Rumor: Peter Chiarelli is not done?

[dookers9]

This is a really good projection of Larsson, in my opinion.

I know everyone is going bat**** crazy over the value here, but I think Oiler fans are going to absolutely love this kids game. He's not a guy who will wow you on the stat sheet, but he is going to win you hockey games.

Chia has his warts, but he's not the boob he's being made out to be right now.

Good summary.

Oilers fans are letting their hearts dictate their posts right now. Hall was a fan favourite and many saw him as the/a centrepiece of a return to glory.

Fact: Larsson does not equal Hall. But unbalanced, putrid blueline play does not equal playoffs, either.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

If true this is another time that players that fans here of EDM say are worth more then X player have been turned down by the other team when offered in real life. First was RNH for Jones when Nashville wanted more... now this.

I honestly want to know what eberles value is... I wouldn't even be able to think of a 1 for 1 deal that people would say is a fair value in a vacuum not thinking team needs just pure value. RNH you'd think still has decent value as a good top 4 D or a similar aged top 6 winger and a 2nd or 3rd round pick. But guys who were apparently worth so much here are showing to not actually hold this value out there.

To be fair to RNH he's a better overall player than Taylor Hall.

 

[iCanada]

Shero was on Oilers Now today and said that it was Hall or nothing, or something to that effect. He spent time pumping up Larsson's tires as well. (EDIT: Never mind, I just skimmed through the interview and he didn't say that, but gave that impression)

He pretty much did.

Said he didn't want to trade Larsson, it was Hall or McDavid or the deal doesn't get done.

He also said he feels like he took a tremendous risk, because the hole Larsson leaves on his team is incredible and it will be impossible for him to fill.

The Oilers lost the trade IMO, but we did get a very good player in a position we sorely needed a good player.

 

[Shadow Flyer]

Good summary.

Oilers fans are letting their hearts dictate their posts right now. Hall was a fan favourite and many saw him as the/a centrepiece of a return to glory.

Fact: Larsson does not equal Hall. But unbalanced, putrid blueline play does not equal playoffs, either.

Right, I get why Oilers fans feel a bit uneasy. And I do believe Chia overpaid a bit, but I'm not sure how anyone can be surprised at that, all things considered.

This isn't a trade that you make in fantasy hockey, because fantasy hockey is all about stats. The NHL is all about winning hockey games and, in order to win, you need balance. The Oilers took a step closer to balance and, if they start winning, no one will give a damn that they traded Hall for Larsson.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Can someone explain why Chiarelli took another forward with his 2nd pick (#32) rather than drafting a blueliner this past draft?

The BPA (best player available) strategy goes against what Chiarelli just did with the Hall for Larson (losing a higher valued player for a lesser one to fill a hole)...drafting blueliners should be #1 on the Oilers list (and lots of them).

People need to look at the larger picture and his track record; it's not impressive in his most recent moves...hence why most of the Hockey world is frowning on this trade.

Also, he just displayed his weakness on conducting a trade; and the other 29 GM's now are salivating.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Right, I get why Oilers fans feel a bit uneasy. And I do believe Chia overpaid a bit, but I'm not sure how anyone can be surprised at that, all things considered.

This isn't a trade that you make in fantasy hockey, because fantasy hockey is all about stats. The NHL is all about winning hockey games and, in order to win, you need balance. The Oilers took a step closer to balance and, if they start winning, no one will give a damn that they traded Hall for Larsson.

Hall is the bigger name with a higher skillset but he was frustrating to watch at times.

I say this as for all Hall's offensive gifts he never scored 30 goals and everyone knows he's average defensively. He's great for overall 5v5 production but never quite got the powerplay production one would expect of a player of his calibre.

Obviously for all his faults he's still an excellent asset and I wish him well in Jersey.

 

[Blitzago*]

Can someone explain why Chiarelli took another forward with his 2nd pick (#32) rather than drafting a blueliner this past draft?

The BPA (best player available) strategy goes against what Chiarelli just did with the Hall for Larson (losing a higher valued player for a lesser one to fill a hole)...drafting blueliners should be #1 on the Oilers list (and lots of them).

People need to look at the larger picture and his track record; it's not impressive in his most recent moves...hence why most of the Hockey world is frowning on this trade.

Also, he just displayed his weakness on conducting a trade; and the other 29 GM's now are salivating.

