Rumor: Peter Chiarelli is not done?

[Orca Whalers]

People defending this trade as a win-win for both teams are out of their minds. Edmonton got the short end of the stick. Did Edmonton desperately need to acquire a D, yes but not at the expense of your 2nd best player or 1st before Mcdavid arrived. Larsson's not even a top pairing D don't get me wrong he's not bad but c'mon. If I'm an Oilers fan I'd be downright pee'd off. At the very least it should have been Larsson + high pick/top prospect
Edmonton should have traded Eberle + for Larsson as that makes more sense
I'm of the belief there would have been other teams that would made better offers for Hall 100%. I would have offered Edler/ Hansen + Pick for Hallsy

 

[hamzarocks]

(M)cDavid (E)berle (N)uge (D)raisaitl

MEND the rebuild

Ha Nice. This one has a generational talent, a slightly underage winger, a solid 2 way center who can still imo be a num 1, and a big num 2 center who is looking more promising than pajarvi or omark ever were. Add in Puljiarvi and they might be able to replace hall. I don't like the hall trade itself as hall should get more. However the Oilers are getting close to becoming a playoff team and larsonn is a top 4 dmen. Hope he has succsess for you guys.

 

[Jephman]

People defending this trade as a win-win for both teams are out of their minds. Edmonton got the short end of the stick. Did Edmonton desperately need to acquire a D, yes but not at the expense of your 2nd best player or 1st before Mcdavid arrived. Larsson's not even a top pairing D don't get me wrong he's not bad but c'mon. If I'm an Oilers fan I'd be downright pee'd off. At the very least it should have been Larsson + high pick/top prospect
Edmonton should have traded Eberle + for Larsson as that makes more sense
I'm of the belief there would have been other teams that would made better offers for Hall 100%. I would have offered Edler/ Hansen + Pick for Hallsy

Gee if only you were the Oilers GM! I bet Chiarelli wasn't smart enough to offer Eberle or RNH before Hall!

What other offers were out there? Keep in mind the Oil weren't looking for a package, they wanted the best right handed defenseman out there. So tell me, which other team could offer that? (Keeping in mind Shattenkirk vetoed the Edmonton trade and NYI said no to Hall for Hamonic).

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Nurse is already in the NHL, Reinhart is a bust.

That leaves 4 others and of those 4 only 2 have some hype to them; why draft another forward with your 2nd pick....still makes no sense. The Hall/Larsson trade just shows you you can never have enough blueliners in the system...Oilers management seems to be obsessed with forwards especially wingers...

Reinhart is 22 years old, I think it's a little early to proclaim him a bust. Now he likely won't live up to #4 overall but he has great tools, skating needs some work but he has size, thinks the game incredibly well and is very poised.

But seriously keep making statements like that, it really makes you seem like you know what you're talking about.

 

[Donuts]

Sbisa for rnh next

 

[chunkylover53]

Reinhart is 22 years old, I think it's a little early to proclaim him a bust. Now he likely won't live up to #4 overall but he has great tools, skating needs some work but he has size, thinks the game incredibly well and is very poised.

But seriously keep making statements like that, it really makes you seem like you know what you're talking about.

I mean he's close to that...I'd give him one more year before I make a call on it, because if you struggle to make the NHL while the threat of waivers is there...you probably aren't that good.

 

[57special]

He pretty much did.

Said he didn't want to trade Larsson, it was Hall or McDavid or the deal doesn't get done.

He also said he feels like he took a tremendous risk, because the hole Larsson leaves on his team is incredible and it will be impossible for him to fill.

The Oilers lost the trade IMO, but we did get a very good player in a position we sorely needed a good player.

I think this trade won't be nearly as bad as the Oiler's fans think. They still have tons of elite or near elite talent up front...all they need is one accomplished middle six vet with some size, and MAYBE a good fourth liner.

They need at least one more top4 Blueliner. No need to gut their front line...they can sign A FA, but if a Dman is there for the taking in trade they should consider it. Larsson might not score a lot of points, but he can handle the puck and make a pass. He is not some crease clearer from the Stone Age who only knows how to dump the puck out, and in.

NJ might appear to have won this trade in the next couple of years, but I'm guessing that 5-6 years from now EDM will be just fine with it.

 

[russ99]

This may be a bit of a troll post, but it seems the most people indignant about this trade are the ones who don't want the Oilers to get better so they can continue to be the butt of jokes.

The rest are Oilers fans who either want their scorers cake and eat it too or think that we should be like the 80s again - and who don't realize that defense wins championships in today's NHL.

This trade makes us better, period. We overpayed, yes. We should have tried to move someone lesser than Hall, yes. The optics don't look good.

