Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[Peat]

we need another D and another forward…for forward, it’s not either of these guys…we need someone who can drive play for L3 so we can have another HBK lol…P.Kane is ideal, or Horvat…someone with offensive skills more than just going to net and being a big body, but who can make the zone entries and set up plays when we get there…

on D, we need to replace Dumo with someone with more mobility but who can still defend…

I don't another HBK is a need. It's not like most cup winners have one.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I honestly don't mind the majority of Hextalls moves or signings. This one though is the black eye so far.

Initial trade was terrific for Carter but not the follow-up

Agreed.

Maybe you hope he decides to retire or, at worst, the Pens push him to true fourth line duties and try someone else at 3C next year.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Lol if Carter is the worst move your GM has made, your GM hasn't made any bad moves.

A guy paid $3 million that puts up a 0.5 PPG in a defensive 3C role isn't a bad contract, no matter how many times people here try to say it is.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

On Sunday I found out that the Shenderovich (spelling?) twins went to my high school.

Rusty Trombone!!!

edit: wrong thread but I'm leaving it

 

[66-30-33]

Let's keep Dumo at a long term contract and a cap raise.

 

[Headshot77]

I want to LA Rams this thing. f*** dem picks.

 

[Turin]

Dumoulin to a bubble team who needs defense for a 3rd at the deadline.

a 1st next year, a 3rd this year and a prospect + Kapanen for Chychrun.

 

[Headshot77]

He's not wrong, the problem is - what do you do with the guy? I just fail to see where you can hide him in the lineup and I don't think the org has the gumption to trade him.

I think our best bet is to get a play driving 3rd line wing that can help Carter and Kap/McGinn produce.

My criticism of Carter has often been that he doesn't seem to work all that well with any combination of the wings that we give him and that's a problem come playoff time. I don't think McGinn and Kapanen are going to magically start driving the play come playoff time.

If we think Carter is the problem, I'd rather fix the problem then try to hide it.

 

[Gurglesons]

Dumoulin to a bubble team who needs defense for a 3rd at the deadline.

a 1st next year, a 3rd this year and a prospect + Kapanen for Chychrun.

Why move Kapanen if we don’t have to?

1st, conditional 2nd, Poulin, Pickering for Chychrun.

 

[Pens x]

I think Poulin killed what little value he had by needing a break from hockey.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think Poulin killed what little value he had by needing a break from hockey.

Well that speaks to your lack of judgement.

If Arizona is getting a better return than that they aren’t getting quality picks.

Agreed.

Maybe you hope he decides to retire or, at worst, the Pens push him to true fourth line duties and try someone else at 3C next year.

He should be on 4th RW now if it wasn’t for your favorite coach.

 

[Will Hunting]

Well that speaks to your lack of judgement.

If Arizona is getting a better return than that they aren’t getting quality picks.



He should be on 4th RW now if it wasn’t for your favorite coach.

Sullivan doesn´t want to mess with Poehling-Blue-Arch line, which I can understand. That 4th line is doing a perfectly effective job. It´s a 3rd line being a problem despite McGinn playing very good hockey. But Sullivan should at least roll these two lines equally. Carter needs a lesser role, that´s for sure.

 

[Headshot77]

I still think Carter should be used more as a high end scoring 4C rather than what he's used as now.

Yeah. Carter is 2017 Matt Cullen now.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

He should be on 4th RW now if it wasn’t for your favorite coach.

Eh, Carter is at 57.6% on faceoffs. I have no problem with him at center for now given the current options.

And I think, depending on game situations, you'll see occasions where Blueger's line plays more, especially down the stretch or in the playoffs.

If they acquire someone, sure. Shift him to wing. But the current lineup, when healthy, is probably the best configuration of available pieces.

Only change I would make right now is bring up Smith and bench Ruhwedel. As bad as Dumoulin has been, I'm willing to give him a bit more to see if he can at least be serviceable on the third pair. He was OK for a stretch after the initial demotion, but he's crept back up the lineup and is struggling again.

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Rutta
Dumoulin-Smith

If Dumoulin is still struggling by end of January or whenever Petry is back - whichever is sooner - then either you replace him with Smith or find an outside option.

A Dumoulin replacement and a third liner are all I think they need to look at as possible additions if healthy at the deadline.

