Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[Randy Butternubs]

I heard the Sully candle reeks of ego

I thought it was Boston Clam Chowder?

 

[HandshakeLine]

I thought it was Boston Clam Chowder?

Obligatory:

 

[Andy99]

Here's an Five Star review Amazon review of the Mike Sullivan candle:

"This candle exudes the scent of success, shines bright and is so stubborn that it is hard to put out."

Three Star Review:

"This candle is made in the USA but stole its whole design from the Hornqvist Candle factory from Sweden"

Zero Star:

"I first like this candle but decided it was no longer the right candle for my sad home"

Ok…this was legit funny…

 

[Andy99]

a good team we have that lacks finishing…same problem as last year though not as bad as Carolina lol

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Team still has problems putting the puck away.

Better sign more goaltenders and big defensemen!

 

[Gurglesons]

That’s actually a pretty good ratio considering xGF% is out performing actual goals for the first time in forever.

 

[SEALBound]

a good team we have that lacks finishing…same problem as last year though not as bad as Carolina lol

If our PP was on point, they would have to make an additional chart for us.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'll be Captain Buzzkill and say that I don't see a major acquisition in the Penguins' future unless someone ends up out for the rest of the season.

The two likely trade pieces in season are Heinen and Kapanen. As much as everyone is fairly ready to move on from Dumoulin, let's be honest - they won't trade him. They just won't re-sign him.

If they trade Heinen, it's for someone who offers something different for the bottom six at a similar price.

If they trade Kapanen, there will be a contract coming back, not as a cap dump. I also think Hextall is stubborn enough to not trade Kapanen until at least the off-season.

I just don't see the pieces coming together for a player like JVR, even though stylistically he'd probably be a solid fit.

Well, the big reason that the team won't be making any major acquisitions is that they don't really need any major additions.

You obviously don't need a center. I don't think you need a top-6 winger with how Zucker is performing this year. If McGinn and Kapanen keep playing like they have as the 3rd line winger duo, I don't think you need a 3rd line winger. You don't need a defenseman with how Pettersson and POJ have played this year.

I think the only thing I might want to add is a bottom-6 forward in a similar mold to McGinn, either to push McGinn to the 4th line or just play on the 4th line himself. I don't have any issues with Poehling, but I think he's more of a 13th forward than a guy who has to be in the lineup every day. Someone like Jeannot would be awesome, even with his struggles this year.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I just posted Heinen and a 1st for Jeannot on the main board. I think it will simultaneously be roasted by both Penguins fans and Predators fans

Jeannot-Carter-Kapanen and McGinn-Blueger-Archibald as the bottom-6 looks really nice for how the Penguins use their bottom-6.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

a good team we have that lacks finishing…same problem as last year though not as bad as Carolina lol

I feel like that always seems to be our problem. Or at least the last handful of seasons. We generate chances but can't seem to bury them at the frequency we probably should.

 

[Gurglesons]

I just posted Heinen and a 1st for Jeannot on the main board. I think it will simultaneously be roasted by both Penguins fans and Predators fans

Jeannot-Carter-Kapanen and McGinn-Blueger-Archibald as the bottom-6 looks really nice for how the Penguins use their bottom-6.

Given the cap hit I think Jeannot returns a ton.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I just posted Heinen and a 1st for Jeannot on the main board. I think it will simultaneously be roasted by both Penguins fans and Predators fans

Jeannot-Carter-Kapanen and McGinn-Blueger-Archibald as the bottom-6 looks really nice for how the Penguins use their bottom-6.

Why would Pens fans roast you for that? Preds fans, sure, but any Pens fan who wouldn't be in favor of Heinen and what should be a 1st in the 20+ range for a player like Jeannot is nuts.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Given the cap hit I think Jeannot returns a ton.

I agree, but I just don't know how much more than a 1st. Hagel brought back 2 1sts and 2 depth NHLers. I could see something like O'Connor, a 1st and 3rd, but I just struggle to see him bringing back much more than that.

