Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap: Free Agency, everyone panic!!! Geno talk to the Geno thread only please

[Zirakzigil]

Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.

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[Turin]

Remember when Landeskog was gonna leave Colorado because of “hurt feelings”?

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Malkin isn’t likely to get much more than what the Pens will give him on the open market.

Disagree. I think someone would overpay for Malkin on a 3 year deal, to the tune of 7.5M - 8M. He could also take a big money one year deal to Colorado and go for another Cup this year.

 

[IcedCapp]

Wasn’t Pettersson pretty OKAY in the playoffs?
I could see them being reluctant to move him. Zucker seems like the obvious candidate. Maybe dumo if they don’t think he’ll recover. I actually don’t think MP would be a negative value trade at all.

Disagree. I think someone would overpay for Malkin on a 3 year deal, to the tune of 7.5M - 8M. He could also take a big money one year deal to Colorado and go for another Cup this year.

Sure. Not a contender.

 

[Pittsburgh1776]

Or another way is to realize that it's obviously propaganda from Malkin's agent, and the grossly exaggerated language used is trying to make the fans turn on the team for not giving Malkin what he wants.

Everything in there could be true, but grossly exaggerated to portray an inaccurate picture. The hyperbolical language in the article alone gives me a pretty clear red flag that this isn't an objective article.

Of course it's not objective. Rossi is his publicist now in all but name. Doesn't mean it's wrong.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

I still ultimately think Malkin re-signs and I’m pretty confident in it but it is maddening that we’re a little over three days away and it’s still not done AND we still have Rakell to potentially re-sign. Or maybe they don’t want to. Because there’s been absolutely zero smoke about him.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The "woe is Geno Malkin" crowd, for being as pro-Geno as they are, seem to have an extremely low opinion of the dude's mental stability or emotional state.

If signing Carter to his $3 million AAV deal makes Geno feel all snubbed and mopey, well Geno's gotta be a big boy. He's pushing 40 ffs.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think what has upset people through this entire process is that it seems clear Malkin is not asking for the world. None of the numbers that have been leaked have suggested that he wants $8 million or something.

What's also hard to comprehend is that the Penguins agreed to sign Letang to six years, but seem extremely hesitant to give Malkin even half of that.

Given the cost of what else is out there, it seems like a really fair compromise of $6 million over 4 years or $6.5 million over 3 years is right there, and the Pens don't seem to be willing to budge. They've already won. They can have Malkin and Letang back for less than $13 million a year. That's a steal. How much more do you need to win by?

Hextall should be trying to win as much as he possibly can before free agency. He should be trying to win by the maximum he can, because that allows him the most flexibility to make this team good.

 

[Andy99]

I still ultimately think Malkin re-signs and I’m pretty confident in it but it is maddening that we’re a little over three days away and it’s still not done AND we still have Rakell to potentially re-sign. Or maybe they don’t want to. Because there’s been absolutely zero smoke about him.

There’s been smoke it’s just that the smoke has been him wanting to sign on the west coast and not with the Pens lol

 

[Coastal Kev]

UM you bring something but it is nowhere near reality, No even in the same Galaxy! But continue to scream at the sky

Are you having a conversation with yourself.

I think my wants and desires for the franchise moving forward have been made pretty clear. I also already conceded to the fact that the FO is going in the opposite direction.

You're out of your element Donnie.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Remember when Landeskog was gonna leave Colorado because of “hurt feelings”?

I also remember Letang allegedly had some "hurt feelings" in 2013 because the team thought Paul Martin had a better year than him in the lockout shortened 2013 season (that was Martin's best year in Pittsburgh). He still signed his 8 year extension on July 1st, literally as soon as he was allowed to sign it.

 

[Darren McCord]

Hextall should be trying to win as much as he possibly can before free agency. He should be trying to win by the maximum he can, because that allows him the most flexibility to make this team good.

The best way to win is to sign your players before other teams come after them. You always overpay in FA. He has signed 1 out of the bunch of ufa and rfa’s we have.

 

[IcedCapp]

The "woe is Geno Malkin" crowd, for being as pro-Geno as they are, seem to have an extremely low opinion of the dude's mental stability or emotional state.

If signing Carter to his $3 million AAV deal makes Geno feel all snubbed and mopey, well Geno's gotta be a big boy. He's pushing 40 ffs.

This has always been the thing with the malkin stans. He was always one winger away from bolting back to Russia

 

[Darren McCord]

The "woe is Geno Malkin" crowd, for being as pro-Geno as they are, seem to have an extremely low opinion of the dude's mental stability or emotional state.

If signing Carter to his $3 million AAV deal makes Geno feel all snubbed and mopey, well Geno's gotta be a big boy. He's pushing 40 ffs.

I mean I would be slightly pissed if an older guy came in to a team I had been on for a long time and was signed until the same age I wanted to be signed. Then they said F off to me.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The best way to win is to sign your players before other teams come after them. You always overpay in FA. He has signed 1 out of the bunch of ufa and rfa’s we have.

And it's not the first day of free agency, so why are you complaining about it?

Hence why I said "Hextall should try to win by as much as he can before free agency".

 

[Darren McCord]

And it's not the first day of free agency, so why are you complaining about it?

Hence why I said "Hextall should try to win by as much as he can before free agency".