 

[HandshakeLine]

We’ve been saying Bluger’s line will play more down the stretch for years, but that 4th line’s ice time seems pretty baked in, I think. Last year, the 3rd line received about 18-20 minutes more over the course of the NYR series than TB's line. Same the year before. I don't see Sullivan changing course there any time soon, but maybe I'm wrong?

Re: the Blueline

I'd rather see Friedman as the #7 (he can play both sides, he's younger, he's an agitator) than Ruh, plus he's got a lower cap hit. I know it's small savings, but that adds up, especially for a team that's been so tight against the cap during this season that it caused problems. Sadly, I don't think that's going to happen, nor is there space on the roster to try out Smith at LD unless Dumoulin or another LD gets injured.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I don't another HBK is a need. It's not like most cup winners have one.

On the other hand, if we're going to go into the postseason with our blueline, might as well load up the top 9 and just try to run and gun it. We're not built to play a really stifling defensive game.

 

[eXile3]

Lol if Carter is the worst move your GM has made, your GM hasn't made any bad moves.

A guy paid $3 million that puts up a 0.5 PPG in a defensive 3C role isn't a bad contract, no matter how many times people here try to say it is.

His production is great for the cap hit but it’s the defensive part. Sully keeps putting him out there because he can win face offs but Carter appears to have no interest in playing in his own end.

Not to mention he’s another aging, complacent player on an already aging, complacent team. I would take another player who’s better defensively and brings energy to the line over his production.

 

[SomeDude]

His production is great for the cap hit but it’s the defensive part. Sully keeps putting him out there because he can win face offs but Carter appears to have no interest in playing in his own end.

Not to mention he’s another aging, complacent player on an already aging, complacent team. I would take another player who’s better defensively and brings energy to the line over his production.

Jeff Carter’s playoff numbers as a Penguin:
13 games, 8 goals, 10 points, 40 SOG, 60.5% face off wins.

I’ll take that energy.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Jeff Carter’s playoff numbers as a Penguin:
13 games, 8 goals, 10 points, 60.5% face off wins.

I’ll take that energy.

I still think he'd look a lot better as a 4C. As a bonus, maybe Sully will ice the 4th line more than 8 minutes a game?

 

[SomeDude]

I still think he'd look a lot better as a 4C. As a bonus, maybe Sully will ice the 4th line more than 8 minutes a game?

Well, yea. Sid would look better as a 2C too if we could get McDavid to play ahead of him. Carter is hardly a problem when it matters, though. I’ll take 3 more players like him if given the opportunity.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I dunno, he was putrid defensively against the Rags when it counted. His offense is nice, but if he’s not going to be a shut down guy, don’t give him those minutes.

We don’t lose because we’re getting shut out. We lose because we can’t lock it down when we need to.

 

[Gurglesons]

I dunno, he was putrid defensively against the Rags when it counted. His offense is nice, but if he’s not going to be a shut down guy, don’t give him those minutes.

We don’t lose because we’re getting shut out. We lose because we can’t lock it down when we need to.

Go watch Teddy on the tying goal last night.

That’s our shutdown C? Lol

 

[SomeDude]

I dunno, he was putrid defensively against the Rags when it counted. His offense is nice, but if he’s not going to be a shut down guy, don’t give him those minutes.

We don’t lose because we’re getting shut out. We lose because we can’t lock it down when we need to.

With the Sid injury he was also playing a more offensive role. If the guy could put up those numbers while playing shut defensive down playoff hockey, he’d be making 2-3x what he does. I’m not saying current day Jeff Carter is some kind of savior, but for this cost and role the complaining is over the top, IMO.

We could still be in the days of having Sutter and “Big Game Brass” as our 3C.

 

[Andy99]

Jeff Carter’s playoff numbers as a Penguin:
13 games, 8 goals, 10 points, 40 SOG, 60.5% face off wins.

I’ll take that energy.

Doesn’t mean he needs to play every night as 3C during the 82- game slog…

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[SomeDude]

Doesn’t mean he needs to play every night as 3C during the 82- game slog…

I don’t disagree with managing his minutes better throughout the regular season. The guy is old after all. If you look at his minutes compared to last year (when we had a lot worse injury issues) his TOI is down by 3 per game.