The oilers have a ton of blueliner prospects and the player they got has first round talent

 

[Shadow Flyer]

Hall is the bigger name with a higher skillset but he was frustrating to watch at times.

I say this as for all Hall's offensive gifts he never scored 30 goals and everyone knows he's average defensively. He's great for overall 5v5 production but never quite got the powerplay production one would expect of a player of his calibre.

Obviously for all his faults he's still an excellent asset and I wish him well in Jersey.

In all honesty, I've never been enamored with Hall's game. No question he has an elite skill set. His talent is off the charts and he plays with great effort. I've just always felt his game translated more to the stat sheet than to winning hockey games. I'm not trying to bash the kid, but I think his worth is overstated on these boards. I'm sure I will take heat for that assessment, but I stand by it.

I've seen quite a bit of Larsson. Love his game. You won't notice him on the ice (or stat sheet) like you do Hall, but considering the position he plays, that's not really a bad thing. And he's getting better, I can assure you.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Can someone explain why Chiarelli took another forward with his 2nd pick (#32) rather than drafting a blueliner this past draft?

The BPA (best player available) strategy goes against what Chiarelli just did with the Hall for Larson (losing a higher valued player for a lesser one to fill a hole)...drafting blueliners should be #1 on the Oilers list (and lots of them).

People need to look at the larger picture and his track record; it's not impressive in his most recent moves...hence why most of the Hockey world is frowning on this trade.

Also, he just displayed his weakness on conducting a trade; and the other 29 GM's now are salivating.

Defensemen take years to develop and the team needs top end blue liners now. Oilers prospect pool is stocked at defense with Nurse, Reinhart, Oesterle, Jones, Bear, Paigin. The forward pool is not as strong.

Also Benson had a tough year with injuries but he has been highly touted for years and very well could of been a top 10-15 pick had he been healthy this season.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Nurse is already in the NHL, Reinhart is a bust.

That leaves 4 others and of those 4 only 2 have some hype to them; why draft another forward with your 2nd pick....still makes no sense. The Hall/Larsson trade just shows you you can never have enough blueliners in the system...Oilers management seems to be obsessed with forwards especially wingers...

Defensemen take years to develop and the team needs top end blue liners now. Oilers prospect pool is stocked at defense with Nurse, Reinhart, Oesterle, Jones, Bear, Paigin. The forward pool is not as strong.

Also Benson had a tough year with injuries but he has been highly touted for years and very well could of been a top 10-15 pick had he been healthy this season.

 

[Canuck86]

I would Hope he isnt done....he has made 1 trade where he seemingly overpaid. Still has loads of assets to get creative and make more moves.

Likely gives Demers a nice contract offer and I would assume Lucic all but agreed to sign their before they decided to move Hall, atleast that would make sense to a degree on why they made the Hall trade.

 

[Seedling]

Can someone explain why Chiarelli took another forward with his 2nd pick (#32) rather than drafting a blueliner this past draft?

The BPA (best player available) strategy goes against what Chiarelli just did with the Hall for Larson (losing a higher valued player for a lesser one to fill a hole)...drafting blueliners should be #1 on the Oilers list (and lots of them).

People need to look at the larger picture and his track record; it's not impressive in his most recent moves...hence why most of the Hockey world is frowning on this trade.

Also, he just displayed his weakness on conducting a trade; and the other 29 GM's now are salivating.

We still need depth forwards and getting Benson at 32, who was a top ten pick at the start of the year, he could be this year's Galchenyuk. You have to take that guy. We also go Niemellainen with the next pick who should have been taken in the second round. We also took 3 more D with size and mobility. So we got the best D that was available at 32 in the next round and got a steal with Benson. What's your point again?

Currently we have two D men we drafted in the first round over the last few years in the lineup and two in later rounds. Nurse, Klefbom, Oesterle, Davidson a re all our picks. We also have Musil, Simpson and Laleggia in the minors as well as Betker, and Jones. Bear will get signed soon too, same with Paigan. We also have Reinhart from last year's trade, who is developing well and will be a player very soon at the NHL level. Should we do 100% D draft picks? Get your facts straight. You look like a complete moron.

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/roster.htm?type=prospect

 

[Canuck86]

We still need depth forwards and getting Benson at 32, who was a top ten pick at the start of the year, he could be this year's Galchenyuk. You have to take that guy. We also go Niettenan with the next pick who should have been taken in the second round. We also took 3 more D with size and mobility. So we got the best D that was available at 32 in the next round and got a steal with Benson. What's your point again?

