Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap: Free Agency, everyone panic!!! Geno talk to the Geno thread only please

[Zirakzigil]

Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.

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[Big Friggin Dummy]

No I don’t. Think he gets 8-9 x 5. Who gives him that? Definitely not a contender.

Say he gets 8 x 5 that’s 40 mil tho. Is 3 mill really that much of a discount?

I think people get too caught up in all the big numbers flying around.

That's still three million f***ing dollars. Sometimes we gotta step back and realize that. I still believe, 100%, Letang could've gotten right around $45 million.

I don't think he was ever getting paid by a contender. He didn't stick around because this team's on the cusp of a Cup.

 

[Darren McCord]

How close were the Letang numbers we heard for months to what actually was signed?

I feel like the rumors were around 8.5-9 over 4 years. Which is the same money he got over six tho

 

[Pittsburgh1776]

How close were the Letang numbers we heard for months to what actually was signed?

According to what's reported the issue isn't money but term. Guarantee Letang was never offered a two year deal for 6M.

 

[SEALBound]

For christ f***ing sakes Hextall, give Geno the f***ing extra year you f***ing muppet.

 

[TKalltheTime]

Here's my cynical take: Zucker hasn't been traded because the organization doesn't view him as a mistake. Just as a victim of bad luck.

Here is a real take… Zucker makes 5.5 million f***ing dollars, is always hurt, and is the epitome of MEHHH often when he is in the lineup… THAT is exactly why that clown is still here. He’s pretty unmoveable without screwing the Pens badly.

 

[Darren McCord]

I think people get too caught up in all the big numbers flying around.

That's still three million f***ing dollars. Sometimes we gotta step back and realize that. I still believe, 100%, Letang could've gotten right around $45 million.

I don't think he was ever getting paid by a contender. He didn't stick around because this team's on the cusp of a Cup.

Well I disagree with what he would of got. Letang wasn’t going to a rebuilding team for money. He wanted to stay or be close to home in Mtl.

I struggling to see any place he would actually go giving him that.

Sure it’s 3 million but when you have millions is that really enough to take you far from home for four years?

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think that propaganda piece from JP Barry is doing what it intended to, it's riling up Penguins fans.

 

[Darren McCord]

I think that propaganda piece from JP Barry is doing what it intended to, it's riling up Penguins fans.

Yes but at the same time Hextall put himself in this spot. He had a year to get these deals done but signed his guy first

 

[Tom Hanks]

Imagine giving a f***ing player 35, a 6yr deal but you give a 36yr old just a 2yr deal maybe 3.

Really hate this FSG ownership already. Mario and whatever the warts he came with as an owner - wanted Malkin signed. Lost power and now FSG is f***ing around.

Letang

Malkin

 

[Pittsburgh1776]

Malkin is almost certainly asking for at least 3x8, would do 4x6 instead. Pens don't want to go past 3x6. Said from the start if a deal gets done it will be near 3x7, the two sides should just sign and be done with this. But now it's awkward with all this stuff coming out. Not a fan of this kind of drama, and of course none of the leaks are coming from Hextall. No leaks for Rust or Letang either. Rossi should resign and become Malkin's publicist, the player and his agent should have to pay for this kind of PR.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yes but at the same time Hextall put himself in this spot. He had a year to get these deals done but signed his guy first

Again, for the millionth time, Carter has literally no relevance to the Malkin situation.

 

[SomeDude]

According to what's reported the issue isn't money but term. Guarantee Letang was never offered a two year deal for 6M.

That is being reported by the same people who were miles off on the Letang deal. As said, Hextall runs a leak-tight ship. The only source that would be talking is Malkin's side, and of course they would want to paint the Pens as the bad guys to pressure them into caving and it's working on a lot of people. That is how negotiations work.

This is almost exactly what happened with Ovechkin and the Caps before he signed his big deal. It went from "Caps want to sign Ovi to 1 year deals from now on" to "Ovi may go home to Russia or test UFA" to "Ovi re-signs!"

 

[Pittsburgh1776]

That is being reported by the same people who were miles off on the Letang deal. As said, Hextall runs a leak-tight ship. The only source that would be talking is Malkin's side, and of course they would want to paint the Pens as the bad guys to pressure them into caving and it's working on a lot of people. That is how negotiations work.

This is almost exactly what happened with Ovechkin and the Caps before he signed his big deal. It went from "Caps want to sign Ovi to 1 year deals from now on" to "Ovi may go home to Russia or test UFA" to "Ovi re-signs!"