Why would Pens fans roast you for that? Preds fans, sure, but any Pens fan who wouldn't be in favor of Heinen and what should be a 1st in the 20+ range for a player like Jeannot is nuts.

The issue is Jeannot has 6 points in 30 games this year. His production has taken a huge step back from last year.

You know some Penguins fans who are unfamiliar with Jeannot will call this another Reaves for a 1st trade.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

The issue is Jeannot has 6 points in 30 games this year. His production has taken a huge step back from last year.

You know some Penguins fans who are unfamiliar with Jeannot will call this another Reaves for a 1st trade.

Oh, I'd just tend to ignore any "fans" who don't even know the players being discussed.

Funnily enough, the fact Jeannot is struggling might actually be a *good* thing in terms of how much the Pens would (theoretically) have to give up to land him. Because if he was producing at a 30 goal pace, the pricetag would be astronomical.

 

[Gurglesons]

Oh, I'd just tend to ignore any "fans" who don't even know the players being discussed.

Funnily enough, the fact Jeannot is struggling might actually be a *good* thing in terms of how much the Pens would (theoretically) have to give up to land him. Because if he was producing at a 30 goal pace, the pricetag would be astronomical.

I honestly don’t think it matters what a Jeannot is producing at his cap hit and with his skill set he is returning a shit load because every team wants his skill set and basically every team can afford him.

Saying that I’ve now guaranteed he goes to Boston for a 2nd and Craig Smith.

 

[Peat]

I just posted Heinen and a 1st for Jeannot on the main board. I think it will simultaneously be roasted by both Penguins fans and Predators fans

Jeannot-Carter-Kapanen and McGinn-Blueger-Archibald as the bottom-6 looks really nice for how the Penguins use their bottom-6.

Roast.

I don't think Nashville fans will like it as they're selling low.

I don't like it because

a) I don't think we're close enough to the cup to be spending 1sts on complimentary over the edge pieces
b) I don't our window is short enough that we should be shunting out 1sts for complimentary pieces when this summer we've got big gaps/opportunities at 2LW and 1LD, and possible 3C
c) Bottom six LWs who can score and have size and be a bit physical are our biggest pipeline possibility and, if you accept being hardnosed rather than physical, something we can ask McGinn to do and should be doing while we're paying him 2.75m. I dunno how much he can play RW

I'd like it if it was the 2nd though (and can't say the 1st is unfair way prices are, although I just still don't think they match the team's situation), or even if this team kicks it up a notch and looks real scary in a couple of months.

I would also point out that you're betting on his production rebounding, but his production has always been driven by unsustainable shooting percentages, so you've got to factor that in too.

 

[Gurglesons]

Roast.

I don't think Nashville fans will like it as they're selling low.

I don't like it because

a) I don't think we're close enough to the cup to be spending 1sts on complimentary over the edge pieces
b) I don't our window is short enough that we should be shunting out 1sts for complimentary pieces when this summer we've got big gaps/opportunities at 2LW and 1LD, and possible 3C
c) Bottom six LWs who can score and have size and be a bit physical are our biggest pipeline possibility and, if you accept being hardnosed rather than physical, something we can ask McGinn to do and should be doing while we're paying him 2.75m. I dunno how much he can play RW

I'd like it if it was the 2nd though (and can't say the 1st is unfair way prices are, although I just still don't think they match the team's situation), or even if this team kicks it up a notch and looks real scary in a couple of months.

I would also point out that you're betting on his production rebounding, but his production has always been driven by unsustainable shooting percentages, so you've got to factor that in too.

Corey's stats paint him a little bit better than just "shooting percentage" depending how you feel about his stats.

 

[Empoleon8771]

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Corey's stats paint him a little bit better than just "shooting percentage" depending how you feel about his stats.

Idk I think his WAR% is heavily influenced by that Finishing number, which is just a function of shooting percentage.

