Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[Gurglesons]

I'd actually probably prefer Jeannot because I don't think you can keep Meier long term.

I think Jeannot would be a part of an absolutely dynamic 3rd line that you need to win a cup with. Meier is that kind of talent for the top-6, I just don't know that you can keep him.

We can easily afford Meier at 9-10 mil.

That’s why if he does get moved, I think we make logical sense.

 

[Empoleon8771]

In a hypothetical where Meier gets traded and we get to talk to his agent and we can ensure bringing him back on a friendly enough contract, would you rather give a 1st for Jeannot or multiple 1sts for Meier?

Or to put it another way - would you prefer trading a 1st for a solid 3rd liner with all the hard to play against traits now, or multiple 1sts for a genuine top 6/top 4 difference maker, maybe now and maybe in the summer? Yes, the latter mightn't be available, but he absolutely won't be available if you start handing out the 1sts needed to do it for the 3rd liners. Hence the question. Of course we could use Jeannot. Of course he's worth a 1st by recent trades.

But is he worth a 1st to us given our other needs?

I don't really think it's an either/or, I think both would be worth it.

I'd pick Meier for 2 1sts over Jeannot for 1 1st, but that's mostly because I think you're getting better value with Meier there. But I think both would be substantial additions that fill major needs on the team. Or rather, not "needs" but "wants".

 

[Peat]

I don't really think it's an either/or, I think both would be worth it.

I'd pick Meier for 2 1sts over Jeannot for 1 1st, but that's mostly because I think you're getting better value with Meier there. But I think both would be substantial additions that fill major needs on the team. Or rather, not "needs" but "wants".

Unless you're happy to move all our 1sts until 2026 - assuming other teams even accept those as currency - it's either/or.

Me personally, that seems quite reckless given the state of our LD and the age of the RD propping them up.

 

[chethejet]

I have a feeling Hextall will resign Zucker which would be a mistake with his injury history and what Pens ask of him. Maybe see how it goes this year but I just think Hextall will not make any moves that require imagination. Carter was way to early and Kap was simply betting on a player that should have shown more by now in his career. If he keeps Dumo and the Pens have no wiggle room into the trade dead line, then he needs to go.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Unless you're happy to move all our 1sts until 2026 - assuming other teams even accept those as currency - it's either/or.

Me personally, that seems quite reckless given the state of our LD and the age of the RD propping them up.

Meh I don't see a downright there

The way I look at it, the Penguins are going to have this D group going forward:

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Ruuta

I don't see these D pairs as a big enough concern for me to plan on using a 1st to upgrade this defense. I'm not concerned with the ages of Letang and Petry, I think they should age fine.

 

[Peat]

Meh I don't see a downright there

The way I look at it, the Penguins are going to have this D group going forward:

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Petry
Smith-Ruuta

I don't see these D pairs as a big enough concern for me to plan on using a 1st to upgrade this defense. I'm not concerned with the ages of Letang and Petry, I think they should age fine.

I'd rather spend a 1st upgrading from Pettersson to a real bad mofo than upgrading from McGinn to Jeannot. Far rather.

I'd also rather have some trade currency for unforeseen eventualities going forwards too.

 

[66-30-33]

Archibald-Trenin-Jeannot the "come at me bro" line.

 

[Pancakes]

I'd rather spend a 1st upgrading from Pettersson to a real bad mofo than upgrading from McGinn to Jeannot. Far rather.

I'd also rather have some trade currency for unforeseen eventualities going forwards too.

Yeah if we're spending our first I want a top 4 LD.

but I also want Dumo out if we're doing that. Would be pissed if we picked up a top 4 LD and they sat POJ over it. Or traded him in said deal.

 

[Peat]

Yeah if we're spending our first I want a top 4 LD.

but I also want Dumo out if we're doing that. Would be pissed if we picked up a top 4 LD and they sat POJ over it. Or traded him in said deal.

I feel fairly sanguine that's not going to happen. Leaving aside rumours they considered moving Dumo, they need money to make a move, and money in money out is the most obvious route.

I consider it more likely that they do nothing on that front at this point mind.

 

[Gurglesons]

I feel fairly sanguine that's not going to happen. Leaving aside rumours they considered moving Dumo, they need money to make a move, and money in money out is the most obvious route.

I consider it more likely that they do nothing on that front at this point mind.

The only D I can see them adding is Chychrun. I think they have the pieces. I think it makes a ton of sense. But I put it at about a 20% of happening.

I think we make a move for a top nine LW that pushes McGinn or Kapanen down and comes cheap and is a UFA at most. Similar to Rakell.

