Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

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My concern is Zucker is a Sully favorite and will push for his return. Hextall has to make the moves that he believes is needed vs what Sully wants now. Playoffs will be important for changes. No telling right now about that. But first round exit and Hextall has to change the smurf grinders narrative here. If not, trade him as he will bring in a nice pick and move on. Players I would like to see here next year besides Jarry are DOC, Hallander, LD Soucy as a FA. Move Petts or POJ as both are second and third pairing D men. Offer sheet for LW from Nashville and lose a second round pick. Kap traded to Nashville for Sessions and a couple picks for taking the contract.

Jake Sid Rakell 20M
Jeannot Geno Rust 14M
McGinn TB Carter 8,5M
Poehling DOC Sessions 4.5M
Poulin 800K

Soucy Letang 9.5M
Petts or POJ Petry 10M/7M
Smith Rutta 3.5M
Friedman Ruhwedel 1.5M

Jarry 6M
DeSmith 1.8M
Totals 80.5M 77.5M
Cap space 3.0M 6M
Why trade Pettersson or POJ? They seem to be exactly who we want at the moment for good values.

Zucker coming back wouldn't be the end of the world based on the contract that was offered. $5.5mil for any length of time, no. $4mil x 1yr, sure. $3mil x 3yrs, sure. If you write down exactly what you want in a 2LW, it fits the description of Zucker very, very well.

I think if you are content with letting Zucker and Dumo go, Tyler Bertuzzi should be the target. He seems to fit the bill better than Jeannot. You trade for a guy like Jeannot to put on the 3rd line at most.

Jake-Sid-Rakell
Bertuzzi-Malkin-Rust
McGinn-XXXX-Kapanen
Poehling-Carter-DOC/WBS

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Rutta

Jarry-CDS

Seems like a decent blueprint to work from next year. Just gotta fill that 3C slot. If you put Bertuzzi at $6.5, Jarry at $5mil, and the 4th liners at $1mil each. You can have Barbrashev at $4.5mil and still have $1.5mil left over for call ups. 12F, 7D, 2G.
 
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On paper, I would have said the 2017-2018 squad was arguably better, albeit they massively underperformed. I'll definitely grant the wings are much better now, however. Rackell has been a great addition.

I think the thing is that even playing as well as Sid and Geno are now, they're still 4 years older. Letang looks like he can't handle the amount of minutes we need him to do, the top 4 blueline is uneven, the bottom 6 is... problematic at times, and while I like how our roster is constructed now, there's massive questions that remain in terms of it coming together. I don't think it's a bad team or anything, I just don't see it as this contender that others do, so I'm curious as to why.

Thinking about this...

L1 - Guentzel had a sophomore slump that season and is a far better player now. We flipped back and forth between Simon, Horny, and Rust for the RW there, and Rakell is a huge upgrade. Sid... he's probably lost a little, but it's really hard to tell most nights. He's in brute squad mode still, particularly with this looking like the best wing combo he might have ever had.

L2 - Malkin's line got jumbled up so much I'm not sure what to call the typical version of this line. Playoffs... Horny and Hags. Zucker struggles to stay fit, but right now, he's Hags plus. Rust needs to pull his finger out some, but he's at the very least equal to Horny, albeit a very different player. Geno... Geno ain't what he used to be. Still great, at times, but not the same unfair advantage.

L3 - L3 this year is a brutal mess and honestly if they could take the cap hit assigned and start again, that'd be great. But then... L3 that year was a brutal mess, albeit one that looked great on paper. Brassard and Kessel just didn't work. Too much ego.

L4 - Think I like Poehling Bloogs Archibald over ZAR-Sheahan-Kuhnhackl (although it looks like Sheahan spent some time on L3?). Significantly so. But not a big deal.

D1 - Lopsidedly in 17-18's favour, although Letang did spend most of that season a little walking wounded.

D2 - I will take Petry over Schultz by a huge margin, and much as I liked Maatta he ain't ahead of whoever you want to play at 2LD.

D3 - Oleksiak-Ruhwedel vs ?-Rutta - again, I'll take the present day

G - We don't know what Jarry is going to be come playoff time but given he's regularly reached regular seasons post-double Murray never sniffed, I'd take him

To me that's fairly even-ish. I like our blueline now a lot more as a whole, but the step back in terms of the top pairing sucks. I like our top six more in general, but lack the same belief in it to just hulk out and be the hero. Bottom six is a mess but I think it was worse then. And a ton rests on getting consistency out of Jarry.

I don't know how I feel about this team as a contender. Every contender needs luck, and our luck rests on a bunch of guys who we expect to be unlucky at their age.