You should be okay on D, you have younger D in Klefbom, Nurse and Reinhart and now Larsson sure most are very unproven, but mix them in with Sekera and say a Demers or Polak signing and your D core isnt terrible, far from elite but youth should get better with experience with the right mentoring and guidance.

I think Edm could make a couple more trades and FA signings and really overhaul the team. McDavid finally is a #1 overall pick that will help your team and not make them the laughing stock of the league anymore

 

[Seedling]

You should be okay on D, you have younger D in Klefbom, Nurse and Reinhart and now Larsson sure most are very unproven, but mix them in with Sekera and say a Demers or Polak signing and your D core isnt terrible, far from elite but youth should get better with experience with the right mentoring and guidance.

I think Edm could make a couple more trades and FA signings and really overhaul the team. McDavid finally is a #1 overall pick that will help your team and not make them the laughing stock of the league anymore

Honestly, I'm really comfy with our D, especially after the trade. Klefbom has just as high of a ceiling as Larsson, likely higher. If we add a guy like Demers, we have a very good D. Not elite, but good enough to make a charge at the playoffs. Hall was a good player but his goals can be easily replaced with Lucic and more mobility from the D. The D will also let less in. If we can get Hutton as a backup/tandem, that's more wins there too. McDavid for a whole year, Ebs too, RNH too (fingers crossed). We're fine. I find it funny all the hate for the Oilers. It's like posters are afraid we are now turning the corner. Clearly most of them don't know the first thing about what's been going on here the last two years. It's on the verge of something very good and tomorrow will be a big first step towards that. I'm stoked.

 

[Canuck86]

Honestly, I'm really comfy with our D, especially after the trade. Klefbom has just as high of a ceiling as Larsson, likely higher. If we add a guy like Demers, we have a very good D. Not elite, but good enough to make a charge at the playoffs. Hall was a good player but his goals can be easily replaced with Lucic and more mobility from the D. The D will also let less in. If we can get Hutton as a backup/tandem, that's more wins there too. McDavid for a whole year, Ebs too, RNH too (fingers crossed). We're fine. I find it funny all the hate for the Oilers. It's like posters are afraid we are now turning the corner. Clearly most of them don't know the first thing about what's been going on here the last two years. It's on the verge of something very good and tomorrow will be a big first step towards that. I'm stoked.

Yes Oiler fans should be more excited about tomorrow, but Canuck fans should NOT be when we are look at 30 plus yr old vets who want decent term and cap $....but it always sounds like the bottom line is playoff revenue and profit for the owners, not about what is best for the team.

Myself I want the Canucks to lose out on a couple of the more sought after forwards and buy low and less term on 1 or 2 players instead

 

[Seedling]

Yes Oiler fans should be more excited about tomorrow, but Canuck fans should NOT be when we are look at 30 plus yr old vets who want decent term and cap $....but it always sounds like the bottom line is playoff revenue and profit for the owners, not about what is best for the team.

Myself I want the Canucks to lose out on a couple of the more sought after forwards and buy low and less term on 1 or 2 players instead

The plan there seems questionable to me. Building on the fly is what they say but they should be moving out all those old guys, who still have great value, and getting a bunch of good young talent in. You're right though, I don't think ownership has any appetite for it. The longer they wait, the worse it looks IMO. They are not a playoff team at all. I think they will swing for the fences and try to get Eriksson, but he's not stupid. I think he signs someplace else.

 

[hamzarocks]

Out of Original 4 core players only one remains. H.O.P.E has been shortened to only eberle. Though they got rnh, McDavid, Drai, and Pulji so it's not that bad, plus there team is much better now than back in 2010. Just need another catchy acronym for there forwards.

 

[Crabapple]

Out of Original 4 core players only one remains. H.O.P.E has been shortened to only eberle. Though they got rnh, McDavid, Drai, and Pulji so it's not that bad, plus there team is much better now than back in 2010. Just need another catchy acronym for there forwards.

(M)cDavid (E)berle (N)uge (D)raisaitl

MEND the rebuild

 

[dookers9]

Can someone explain why Chiarelli took another forward with his 2nd pick (#32) rather than drafting a blueliner this past draft?

The BPA (best player available) strategy goes against what Chiarelli just did with the Hall for Larson (losing a higher valued player for a lesser one to fill a hole)...drafting blueliners should be #1 on the Oilers list (and lots of them).

