Perron suspended 6 games for crosscheck to the face on Zub - Mod warning Post #590

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

It was a minor at most. The collision with Parker Kelly is what seemed to cause the damage.

Hockey is a fast-paced game and unfortunately freak plays and injuries happen. That doesn't mean we should suspend someone for something they did 2 years ago.

Where exactly was I calling for suspending someone for something that happened 2 years ago?

 

[Korpse]

So in other words treat Perrons actions without context, maybe you should dish out the disclipline to Perron then that sounds fair and objective.

And once again I say this as someone who thinks that Perron should get suspended.

You can use context if you like, I don’t think it supports his actions, makes it indefensible if anything. I don’t have an issue with that however that’s not what you are doing. Maybe make a thread about Joseph if that’s what you want to discuss.

 

[TS Quint]

I suspect Red Wing fans will ease up in the upcoming days, weeks, months, and years. Like the poster above said, hopefully this doesn’t become a Bertuzzi/Moore thing



It was a 2 minute routine penalty with an extremely unfortunate result and probably can’t be replicated. An act of god injury of sorts. Calling for blood or retribution for Joseph is unnecessary. I bet Larkin doesn’t hold anything against him and views it as a freak occurrence

Joseph has been dirty on Larkin before. I doubt Larkin forgives him a second time.

Both Sens players went after Larkin's head. One right behind the ear the other in the jaw. They knocked him out cold. It's an "unfortunate result" that was predictable by two players attacking Larkins head. There was no accidents here. No hockey play. They intended to hurt him and their mission was accomplished. Just straight dirty.

Perron will get what he gets. You can't allow cross checks to the head. That's just the cost of doing business.

 

[wetcoast]

Victim blaming is such a shit thing to do to try to justify a morons actions.

Do you even understand what victim blaming is?

I'm not blaming Zub here, its just common sense stop and think if someone is charging at you full speed what is your reaction?

Zubs first instinct is to expect that Perron would come at his head with a 2 arm cross check with his stick? You're reaching hard now.

You are right guy from opposite team with his team mate out cold on the ice surely was skating at him for what reason comes to mind exactly?

It's as if no one in hockey ever has taken a run at anyone so Zub certainly couldn't have expected anything right?

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

well at least they were concerned with Larkin, it was 2 Sens players assisting Wings medical team to Larkin, and 3 more signalling for help.
Refs after review got the calls right.

oh they were assisting the medical team now too? I'm pretty sure they were giving Larkin CPR and saved his life lol.

The scrum ties everyone up but Joseph. Then Raymond heads over to Larkin. Ghost is being prevented from getting to Larkin by two Sens players. Tkachuk is obviously so concerned with Larkin he's yapping at Raymond. but sure, keep pushing this narrative.

 

[The Expert]

Joseph has been dirty on Larkin before. I doubt Larkin forgives him a second time.

Both Sens players went after Larkin's head. One right behind the ear the other in the jaw. They knocked him out cold. It's an "unfortunate result" that was predictable by two players attacking Larkins head. There was no accidents here. No hockey play. They intended to hurt him and their mission was accomplished. Just straight dirty.

Perron will get what he gets. You can't allow cross checks to the head. That's just the cost of doing business.

You might be insane. Joseph shoves him from behind and Larkin falls into Parker Kelly. It's a nothing play that led to an unfortunate freak injury.

Saying Joseph and Kelly intended to hurt him is silly.

 

[Auston Marlander]

Hey you brought up the lack of class argument and your avatar fits.

Yes the Kelly contact causes the injury but how did Larkin get there?

But we can agree that the league won't do anything and Jospeh just happens to be around Larkin on 2 extremely dangerous plays but nothing to see here.


I'm not a "fan" of either team and a Canucks fan but more a fan of hockey but you got you like right?

Try to focus on the actual discussion and don't try to assume posters fandom.

That would be Incorrect.

You are looking for something that isn't there. Larkins injury was an accident, nothing more nothing less.

Perrons was malicious. He skates over to a player and with no outside factors crosschecked him in the side of the head.

 

[TkachukMyAho]

I suspect Red Wing fans will ease up in the upcoming days, weeks, months, and years. Like the poster above said, hopefully this doesn’t become a Bertuzzi/Moore thing



It was a 2 minute routine penalty with an extremely unfortunate result and probably can’t be replicated. An act of god injury of sorts. Calling for blood or retribution for Joseph is unnecessary. I bet Larkin doesn’t hold anything against him and views it as a freak occurrence

How dare you act illogical in the aftermath of this incident.

Agreed, unfortunate result on Larkin but you could replay that situation 1,000,000 times and it comes out clean 999,999 of them.

You can suspend Joseph based on the "results" of what happened, but it won't serve as any sort of educational suspension on what's allowed in-game. It's super unfortunate.

I also sympathize a bit with Perron - I've done some dumb shit on the ice too. He saw red, reacted without seeing the full picture and he will be penalized for it. We've all overreacted to something in our lives.

In short, life goes on, hope Larkin is ok and nothing major or long term. He's a heck of a player.

 

[Sayba]

That would be Incorrect.

You are looking for something that isn't there. Larkins injury was an accident, nothing more nothing less.

Perrons was malicious. He skates over to a player and with no outside factors crosschecked him in the side of the head.

If I hit you in the head but didn’t intend to injure you but you ended up injured would that be an accident?

 

[Silky Johnson]

when Perron goes after Zub, that starts off a hockey scrum. It was a scary injury for sure but we're talking about split second reactions here. But sure, go make the Sens players heroes.

That split second was enough time for several Senators players to see what was happening.

And to be clear, I think any human should have seen what was happening. Its less of praising the Sens and more condemning those DRW player.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

That split second was enough time for several Senators players to see what was happening.