But I think it's about as strong a roster as we've had since the double. If those were contenders and this isn't, then either the league's got stronger, or we were kidding ourselves about those teams. There's a bit of truth to both of those statements, but I don't think enough to explain it.
 

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Thinking about this...

L1 - Guentzel had a sophomore slump that season and is a far better player now. We flipped back and forth between Simon, Horny, and Rust for the RW there, and Rakell is a huge upgrade. Sid... he's probably lost a little, but it's really hard to tell most nights. He's in brute squad mode still, particularly with this looking like the best wing combo he might have ever had.

L2 - Malkin's line got jumbled up so much I'm not sure what to call the typical version of this line. Playoffs... Horny and Hags. Zucker struggles to stay fit, but right now, he's Hags plus. Rust needs to pull his finger out some, but he's at the very least equal to Horny, albeit a very different player. Geno... Geno ain't what he used to be. Still great, at times, but not the same unfair advantage.

L3 - L3 this year is a brutal mess and honestly if they could take the cap hit assigned and start again, that'd be great. But then... L3 that year was a brutal mess, albeit one that looked great on paper. Brassard and Kessel just didn't work. Too much ego.

L4 - Think I like Poehling Bloogs Archibald over ZAR-Sheahan-Kuhnhackl (although it looks like Sheahan spent some time on L3?). Significantly so. But not a big deal.

D1 - Lopsidedly in 17-18's favour, although Letang did spend most of that season a little walking wounded.

D2 - I will take Petry over Schultz by a huge margin, and much as I liked Maatta he ain't ahead of whoever you want to play at 2LD.

D3 - Oleksiak-Ruhwedel vs ?-Rutta - again, I'll take the present day

G - We don't know what Jarry is going to be come playoff time but given he's regularly reached regular seasons post-double Murray never sniffed, I'd take him

To me that's fairly even-ish. I like our blueline now a lot more as a whole, but the step back in terms of the top pairing sucks. I like our top six more in general, but lack the same belief in it to just hulk out and be the hero. Bottom six is a mess but I think it was worse then. And a ton rests on getting consistency out of Jarry.

I don't know how I feel about this team as a contender. Every contender needs luck, and our luck rests on a bunch of guys who we expect to be unlucky at their age.

But I think it's about as strong a roster as we've had since the double. If those were contenders and this isn't, then either the league's got stronger, or we were kidding ourselves about those teams. There's a bit of truth to both of those statements, but I don't think enough to explain it.

Typical fence sitting Brit

Kappy has 8pts in his last 10 games.

Carter has 3pts in his last 10 games. 1g 2a and is a -2

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Not sure Kapanen is Carter's problem right now.

Carter isn’t really a problem right now. He’s not a solution. But people are too obsessed with him versus his usage.
 

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Kappy has 8pts in his last 10 games.

Carter has 3pts in his last 10 games. 1g 2a and is a -2

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Not sure Kapanen is Carter's problem right now.

Carter is even with Kappy on ice at 5v5 last 10 games, and -2 without him. And 5% on xGF. Seems very unlikely he's the problem.

Typical fence sitting Brit

Typical "there must be a winner!" American :)

Carter isn’t really a problem right now. He’s not a solution. But people are too obsessed with him versus his usage.

I dunno man. His usage sucks but he needs to take those situations and somehow come out near equal. Not been happening much. Not been creating a bunch of pressure.

I guess I'll sit on the fence on this too.
 

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Carter is even with Kappy on ice at 5v5 last 10 games, and -2 without him. And 5% on xGF. Seems very unlikely he's the problem.



Typical "there must be a winner!" American :)



I dunno man. His usage sucks but he needs to take those situations and somehow come out near equal. Not been happening much. Not been creating a bunch of pressure.

I guess I'll sit on the fence on this too.

Very true on the American front.

Carter is floating positive on the GF and xGF front and Dom’s model has him at a positive GSVA.

I honestly hate the Carter contract as you know since you defended it against me, but he’s “fine” in the role. Is he great? No. Would I pay to improve on him? Yes.

But the reality is Sully defers to him. So we could pay multiple firsts and bring in Horvat and we likely still see Carter out there in the clutch just like Rust.
 

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Well, the big reason that the team won't be making any major acquisitions is that they don't really need any major additions.

You obviously don't need a center. I don't think you need a top-6 winger with how Zucker is performing this year. If McGinn and Kapanen keep playing like they have as the 3rd line winger duo, I don't think you need a 3rd line winger. You don't need a defenseman with how Pettersson and POJ have played this year.