I think Jeannot's a good 3rd liner that adds a ton of physicality, but I wouldn't expect him to repeat what he was last year. He reminds me a bit more of Matt Cooke without the dirty shit.

 

[Gurglesons]

Idk I think his WAR% is heavily influenced by that Finishing number, which is just a function of shooting percentage.

I think Jeannot's a good 3rd liner that adds a ton of physicality, but I wouldn't expect him to repeat what he was last year. He reminds me a bit more of Matt Cooke without the dirty shit.

I’m not talking about his WAR, I’m talking about his retrieval’s, exits and behind the net play

 

[Peat]

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Corey's stats paint him a little bit better than just "shooting percentage" depending how you feel about his stats.

Yeah, but I'm not talking about overall play, I'm talking about him in terms of raw production, where that chart mostly agrees with me.

Is there a player worth having on the Pens when he's not finishing at a 91st percentile? Sure, a guy with those sort of forechecking numbers would fit here like a chocaholic in a candy store, but I don't think he's a guy you pay a 1st for unless you believe he can produce a lot more than he has this season. Ask whether he can do that and you're looking right at that shooting percentage. You're also looking at that top row that shows unholy deflection numbers and a just kinda bad shooter at other things, and then asking yourself "just how badly do I need prototype Patric Hornqvist vs my other needs".

Which honestly might be me talking myself into it, save our other needs aren't nothing.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah, but I'm not talking about overall play, I'm talking about him in terms of raw production, where that chart mostly agrees with me.

Is there a player worth having on the Pens when he's not finishing at a 91st percentile? Sure, a guy with those sort of forechecking numbers would fit here like a chocaholic in a candy store, but I don't think he's a guy you pay a 1st for unless you believe he can produce a lot more than he has this season. Ask whether he can do that and you're looking right at that shooting percentage. You're also looking at that top row that shows unholy deflection numbers and a just kinda bad shooter at other things, and then asking yourself "just how badly do I need prototype Patric Hornqvist vs my other needs".

Which honestly might be me talking myself into it, save our other needs aren't nothing.

I think having a player that can kick the shit out of people and play like that is worth the add and I think adding that player into our system versus Hynes is probably an easy win.

 

[Peat]

I think having a player that can kick the shit out of people and play like that is worth the add and I think adding that player into our system versus Hynes is probably an easy win.

You want to hand out a 1st for Jeannot, or make it part of multiple 1sts for Timo Meier?

 

[Gurglesons]

You want to hand out a 1st for Jeannot, or make it part of multiple 1sts for Timo Meier?

I don’t think Meier gets traded this season,

 

[Empoleon8771]

You want to hand out a 1st for Jeannot, or make it part of multiple 1sts for Timo Meier?

I'd actually probably prefer Jeannot because I don't think you can keep Meier long term.

I think Jeannot would be a part of an absolutely dynamic 3rd line that you need to win a cup with. Meier is that kind of talent for the top-6, I just don't know that you can keep him.

 

[Peat]

I don’t think Meier gets traded this season,

I'd actually probably prefer Jeannot because I don't think you can keep Meier long term.

I think Jeannot would be a part of an absolutely dynamic 3rd line that you need to win a cup with. Meier is that kind of talent for the top-6, I just don't know that you can keep him.

In a hypothetical where Meier gets traded and we get to talk to his agent and we can ensure bringing him back on a friendly enough contract, would you rather give a 1st for Jeannot or multiple 1sts for Meier?

Or to put it another way - would you prefer trading a 1st for a solid 3rd liner with all the hard to play against traits now, or multiple 1sts for a genuine top 6/top 4 difference maker, maybe now and maybe in the summer? Yes, the latter mightn't be available, but he absolutely won't be available if you start handing out the 1sts needed to do it for the 3rd liners. Hence the question. Of course we could use Jeannot. Of course he's worth a 1st by recent trades.

But is he worth a 1st to us given our other needs?