Salary Cap: Pens Salary Thread: Pens Ownership "Dubas... that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some waiver players in there."
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Darren McCord
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Jake played 78 games last year
Geno played 82
Crosby played 82
Rust played 81
Rakell played 78
Zucker played 78
This year so far
Crosby missed 0
Geno missed 0
Jake has missed 8
Rust has missed 16
Rakell has missed 12
Smith has missed 6
Thats 13 games missed in the top 6 last year.
This year they are already at 42 games missed.
That is the point difference between this year and last year.
Also
PP 22% last year
PP 15% this year
They actually have a better Goal differential this year.
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Well, Dubas had to pledge allegiance to the entire coaching staff to be hired on and hasn't fired Reirden mid-season which is mind-boggling. I totally buy he can't fire Sullivan. He can fire Todd though.
Also he got Karlsson, who turns out sucks at the PP. Gambling the issue with the Sharks PP in recent years was the Sharks and not Karlsson was a decent gamble. But it failed.
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He absolutely can. GMs have the physical power to recall/demote players, coaches do not. It's just a matter of picking battles.
I'm pretty certain Puustinen and Gruden being up in and actually in the lineup are due to some insistence from Dubas, rather than Sullivan advocating for them. It's probably a tradeoff for Harkins being around.
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Dude I just pointed to the numbers no need to make a whiny comment. The team is practical the same and it will stay that way no matter who the GM is if Sully is behind the bench.
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I'm not.
I'm convinced.
Dubas is about to usher in a new era of Penguins excellence with the foundation that he will acquire at the deadline.
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2024 Malkin is actually playing well. He just has the shooting yips which is why the whining about how his linemates don't finish is hilarious. He himself has become one of the worst finishers on the team.
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Don’t worry they can fire him to bring back hextall so he can re-sign Carter to lead the youth movement.
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Based on Sullivan's comments and the Quick news, wouldn't shock me to see them give Carter 800k on a one year deal next year.
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You thinking to small.
Carter 4 years 3 mill
Harkins 5 years 3 mill
Who else can handle those tough minutes!!!
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Some of the people complaining were giving Dubas props after the EK deal and shipping out a lot of Hextall’s dead weight. We wound up stuck with the guys who have NMC’s. Again, thanks to Hextall.
Then I firmly believe he brought in guys sully wanted. It was said as much when we signed Eller. You can see in the usage of certain players as well.
I honestly think Dubas was giving sully a legit shot with players he wanted. It’s failed and we need to move on and let Dubas pick his own coach instead of just glazing sully because he’s a Boston guy and we’re owned by a Boston company.
Then I firmly believe he brought in guys sully wanted. It was said as much when we signed Eller. You can see in the usage of certain players as well.
I honestly think Dubas was giving sully a legit shot with players he wanted. It’s failed and we need to move on and let Dubas pick his own coach instead of just glazing sully because he’s a Boston guy and we’re owned by a Boston company.
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But we saw this year what happens when you cater to Sully in your roster construction.\
I feel like a lot of these debacles (Reaves, Petry/Matheson/Marino) are the various GMs trying to force Sullivan to go in a direction he doesn't want to go and so he just doubles down and f***s things up.
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ChaosAgent
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Just outsource it to Tim Horton's.
Not unlike what the NFL has done this year with the Chiefs and TSwift/State Farm, and I'm being serious.
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Oh, if the NHL were not a garage league led by idiots they could absolutely capitalize on it
It's why NFL/NBA... MLB do better
Hockey is objectively the better sport... Marketed by pea brained idiots
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Well, if I am Dubas, I ask everyone with an NMC what they'd actually prefer.
The thought of Sid and Geno not playing their entire careers here is loathsome to me, but ultimately it is not professional not to ask.
A guy like Karlsson you cannot trade before you've decided that its good night on contending with Sid and Geno, because you'll need big time retention on Karlsson to get a return.
In my ideal world we trade Guentzel, Smith and Eller at least. Also Jarry and Graves if possible. You might say Jarry hasn't been the problem... no, he has even been pretty good quite often this season. That's the reason for trading him as now we might be able to. He is not a consistent winner and never will be. I'll bet whatever on that.
If someone offers something nice on Rust or Rak, you listen also, but with where salaries are going to go, I think both are fair value.
Retool in the off-season for that last shot at relevance with the core guys, only now with coaching and better support. You might say that the relevance part is out.... well, as close to rock bottom as this weekend results feel we won't truly get to rock bottom with a Sid and Geno team, I think, and if we are "able to" it would be rather too sad to have to go through.
Ultimately, you cannot argue that those guys do not still provide value relative to their contracts. It is everything else that sucks.
The thought of Sid and Geno not playing their entire careers here is loathsome to me, but ultimately it is not professional not to ask.
A guy like Karlsson you cannot trade before you've decided that its good night on contending with Sid and Geno, because you'll need big time retention on Karlsson to get a return.
In my ideal world we trade Guentzel, Smith and Eller at least. Also Jarry and Graves if possible. You might say Jarry hasn't been the problem... no, he has even been pretty good quite often this season. That's the reason for trading him as now we might be able to. He is not a consistent winner and never will be. I'll bet whatever on that.
If someone offers something nice on Rust or Rak, you listen also, but with where salaries are going to go, I think both are fair value.
Retool in the off-season for that last shot at relevance with the core guys, only now with coaching and better support. You might say that the relevance part is out.... well, as close to rock bottom as this weekend results feel we won't truly get to rock bottom with a Sid and Geno team, I think, and if we are "able to" it would be rather too sad to have to go through.
Ultimately, you cannot argue that those guys do not still provide value relative to their contracts. It is everything else that sucks.
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