This is true but I mean he’s got only three days. I’ll agree but he’s running low on time that’s all.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I mean I would be slightly pissed if an older guy came in to a team I had been on for a long time and was signed until the same age I wanted to be signed. Then they said F off to me.

You'd have been in the business for long enough to realize it wasn't related to your deal whatsoever, and if/when you were told to head to FA, it was more about your camp and the FO not budging in their stances. /shrug

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Fwiw, I do think Geno will be re-signed. I think he genuinely wants to play in Pittsburgh with Sid and Letang more than he wants to chase money.

I just think all the people falling to their knees to come to his defense are being had by his agent throwing out puff pieces to idiots like Rossi to do the PR work and run to twitter with. Why won't Geno re-sign for 6x3? Why does the FO have to cave and go 6x4?

One side has to compromise. I think they will, but people acting like Geno's being disrespected (big frowny face ) are kinda gullible.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Disagree. I think someone would overpay for Malkin on a 3 year deal, to the tune of 7.5M - 8M. He could also take a big money one year deal to Colorado and go for another Cup this year.

I don’t think that’s much more than he’ll get here. I think the Pens would settle at 7mil 3 yrs although they’ll try their best to get 6-6.5.

I don’t think Malkin will bet on his body for a one year deal. If it goes bad he loses out on a decent chunk of future money.

 

[Pens x]

You have to think Hextall is hiding in a janitor’s closet in PPG paints arena after the pressure of the draft and this contentious free agency war with Geno.

I hope someone is nice enough to drop him off a new buy one, get six suits free Joseph A. Bank suit that he loves to wear for him tomorrow.

 

[dogthateats]

 

[Darren McCord]

Fwiw, I do think Geno will be re-signed. I think he genuinely wants to play in Pittsburgh with Sid and Letang more than he wants to chase money.

I just think all the people falling to their knees to come to his defense are being had by his agent throwing out puff pieces to idiots like Rossi to do the PR work and run to twitter with. Why won't Geno re-sign for 6x3? Why does the FO have to cave and go 6x4?

One side has to compromise. I think they will, but people acting like Geno's being disrespected (big frowny face ) are kinda gullible.

I will say, part of it for me is frustration with Hextall. I do not think he has been great. Thats a personal opinion but it sways how I feel about this.

He does not seem committed to rebuilding or trying to win. You can go out and try to win, without being reckless like JR. I would like to have seen him do more.

 

[madinsomniac]

None. That would mean he would have to average 99 points a season for six seasons during the twilight of his career for a player who has played a full season once.

I have not heard the six years. I've heard three. That's around he age #66 & #99 retired I believe? Given his commitment to his body he could play longer than three but he would need to accept not being one of the best in the world anymore. There's no way he can play this way until he's 40. I'm thinking he'll end up in the 1,600-1,700 point range.

If he didn't have the injuries he would have absolutely had a shot at 2,000.

Lemieux played 26 games at 38 then there was the lockout. He played 10 games at 40 before being forced into retirement by an irregular heartbeat.

Gretzky retired at 38 and often muses he retired too early

Both were still extremely effective even though it was tge dead puck era through their older seasons

Generational players still have star abilities when they age… 80-90% of a sid, mario, or Gretzky is still a hell of a player

 

[Pens x]

I will say, part of it for me is frustration with Hextall. I do not think he has been great. Thats a personal opinion but it sways how I feel about this.

He does not seem committed to rebuilding or trying to win. You can go out and try to win, without being reckless like JR. I would like to have seen him do more.

People here continue to compare Hextall to post 2017 JR to try to convict themselves he hasn’t been a huge disappointment.

We needed someone to come in here and cut the fat, retool on the fly. Not spend two years making almost no changes to this roster. One of dumo/Pettersson should have been long gone by now, for instance.

You can’t dick around with his “patient” approach when the core is in their late 30’s. He should never have been hired to be GM of THIS team. He should go somewhere to be an assistant, or somewhere like the Yotes that can take 7 years of doing nothing.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I will say, part of it for me is frustration with Hextall. I do not think he has been great. Thats a personal opinion but it sways how I feel about this.

He does not seem committed to rebuilding or trying to win. You can go out and try to win, without being reckless like JR. I would like to have seen him do more.

I think the issues with Hextall are from a person's stance on how the team should be run. I think Mario and Burkle hired him to let the era play out without rocking the boat before dismantling things and rebuilding. The whole "FSG wants to win now!" stuff is wild, because the team's been mired in mediocrity for years and with a core as old and supporting cast as flawed, the days of legit contending are over. If they wanna win, they gotta perform some serious surgery. I don't think Hextall's the guy to do that, so if the ownership group *really* wants to win, they should've removed him after the 1st round exit.

But I'm not convinced whatsoever the plan has really changed. They're all just gonna let the core ride off into the sunset together, and not rock the boat too much. That's not on Hextall, imo.

Most of the umbrage with Hextall, if not all, should be directed at ownership. Previous owners hired him a couple years too early to do his thing, thanks to JR throwing a shitfit and stomping off. Current owners can't say they wanna gun hard for Cups while keeping Hextall at the helm and the team returning is preeeeetty much unchanged.

 

[Darren McCord]

People here continue to compare him to post 2017 JR to try to convict themselves he hasn’t been a huge disappointment.

I dont think he has been a huge disappointment but just hasn't been much at all. Why keep the first if you are gona go for? Get help now.

I also was hoping he would have done more at the deadline.