People need to look at the larger picture and his track record; it's not impressive in his most recent moves...hence why most of the Hockey world is frowning on this trade.

Also, he just displayed his weakness on conducting a trade; and the other 29 GM's now are salivating.

Nurse is already in the NHL, Reinhart is a bust.

That leaves 4 others and of those 4 only 2 have some hype to them; why draft another forward with your 2nd pick....still makes no sense. The Hall/Larsson trade just shows you you can never have enough blueliners in the system...Oilers management seems to be obsessed with forwards especially wingers...

There's no doubt that the Oilers would have done well in having grabbed the likes of Murray over Yakupov, for instance. And they have - to date, anyway - failed to obtain legitimate dmen through trade. That's the past. They missed a chance to make moves to bolster their blueline in previous years.

But you simply don't pass on a consensus top 3 pick, regardless of his position, when you have a surprise shot at him at 4th. And obviously, there's now a willingness to make the moves that will bring immediate change. The future is now for Edmonton, has been for awhile, but especially is now.

Given the rankings of the better dmen in this draft, they'd have taken time the Oilers simply don't have. Not to mention their record of under-developing dmen in their system. It sucks that they feel a need to obtain dmen from other systems, but I suppose you do what you need to do.

 

[nostalrius]

I said it once and I'll say it again: this was a good hockey trade. It meets both team's needs and thus both will benefit. I don't usually put much stock in plus/minus as it's more of a team stat, but it sort of sticks out like a sore thumb when you're one of only two defenseman on your team with a positive rating. I wish Hall all the best as well and hope he finds his groove in Jersey. He was floundering a bit in Edmonton and seemed to regress in recent years (though the injuries haven't helped).

Fun little factoid: Edmonton now has a Swedish defense pairing w/ identical cap-hits, and an odd figure at that (4.167m per).

 

[Kimota]

Can someone explain why Chiarelli took another forward with his 2nd pick (#32) rather than drafting a blueliner this past draft?

The BPA (best player available) strategy goes against what Chiarelli just did with the Hall for Larson (losing a higher valued player for a lesser one to fill a hole)...drafting blueliners should be #1 on the Oilers list (and lots of them).

People need to look at the larger picture and his track record; it's not impressive in his most recent moves...hence why most of the Hockey world is frowning on this trade.

Also, he just displayed his weakness on conducting a trade; and the other 29 GM's now are salivating.

Look at it this way, drafting a forward allowed them to trade Hall for an established D.

And they may do so again.

Eberle for Shattenkirk wouldn't be bad.

 

[Seedling]

Look at it this way, drafting a forward allowed them to trade Hall for an established D.

And they may do so again.

Eberle for Shattenkirk wouldn't be bad.

It would be terrific provided he extends first.

 

[dookers9]

I said it once and I'll say it again: this was a good hockey trade[. It meets both team's needs and thus both will benefit. I don't usually put much stock in plus/minus as it's more of a team stat, but it sort of sticks out like a sore thumb when you're one of only two defenseman on your team with a positive rating. I wish Hall all the best as well and hope he finds his groove in Jersey. He was floundering a bit in Edmonton and seemed to regress in recent years (though the injuries haven't helped).

Fun little factoid: Edmonton now has a Swedish defense pairing w/ identical cap-hits, and an odd figure at that (4.167m per).

Yep. It'll all come out in the wash. But it does confirm the value of competent blueliners. And in turn, it's been a hard pill to swallow in losing Hallsie.

 

[McFlyingV]

I said it once and I'll say it again: this was a good hockey trade. It meets both team's needs and thus both will benefit. I don't usually put much stock in plus/minus as it's more of a team stat, but it sort of sticks out like a sore thumb when you're one of only two defenseman on your team with a positive rating. I wish Hall all the best as well and hope he finds his groove in Jersey. He was floundering a bit in Edmonton and seemed to regress in recent years (though the injuries haven't helped).

Fun little factoid: Edmonton now has a Swedish defense pairing w/ identical cap-hits, and an odd figure at that (4.167m per).

Actually Klefbom's is 4167000, Larsson's is 4166666, but close enough haha. Throw Talbot in there too, he's got the identical cap hit of Larsson.

 

[McFlyingV]

Look at it this way, drafting a forward allowed them to trade Hall for an established D.

And they may do so again.

Eberle for Shattenkirk wouldn't be bad.

STL won't like this, they need help at centre. Although I don't think Shattenkirks coming here anyways.