But the end result is more wins for the Oilers with plenty of scoring forwards left. Painful but necessary.

 

[Ed Belfour]

This may be a bit of a troll post, but it seems the most people indignant about this trade are the ones who don't want the Oilers to get better so they can continue to be the butt of jokes.

The rest are Oilers fans who either want their scorers cake and eat it too or think that we should be like the 80s again - and who don't realize that defense wins championships in today's NHL.

This trade makes us better, period. We overpayed, yes. We should have tried to move someone lesser than Hall, yes. But the end result is more wins for the Oilers.

Painful but necessary.

Gotta agree with this. There's two different arguments being combined into one here it seems. On one hand, yes they clearly overpaid in terms of perceived value. Pretty obvious there. But on the other hand, I believe having Larsson back there playing 22+ minutes a game will lead to a lot more wins than Hall on wing. Especially with Pulj and probably Lucic coming on board.

 

[HBK27]

People defending this trade as a win-win for both teams are out of their minds. Edmonton got the short end of the stick. Did Edmonton desperately need to acquire a D, yes but not at the expense of your 2nd best player or 1st before Mcdavid arrived. Larsson's not even a top pairing D don't get me wrong he's not bad but c'mon. If I'm an Oilers fan I'd be downright pee'd off. At the very least it should have been Larsson + high pick/top prospect
Edmonton should have traded Eberle + for Larsson as that makes more sense
I'm of the belief there would have been other teams that would made better offers for Hall 100%. I would have offered Edler/ Hansen + Pick for Hallsy

Honestly, the Devils were never going to add to Larsson to get this deal done. Yes, this deal does favor the Devils but Larsson + a 1st round pick or Zacha/McLeod would’ve been on overpayment by the Devils.

They were not looking to move Larsson. It had to be a deal like this for them to pull the trigger. Eberle+ does not get a deal done. It was Hall or nothing.

I don’t know that the Oilers will ever necessarily “win†this trade, but give it 2-3 seasons and if the team is winning and Larsson is playing a big role (22-25 minutes a night against the toughest competition, solidifying the PK, contributing 30-40 points), I think Oiler fans will be OK with this deal.

 

[Greg Schuler]

People defending this trade as a win-win for both teams are out of their minds. Edmonton got the short end of the stick. Did Edmonton desperately need to acquire a D, yes but not at the expense of your 2nd best player or 1st before Mcdavid arrived. Larsson's not even a top pairing D don't get me wrong he's not bad but c'mon. If I'm an Oilers fan I'd be downright pee'd off. At the very least it should have been Larsson + high pick/top prospect
Edmonton should have traded Eberle + for Larsson as that makes more sense
I'm of the belief there would have been other teams that would made better offers for Hall 100%. I would have offered Edler/ Hansen + Pick for Hallsy

That is incorrect. In Chiarelli's eyes, the best offer was Hall for Larsson. Therefore, Hall is worth Larsson. You can disagree with that assessment, but the facts are such. As for your offer, Edler is older than Larsson and Hansen is a redundant part on the Oilers. Edmonton does not need picks, either, they need NHL Players. If I was in Edmonton, I would counter Tanev and Boeser for Hall, and you'd turn that down. See how it works? Back and forth. Values fluctuate based on team needs and availability. It is as simple and complex as that.

Larsson is going to be interesting. How much of his success is due to Andy Greene and the system the Devils play? He was a very high draft pick himself, so there was talent and potential. In fact, New Jersey has a huge hole on their blueline - Greene is a legit top pairing defender, but after that...it gets murky.

 

[57special]

Does anyone think that NJ might have made a mistake with this deal? They drafted a forward with their first pick, and have added Hall, but is it possible that they have shot themselves in the foot by trading away a young Top 4 Dman?

Isn't it also possible that Hall will not be able to adjust to NJ's buttoned down style of defensively responsible hockey, and end up being a high end Yakupov, while Larsson & Klefbom end up anchoring the EDM defence for years to come?

 

[Umingmak]

Stauffer's shownis the worst radio show in Edmonton. All he ever does is blow hot air.

Keep in mind that, during the lead-up to the Larsson trade, he kept saying that the "21 minute/game player could be had for a very reasonable price".

Yeah, if your best/second best player is considered a "reasonable price".

 

[WesMcCauley]

This may be a bit of a troll post, but it seems the most people indignant about this trade are the ones who don't want the Oilers to get better so they can continue to be the butt of jokes.

The rest are Oilers fans who either want their scorers cake and eat it too or think that we should be like the 80s again - and who don't realize that defense wins championships in today's NHL.

This trade makes us better, period. We overpayed, yes. We should have tried to move someone lesser than Hall, yes. The optics don't look good.