I think the only thing I might want to add is a bottom-6 forward in a similar mold to McGinn, either to push McGinn to the 4th line or just play on the 4th line himself. I don't have any issues with Poehling, but I think he's more of a 13th forward than a guy who has to be in the lineup every day. Someone like Jeannot would be awesome, even with his struggles this year.
They could definitely use someone to play instead of Dumoulin
 

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I think me and @Gurglesons had the Convo last year that we wanted the oxbow ox on the team. He's a juiced up Archi when it comes to bodying people because of his size but he has a ton more skill.

He would quickly become a fan favorite and they don't make too many like him in the league currently. I would pay the 1st for him.

Let's just say it would come down to Meier v Jeannot. While vastly different players I think you gotta go Meier and keep him here. He's probably one of the best fits you could ask for in our top 6 in the NHL and is just hitting his prime. Kid can do it all.
 
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GM and head coach hate playing young players but also too stubborn to trade draft picks.

Hmmmmmm
 

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Dumo's a -7 at 5v5. Only reason he's a +/- 0 is because they give a + for ENG's, and he doesn't get minuses when opposing teams ENG us. He isn't used in those situations when we're trying to tie it late.
A guy like Letang picks those up though, for example.

I'm fairly confident Dumo can be replaced with Friedman at this point. Maybe even Smith if things work out.
I know he's better on the PK right now, but that alone just doesn't cut it when you make 4.1.

I would package him with whatever's required for JVR right now. Waiting for the deadline and getting Kane or a prized 3C would be lovely, but I have no reason to expect us to be frontrunners in those sweepstakes.
JVR is doable. Philly is desperate for picks/prospects and Fletcher's a moron.
 

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Dumo's a -7 at 5v5. Only reason he's a +/- 0 is because they give a + for ENG's, and he doesn't get minuses when opposing teams ENG us. He isn't used in those situations when we're trying to tie it late.
A guy like Letang picks those up though, for example.

I'm fairly confident Dumo can be replaced with Friedman at this point. Maybe even Smith if things work out.
I know he's better on the PK right now, but that alone just doesn't cut it when you make 4.1.

I would package him with whatever's required for JVR right now. Waiting for the deadline and getting Kane or a prized 3C would be lovely, but I have no reason to expect us to be frontrunners in those sweepstakes.
JVR is doable. Philly is desperate for picks/prospects and Fletcher's a moron.

Agree that Dumo is a big problem.
Want to know who exasperates the problem by giving Dumo prime opportunities? Sully.

They even gave Dumo the A when Letang was out...that's how highly Dumo is thought of. I hate to wish for injuries, but....
 

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Agree that Dumo is a big problem.
Want to know who exasperates the problem by giving Dumo prime opportunities? Sully.

They even gave Dumo the A when Letang was out...that's how highly Dumo is thought of. I hate to wish for injuries, but....
Careful. A bunch of people on this site continue to advocate for sleepy to re-sign Dumo.
 

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Agree that Dumo is a big problem.
Want to know who exasperates the problem by giving Dumo prime opportunities? Sully.

They even gave Dumo the A when Letang was out...that's how highly Dumo is thought of. I hate to wish for injuries, but....

No matter what place we are in come trade deadline, Dumo needs to be moved and us cashing in on major assets. He can be replaced in the playoffs.. he can bring back a fantastic return with his track record, more than Chariot did for montreal last year which was a huge return

I'd like to see upgrades on Heinen and and Ruhwedel.
I'd like to see Zucker and Dumo traded for assets by the trade deadline, no matter how we are doing!! I know I'm dreaming though, but that's what Hextall should do!
 
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I believe there is zero chance Dumo gets traded at the deadline. I don't believe they have the heart to do it, especially since he is a big part of the locker room. I just can't see it.

If Craig Patrick was here, there would absolutely be a chance. But not this GM.
 
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No thanks to trading Zucker. He's been great (when healthy).


I forget what made me think of this, but as an alternative to both Chychrun and Barbashev it seems like Minnesota fans are open to trading both Merrill and Greenway.

Guerin does like players he's familiar with. See ya Dumo (and maybe Kappy?). Especially since I think Dumo would be fine with being traded to Minny.
 
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Carter isn’t really a problem right now. He’s not a solution. But people are too obsessed with him versus his usage.
I think there's a discussion there though. Too far one side - Carter is bad because of low production but too far on the other side - Carter gets defensive minutes so it's okay that he sucks.

There are other players in the league that get defensive zone starts as well and do just fine. There comes a point when its not just the defensive zone starts either.
People, don’t you think other teams see Dumo?…even if they wanted to trade him at the TDL, he’s not getting a great return lol…



and to the contrary, we should using this guy more lol…


Woof. is that league wide or just the Penguins?
 
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