I’d bet it is one of Nyquist, Barbashev, Okposo or Fischer.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

You want to hand out a 1st for Jeannot, or make it part of multiple 1sts for Timo Meier?

I'd prefer to go cheaper and land Jeannot because I think he'd still bring a unique skillset to our forward group without (presumably) costing as much as Meier.

Granted, Meier's a better scorer. But in reality we should have enough scoring as it is that just adding another top nine winger with bite will suffice.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

We can easily afford Meier at 9-10 mil.

That’s why if he does get moved, I think we make logical sense.

I like Meier as much as anyone here, but that's a ton for a winger we probably won't use on PP1. Even if we could afford it and he plays like one of the better ES players in the league, it's still hard to justify that cap hit. His 5v5 P60 is worse than Zucker's right now, for example. He has 3 more goals so I'll give him the edge, but you get my point.

I would expect something like 50-55 points for him with how he'd be used here, at best with good health. Even if he did get PP1, he's never been particularly good at it.
There's no guarantees he'd have the chemistry with Malkin that he has with Sharks centers either.

It's just too much to dish out on the wing when we could easily be weak on the left side D and at 3C.

 

[MeinerEiner]

I was wondering what Jarrys´ next contract might look like. I think Ulmark, Saros and Demko are the measuring point for him. 4/5y with an AAV of 5mio is a good starting point, but I would not go higher than 5.5mio.

 

[Headshot77]

Why does Despres, the largest player, not simply eat the 2018 Capitals?

You jest but that's exactly what Tage Thompson is doing.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I’d bet it is one of Nyquist, Barbashev, Okposo or Fischer.

I've always liked Okposo, especially with him being such a professional with all his misfortunes in Buffalo. But he's a RW only.

Unless something happens to one of our RWs...

 

[Goalie_Bob]

We can easily afford Meier at 9-10 mil.

That’s why if he does get moved, I think we make logical sense.

Can they afford Meier when Jake is going to be up the next offseason? Technically they can extend Jake this summer. I'm figuring 8 x 8 for Jake.

I don't have any issue with Trading a 1st plus some prospects (Anybody but Pickering) for Meier, even if that means he will only be here for the playoffs. I could see them being able to recoup a pick for his rights before FA. I'm all in on being all in. Players drafted this coming draft will not be available to contribute for 3-4 years at best.

I watched the Pens unwillingness to trade Milan Kraft for Rob Blake or Keith Tkachuk in 2001 when Lemieux was in the last great season of his career with a Pens team capable of winning the cup and I do not want to see that happen to Crosby, Malkin and Letang.

 

[eXile3]

Can they afford Meier when Jake is going to be up the next offseason? Technically they can extend Jake this summer. I'm figuring 8 x 8 for Jake.

I don't have any issue with Trading a 1st plus some prospects (Anybody but Pickering) for Meier, even if that means he will only be here for the playoffs. I could see them being able to recoup a pick for his rights before FA. I'm all in on being all in. Players drafted this coming draft will not be available to contribute for 3-4 years at best.

I watched the Pens unwillingness to trade Milan Kraft for Rob Blake or Keith Tkachuk in 2001 when Lemieux was in the last great season of his career with a Pens team capable of winning the cup and I do not want to see that happen to Crosby, Malkin and Letang.

I don’t remember that but I do remember Craig Patrick saying previously that they often had to pass up deals just because they didn’t have the money to pay the incoming players.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Yeah if we're spending our first I want a top 4 LD.

but I also want Dumo out if we're doing that. Would be pissed if we picked up a top 4 LD and they sat POJ over it. Or traded him in said deal.

If we're trading for a top 4 LD, I'd obviously want Dumo going out, but I'd also think that Pettersson would probably garner a better return for POJ AND would make more sense. POJ is fine as a #4 guy and is cheaper, and Pettersson you can sell as a top pairing complimentary guy and the Pens just want a different flavor of top 4 there.

But I agree moving Dumo would be a good addition-by-subtraction move, especially if we're getting some other style of 5/6 blueliner there.

 

[Andy99]

From the following article…

“What should be on the Penguins’ holiday wishlist?

A third line center.

’Didn’t they just re-sign Jeff Carter?’ you might be asking. Yes, but through 28 games he is showing more and more of his age (he’ll turn 38 on January 1), and it’s holding the team back. Carter has just two goals in his last 24 games and four on the year, leading to head coach Mike Sullivan dropping his ice time significantly.

After playing nearly 18 minutes a night for the Penguins last season, Carter is down to 14:30 in 2022-23 and is averaging fewer than 13 minutes over his last seven games.

