]

You can call Larsson a top pairing defensemen all you want, but he is not a #1 and wouldn't be a #2 on a lot of teams.

Neither was Jones prior to the Columbus trade. They love it now, enough to sign him to a massive extension. Larsson is much the same.

There's a reason New Jersey fans are jumping for joy over this trade.

It's tempered with a good degree of sadness and bewilderment. You don't need to invent reactions; over and over, while they've celebrated Hall, they've wondered what the hell Shero is going to do to fix the defence. Larsson was their #2, no doubt about it.

Hall should have been traded for nothing less than a #1 defensemen, or for a #2 with a plus coming along with him.

Great, please e-mail or text all GMs and let them know you've decided that.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

No, 9.3 million is 4 1sts. There's an entire tier yet between that and 7 million on the nose (5.6-7.5, 7.5-9.3, 9.3+). That only applies if it's 7 years.

When determining the number for compensation purposes, the total salary is divided either by whichever is lesser between the number of years or five. So, in determining the compensation for a player signed to 49 million over 7 years you would divide 49 by 5, which equals 9.8.

 

[Oil Spill]

I don't think he's good in comparison to others in the league. I think he's better than RyJo, which increases his value.

No it does not, if one player is bad at something but slightly better than someone else who is just as bad how does that increase his value.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

When determining the number for compensation purposes, the total salary is divided either by whichever is lesser between the number of years or five. So, in determining the compensation for a player signed to 49 million over 7 years you would divide 49 by 5, which equals 9.8.

This is why said it only applies for a 7 year OS. It can obviously be structured to avoid that (i.e. 7 million for 6 years = 42. Divided by 5 = 8.4, which is of course less than 9.3).

No team has to really pay the 4 1sts unless they are up in the 9 million dollar ballpark.

 

[rosemount289]

Was he.................???

Bob Stauffer hinted on Inside sports earlier tonight that the avs and oilers could work something out with Tyson Barrie.
He was right about Larsson and Hall yesterday. Is Bob trying to give the fans some
heads up like he did with Hall?

Who would be going to Colorado?

Was Stauffer right???....................Bob throws out 20 names............and like spaghetti thrown against the wall........some are bound to stick.........if you do it enough time.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

This is why said it only applies for a 7 year OS. It can obviously be structured to avoid that (i.e. 7 million for 6 years = 42. Divided by 5 = 8.4, which is of course less than 9.3).

No team has to really pay the 4 1sts unless they are up in the 9 million dollar ballpark.

Apologies, I missed the previous comments. If you are going that route, it might be worth it to just offer something just above 7 million for 3 to 5 years and save a first round pick. Of course, the contract would eat up less UFA years, but it might be a shrewd risk for Edmonton.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Was Stauffer right???....................Bob throws out 20 names............and like spaghetti thrown against the wall........some are bound to stick.........if you do it enough time.

Does he really do that though? He speculates, but it isn't often that he says that he thinks certain players are involved.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

You can call Larsson a top pairing defensemen all you want, but he is not a #1 and wouldn't be a #2 on a lot of teams.

There's a reason New Jersey fans are jumping for joy over this trade.

Hall should have been traded for nothing less than a #1 defensemen, or for a #2 with a plus coming along with him.

Of Course the Oilers would rather a top 15-20 defender in the league but the reality is the market isn't bearing that luxury and Chia can't afford to sit around on his hands and wait for it to happen if it ever does. It was a steep price to pay but it had to be done and the team is better for it.

I'd bet that most people who know hockey would consider Larsson a top 50-60 defender in the league. Especially when you consider contract and age as he likely hasn't hit his ceiling yet. Most Swedish defenders his size tend to really hit their stride between 22-24 and Larsson has shown steady improvement in his last two seasons. It's unlikely he ever becomes a 50 pt all around defender but I see him more in the mold of a Hjalmarsson/Vlasic type.

 

[aemoreira1981]

Of Course the Oilers would rather a top 15-20 defender in the league but the reality is the market isn't bearing that luxury and Chia can't afford to sit around on his hands and wait for it to happen if it ever does. It was a steep price to pay but it had to be done and the team is better for it.

I'd bet that most people who know hockey would consider Larsson a top 50-60 defender in the league. Especially when you consider contract and age as he likely hasn't hit his ceiling yet. Most Swedish defenders his size tend to really hit their stride between 22-24 and Larsson has shown steady improvement in his last two seasons. It's unlikely he ever becomes a 50 pt all around defender but I see him more in the mold of a Hjalmarsson/Vlasic type.

This is why Edmonton fans will love Adam Larsson when they finally get to see him play. Larsson is someone who doesn't need to be sheltered and can be used in defensive situations and on the first penalty kill unit. I'll go so far as to say that Edmonton no longer has a need for Jason Demers as they have Larsson for 5 more years. He's just like Hjalmarsson...he is instantly the #2 or #3 defenseman on the Oilers right now. Chiarelli is trying to build a team rather than just throwing 18 skaters together. (To that end, I suspect that while they won't try to acquire Matt Dumba, they will offer sheet him at around $6M to put Minnesota in a cap crunch.)