And to be clear, I think any human should have seen what was happening. Its less of praising the Sens and more condemning those DRW player.

After Perron crosschecks Zub everyone gets tied up but Joseph. It's not like the Wings players are running around trying to fight players. They're there within seconds

After Raymond gets free he immediately heads to Larkin but is stopped by a Sens player. He gets free and is there within seconds. Ghost is being prevented too. Fabbri I think is out at the point and comes away with a cut to his cheek from a headlock I think. As I mentioned in another post, Tkachuk is obviously so concerned that he's being held back by a linesman as he yaps at Raymond.

Like I said, there's a larger conversation to be had about if players should focus on immediate retribution but there's nothing unprecedented here.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Edvinsson isn’t just talented there is a bit of mean there. He isn’t long
off.

Well at least there is something to hope for.

Maybe he can convince Ridley Grieg to not run your goalie before he tries to answer the bell with Tkachuk.

 

[wetcoast]

You can use context if you like, I don’t think it supports his actions, makes it indefensible if anything. I don’t have an issue with that however that’s not what you are doing.

What exactly am I doing since you seem to know?

It's pretty obvious that if people can stop back slapping about how concerned the Sens players were and the Red Wing players weren't (which is complete bullshit). that Perron at the 11 second make of that video sees his captain on the ice and Zub getting up from Larkin and makes a split second reactionary bad decision that he will and should get punished for.

 

[Golden_Jet]

oh they were assisting the medical team now too?

lol ya, they did, someone already posted a picture of it. First you were wrong about a crosscheck, now this,

Giroux leaves the Sens bench and escorts a trainer to Larkin. Tkachuk jumps off the bench and does the same.

Now which one of those 2 statements is wrong,

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

lol ya, they did, someone already posted a picture of it. First you were wrong about a crosscheck, now this,

Giroux leaves the Sens bench and escorts a trainer to Larkin. Tkachuk jumps off the bench and does the same.

Now which one of those 2 statements is wrong,

Dude. There is video evidence but keep pushing this false narrative that the Wings players ignored Larkin. It was a matter of seconds.

 

[Silky Johnson]

After Perron crosschecks Zub everyone gets tied up but Joseph. It's not like the Wings players are running around trying to fight players. They're there within seconds

After Raymond gets free he immediately heads to Larkin but is stopped by a Sens player. He gets free and is there within seconds. Ghost is being prevented too. Fabbri I think is out at the point and comes away with a cut to his cheek from a headlock I think. As I mentioned in another post, Tkachuk is obviously so concerned that he's being held back by a linesman as he yaps at Raymond.

Like I said, there's a larger conversation to be had about if players should focus on immediate retribution but there's nothing unprecedented here.

Watch the video again...

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Watch the video again...

I have. I'm just not making things up.

Had Perron not crosschecked Zub things likely would've been different. But that sets off a scrum so guys start grabbing guys.

Really this is too stupid to keep arguing. It's not enough the Perron cheapshots a guy but apparently the Sens need to be the heroes of the narrative for Larkin

 

[Korpse]

What exactly am I doing since you seem to know?

You are derailing the thread, go make another thread about how you think Joseph should be suspended.

 

[wetcoast]

That would be Incorrect.

No idea on that link dude.

seems like you are doing the first sentence in this next bit.

You are looking for something that isn't there. Larkins injury was an accident, nothing more nothing less.

Sure the Kelly contact was an accident but the Joseph hit to the back of the ehad is what put him in that position right?

Perrons was malicious.

You are right here

He skates over to a player and with no outside factors crosschecked him in the side of the head.

It's like he didn't see Zub getting up and his captain on the ice at the 11 second mark?

Get real here.

No one is saying that what Perron did was right in fact he should and will get punished but look at the tape and tell me that Larkin lying on the ice wasn't going through Perrons head?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Dude. There is video evidence but keep pushing this false narrative that the Wings players ignored Larkin. It was a matter of seconds.

Didn’t answer the question, obvious why,
just like I thought, you got nothing then.

How enjoying that Island Willis.

 

[wetcoast]

You are derailing the thread, go make another thread about how you think Joseph should be suspended.

You are right what happened to Larkin and Perron seeing Zub getting up from Larkin had nothing to do with Perrons actions...good grief Charlie Brown.

 

[Silky Johnson]

I have. I'm just not making things up.

Had Perron not crosschecked Zub things likely would've been different. But that sets off a scrum so guys start grabbing guys.

Really this is too stupid to keep arguing. It's not enough the Perron cheapshots a guy but apparently the Sens need to be the heroes of the narrative for Larkin

Yes this is stupid. And you are the one using the term hero. I say they acted reasonable and a couple DRW made the situation worse and potentially more dangerous for Larkin.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Dude. There is video evidence but keep pushing this false narrative that the Wings players ignored Larkin. It was a matter of seconds.

Nice triples down with nothing lol.
All you have is emojis as replies.

 

[The Expert]

I predict Perron gets 5 games.

Wings next 5 games: @Stars, @Blues, vs. Canes, @Flyers, vs. Ducks.

Not the worst schedule but might have to call up a couple forwards.

 

[wetcoast]

Joseph has been dirty on Larkin before. I doubt Larkin forgives him a second time.

Both Sens players went after Larkin's head. One right behind the ear the other in the jaw. They knocked him out cold. It's an "unfortunate result" that was predictable by two players attacking Larkins head. There was no accidents here. No hockey play. They intended to hurt him and their mission was accomplished. Just straight dirty.

Perron will get what he gets. You can't allow cross checks to the head. That's just the cost of doing business.

Kelly has zero blame here the injury wasn't his fault.