By acquiring a legitimate difference-maker to slot into that third-line pivot role, Carter could slide over to the wing while still helping out on faceoffs. The Penguins have always been their best when they can roll out another line behind Crosby and Malkin to keep the pressure on an opponent, and right now that’s not really the case.”

What Your Team Is Thankful For: Pittsburgh Penguins

As we approach the end of the year, PHR continues its look at what teams are thankful for in 2022-23. …

www.prohockeyrumors.com

 

[Turin]

From the following article…

“What should be on the Penguins’ holiday wishlist?

A third line center.

’Didn’t they just re-sign Jeff Carter?’ you might be asking. Yes, but through 28 games he is showing more and more of his age (he’ll turn 38 on January 1), and it’s holding the team back. Carter has just two goals in his last 24 games and four on the year, leading to head coach Mike Sullivan dropping his ice time significantly.

After playing nearly 18 minutes a night for the Penguins last season, Carter is down to 14:30 in 2022-23 and is averaging fewer than 13 minutes over his last seven games.

By acquiring a legitimate difference-maker to slot into that third-line pivot role, Carter could slide over to the wing while still helping out on faceoffs. The Penguins have always been their best when they can roll out another line behind Crosby and Malkin to keep the pressure on an opponent, and right now that’s not really the case.”

What Your Team Is Thankful For: Pittsburgh Penguins

As we approach the end of the year, PHR continues its look at what teams are thankful for in 2022-23. …

www.prohockeyrumors.com

Yup. A problem is that there aren’t many options as far as rentals there. Toews is honestly the best pure 3rd line center on a bad team with an expiring contract and he’s still probably a 2C. Gonna either have to swing hard at at top six center or make a hockey trade.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

How are we so far away from being a bubble team as is, though? This is a flawed, aging roster. It can catch fire, it can also implode.

We pretty much all knew that going into this season.

This is the best roster, on paper and when healthy, since 2017. It's the first one since Kessel was traded away that won't need elite coaching to make the playoffs.
Fortunately, we have elite coaching.

 

[Andy99]

Yup. A problem is that there aren’t many options as far as rentals there. Toews is honestly the best pure 3rd line center on a bad team with an expiring contract and he’s still probably a 2C. Gonna either have to swing hard at at top six center or make a hockey trade.

Horvat…lol

 

[SEALBound]

From the following article…

“What should be on the Penguins’ holiday wishlist?

A third line center.

’Didn’t they just re-sign Jeff Carter?’ you might be asking. Yes, but through 28 games he is showing more and more of his age (he’ll turn 38 on January 1), and it’s holding the team back. Carter has just two goals in his last 24 games and four on the year, leading to head coach Mike Sullivan dropping his ice time significantly.

After playing nearly 18 minutes a night for the Penguins last season, Carter is down to 14:30 in 2022-23 and is averaging fewer than 13 minutes over his last seven games.

By acquiring a legitimate difference-maker to slot into that third-line pivot role, Carter could slide over to the wing while still helping out on faceoffs. The Penguins have always been their best when they can roll out another line behind Crosby and Malkin to keep the pressure on an opponent, and right now that’s not really the case.”

What Your Team Is Thankful For: Pittsburgh Penguins

As we approach the end of the year, PHR continues its look at what teams are thankful for in 2022-23. …

www.prohockeyrumors.com

He's not wrong, the problem is - what do you do with the guy? I just fail to see where you can hide him in the lineup and I don't think the org has the gumption to trade him.

I think our best bet is to get a play driving 3rd line wing that can help Carter and Kap/McGinn produce.

My criticism of Carter has often been that he doesn't seem to work all that well with any combination of the wings that we give him and that's a problem come playoff time. I don't think McGinn and Kapanen are going to magically start driving the play come playoff time.

 

[Kristopher Letang]

I just posted Heinen and a 1st for Jeannot on the main board. I think it will simultaneously be roasted by both Penguins fans and Predators fans

Jeannot-Carter-Kapanen and McGinn-Blueger-Archibald as the bottom-6 looks really nice for how the Penguins use their bottom-6.

Heinen won’t be moved. Watch for the contract extension in January lol

 

[Andy99]

He's not wrong, the problem is - what do you do with the guy? I just fail to see where you can hide him in the lineup and I don't think the org has the gumption to trade him.

I think our best bet is to get a play driving 3rd line wing that can help Carter and Kap/McGinn produce.

My criticism of Carter has often been that he doesn't seem to work all that well with any combination of the wings that we give him and that's a problem come playoff time. I don't think McGinn and Kapanen are going to magically start driving the play come playoff time.

I’d play him on the fourth line if Sullivan insists on using him in a defensive role, and then you can further limit his minutes…give Blue a shot on L3