But the end result is more wins for the Oilers with plenty of scoring forwards left. Painful but necessary.

I dont think Edm is better. You get a #4 defensemen for an elite winger. Larsson isnt anything more than a top 4D. 18 points and his advanced stats doesnt say he is anything more than a #4. I also watched NJ a good amount of time this season as a NYR fan and he isnt close to a top defensemen. If you have him on the top pair, that isnt a very good sign unless you have a Doughty/Karlsson/pietreangelo etc next to him. Devils robbed Edm which for a NYR fan isnt excatly what i want...

 

[HBK27]

Does anyone think that NJ might have made a mistake with this deal? They drafted a forward with their first pick, and have added Hall, but is it possible that they have shot themselves in the foot by trading away a young Top 4 Dman?

Isn't it also possible that Hall will not be able to adjust to NJ's buttoned down style of defensively responsible hockey, and end up being a high end Yakupov, while Larsson & Klefbom end up anchoring the EDM defence for years to come?

No – Hall is a special player and as much as I hate to see Larsson go, it’s a deal they have to make.

Santini is a natural replacement for Larsson - will be a tough, defensive minded defenseman that can handle the PK minutes. He’s still only 21 though, but should make the Devils after signing his ELC at the end of last season.

Severson likely goes to the top pairing with Greene, where he had a lot of success two seasons ago. Have to remember that he’s still only 21 as well (will be 22 to start the season).

The Devils also have Josh Jacobs in their system, who is a 20 year old right handed defenseman that is progressing nicely. In the meantime, Vojtech Mozik is a 23 year old right handed defenseman that came over to North America last year and projects to compete for a spot on the Devils this upcoming season.

While Mozik and Jacobs are still no sure things yet, the Devils had a right handed defense chart of Larsson, Severson, Santini, Mozik & Jacobs. It was a position of strength for them – one that was going to have to give sooner or later to acquire help on offense.

As far as any notion that Hall can’t adjust to the Devils style of play – ending up as a high end Yakupov? Beyond ridiculous statement. Kovalchuck adjusted very well (especially defensively), as did Palmieri, Cammalleri, Smith-Pelley, Stempniak, etc. They play a fast paced system that is perfect for what Hall brings.

 

[McIce Whole]

Stauffer's shownis the worst radio show in Edmonton. All he ever does is blow hot air.

Keep in mind that, during the lead-up to the Larsson trade, he kept saying that the "21 minute/game player could be had for a very reasonable price".

Yeah, if your best/second best player is considered a "reasonable price".

To be fair, he was talking about Larsson's cap hit and not that Hall for Larsson was a reasonable price.

 

[Johnny McBravo]

Just preparing myself for further embarrassment today.

 

[Jakey53]

Gee if only you were the Oilers GM! I bet Chiarelli wasn't smart enough to offer Eberle or RNH before Hall!

What other offers were out there? Keep in mind the Oil weren't looking for a package, they wanted the best right handed defenseman out there. So tell me, which other team could offer that? (Keeping in mind Shattenkirk vetoed the Edmonton trade and NYI said no to Hall for Hamonic).

Maybe it should have been a package. Regardless, there should have bee a big +.

 

[oil slick]

Maybe it should have been a package. Regardless, there should have bee a big +.

Or Shero could have just said no - not interested in Eberle.

 

[tony d]

Got to think Edmonton will get another defenseman. Barrie would be a good fit for them.

 

[jcfogerty]

Bob Stauffer hinted on Inside sports earlier tonight that the avs and oilers could work something out with Tyson Barrie.
He was right about Larsson and Hall yesterday. Is Bob trying to give the fans some
heads up like he did with Hall?

Who would be going to Colorado?

After the Hall deal, he should be unemployed

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

TSN they are saying that Barrie to Oilers could happen. Said that they will have to give up one of the top forwards and a dman.... RNH/Eberle and Nurse??? who knows

 

[Sweetpotato]

TSN they are saying that Barrie to Oilers could happen. Said that they will have to give up one of the top forwards and a dman.... RNH/Eberle and Nurse??? who knows

I'd be fine with Eberle+Nurse, but if it's RNH+Nurse for an RFA I'll be livid, unless it's RNH+Nurse++ for Landeskog+Barrie.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I'd be fine with Eberle+Nurse, but if it's RNH+Nurse for an RFA I'll be livid, unless it's RNH+Nurse++ for Landeskog+Barrie.

haha I highly doubt that would happen unless those ++'s are HUGE additions

 

[Why]

Does Nuge for Barrie get it done? Obviously assuming Barrie re-ups for a decent (somewhat) value

Edit: Do not want to trade Nuge AT ALL, unless its for Barrie