BTW, it turns out that Jordan Eberle and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins were offered (individually) for Larsson, but Ray Shero only wanted Taylor Hall.

 

[Evocable Manager]

Parayko for McDavid

 

[Homesick]

This is why Edmonton fans will love Adam Larsson when they finally get to see him play. Larsson is someone who doesn't need to be sheltered and can be used in defensive situations and on the first penalty kill unit. I'll go so far as to say that Edmonton no longer has a need for Jason Demers as they have Larsson for 5 more years. He's just like Hjalmarsson...he is instantly the #2 or #3 defenseman on the Oilers right now. Chiarelli is trying to build a team rather than just throwing 18 skaters together. (To that end, I suspect that while they won't try to acquire Matt Dumba, they will offer sheet him at around $6M to put Minnesota in a cap crunch.)

BTW, it turns out that Jordan Eberle and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins were offered (individually) for Larsson, but Ray Shero only wanted Taylor Hall.

Link?

 

[mikeyp24]

BTW, it turns out that Jordan Eberle and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins were offered (individually) for Larsson, but Ray Shero only wanted Taylor Hall.

If true this is another time that players that fans here of EDM say are worth more then X player have been turned down by the other team when offered in real life. First was RNH for Jones when Nashville wanted more... now this.

I honestly want to know what eberles value is... I wouldn't even be able to think of a 1 for 1 deal that people would say is a fair value in a vacuum not thinking team needs just pure value. RNH you'd think still has decent value as a good top 4 D or a similar aged top 6 winger and a 2nd or 3rd round pick. But guys who were apparently worth so much here are showing to not actually hold this value out there.

 

[smackdaddy]

If true this is another time that players that fans here of EDM say are worth more then X player have been turned down by the other team when offered in real life. First was RNH for Jones when Nashville wanted more... now this.

I honestly want to know what eberles value is... I wouldn't even be able to think of a 1 for 1 deal that people would say is a fair value in a vacuum not thinking team needs just pure value. RNH you'd think still has decent value as a good top 4 D or a similar aged top 6 winger and a 2nd or 3rd round pick. But guys who were apparently worth so much here are showing to not actually hold this value out there.

NJD had no reason to trade Larsson and that's why it took Hall to turn their heads

 

[KCC]

Of course he's not done. The hall trade is a small part of an even bigger picture. Although in the end no matter what he does hall,was worth way more than what he got that was the market though. Crazy

 

[MessierII]

I don't understand how you are qualified to judge this move. There is never a fair return for a player like Hall. Look at Kessel to Pitts, Kesler to Ana, O'reiley to Col. The only difference is that the oilers felt they didn't need any other minor pieces if it meant they could get the player they were after. It was only a few short years ago when Larsson was the number one proespect leading up to the draft. There was a lot of shock he dropped to number 4 that year. So now fast forward to 5 years of development time later and he is just turning into the player that he was projected to be and is some how a lesser piece?

This deal is a lot like the Ozolinish deal for Owen Nolan. The sharks were gettin the better player but Colorado was still a a better team after the deal, because they dealt from a position of strength to fill a major need.

That's a good comparison

 

[Lemmiwinks]

No player is as valuable as hf thinks. Most valuations are completely laughable.

Well Larsson turned out to be much more valuable than hf thought

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

After the Hall trade I bet all 29 GM are trying to get through and make a deal with Chiarelli...

 

[Why]

Well Larsson turned out to be much more valuable than hf thought

So in reality, we robbed NJ in the trade!!!! Is that how it works??

 

[The Madrigal]

Wouldn't be surprised to see Mark Streit go to the Oilers if they can't get someone like Shattenkirk or Barrie.

 

[vendetta]

Wouldn't be surprised to see Mark Streit go to the Oilers if they can't get someone like Shattenkirk or Barrie.

I was thinking wisnewski

 

[Syckle78]

Well Larsson turned out to be much more valuable than hf thought

Lol I suppose so. Guess even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

 

[Mr Positive]

Link?

Shero was on Oilers Now today and said that it was Hall or nothing, or something to that effect. He spent time pumping up Larsson's tires as well. (EDIT: Never mind, I just skimmed through the interview and he didn't say that, but gave that impression)

 

[Shadow Flyer]

It's unlikely he ever becomes a 50 pt all around defender but I see him more in the mold of a Hjalmarsson/Vlasic type.

This is a really good projection of Larsson, in my opinion.

I know everyone is going bat**** crazy over the value here, but I think Oiler fans are going to absolutely love this kids game. He's not a guy who will wow you on the stat sheet, but he is going to win you hockey games.

Chia has his warts, but he's not the boob he's being made out to be right now.

 

[gordonhught]

That's a good comparison

I agree. This is bang on.

 

[dookers9]

Pretty sure everyone knows that the Oilers are a better, more balanced team as a result of the trade. It's just hard to believe that Larsson was the absolute best return that they could have gotten for one of the best LWers in the league who's 25 years old.

Wow. Insightful, objective post from a Canucks fan.

I like it. I think it's totally bang on.