Were they? The only thing that changed Letang's AAV was two extra years. Same with Rust.

 

[TimmyD]

Well as a season ticket holder I did pay for #71's last season with 3 primary 5 on 5 assists.

Not a great investment.



3 Primary Assists 5 on 5 all season. It is raining wrong drops on your head. You're soaked in wrong in fact.

Again I ask why you think you are special? You keep failing to answer that. You didn’t pay for jack shit. I think you need to really understand that you aren’t some important person. Because the fact is you just aren’t. Your money means nothing to this team because if you weren’t spending it, there is someone on a list waiting to take your spot.

We finally agree on something

I would rather have Rakell AND Palat. Which I think is doable to be honest

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't think anyone Hextall signed has had any effect on the Geno and Letang stuff. His inability or refusal to remove bloated contracts from guys like Zucker, Petts, etc. has had wayyyy more of an effect on this summer than any Carter, CDS, etc. signings.

Though I'm still bewildered by Carter getting two years, and a NMC to boot. That's f***ing weird to me.

Well I disagree with what he would of got. Letang wasn’t going to a rebuilding team for money. He wanted to stay or be close to home in Mtl.

I struggling to see any place he would actually go giving him that.

Sure it’s 3 million but when you have millions is that really enough to take you far from home for four years?

GMs go wild for potential #1 d-men. I really think Letang could've gotten an absurd deal ($40-45 million) if he went to FA. Definitely not with a contender but there would've been deals lined up for him to pick from, for sure, imo.

And yeah, for millions, I'd play wherever. He's not gonna be living anywhere but the lap of luxury regardless of where he ends up. If his family lives in Montreal year round, he's one luxury flight away regardless of whether he's playing in Pittsburgh or somewhere else. /shrug

 

[Empoleon8771]

I understand people getting worked up about that Rob Rossi article from earlier today, what I don't understand is how we've gone from "Rob Rossi is a clueless hack who has no connections within the Penguins organization" to "the Penguins are disrespecting Malkin and Malkin is distraught that they seem like they don't want him anymore. Especially considering it's a blatantly obvious propaganda piece that has his agent's fingerprints all over it.

Everyone on day 1 and day 2 of the draft was saying how much they wanted Malkin back, all of Hextall, Sullivan, Letang and Crosby (according to Yohe) said this. This was right after Hextall got an amazing deal on Letang to keep his AAV around $6 million. But because of a propaganda piece by Malkin's agent from a source that everyone believes isn't credible, suddenly Hextall is bad again? What?

Just look at the language of that article. Malkin is "distraught" because he feels like the team is "disrespecting" him and thinks "he is not good anymore". Crosby went down because he wanted to check up on Malkin because Malkin "did not feel wanted anymore". How can anyone buy that this is an objective report?

 

[Pittsburgh1776]

I understand people getting worked up about that Rob Rossi article from earlier today, what I don't understand is how we've gone from "Rob Rossi is a clueless hack who has no connections within the Penguins organization" to "the Penguins are disrespecting Malkin and Malkin is distraught that they seem like they don't want him anymore. Especially considering it's a blatantly obvious propaganda piece that has his agent's fingerprints all over it.

Everyone on day 1 and day 2 of the draft was saying how much they wanted Malkin back, all of Hextall, Sullivan, Letang and Crosby (according to Yohe) said this. This was right after Hextall got an amazing deal on Letang to keep his AAV around $6 million. But because of a propaganda piece by Malkin's agent from a source that everyone believes isn't credible, suddenly Hextall is bad again? What?

The only way to not get worked up is to believe that everything in the article is a lie. Which it might be.

Without knowing inside information though, I wouldn't blame Malkin for feeling disrespected considering everyone and their brother got locked up before he did.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The only way to not get worked up is to believe that everything in the article is a lie. Which it might be.

Or another way is to realize that it's obviously propaganda from Malkin's agent, and the grossly exaggerated language used is trying to make the fans turn on the team for not giving Malkin what he wants.

Everything in there could be true, but grossly exaggerated to portray an inaccurate picture. The hyperbolical language in the article alone gives me a pretty clear red flag that this isn't an objective article.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The whole "disrespect" thing is so overblown. f*** both sides playing on the emotions of the fanbase. Damn soap opera dorks.

You work out and play a game for a living and have made immeasurable wealth. Get over yourself and either sign the 6x3 deal or move on. Likewise, if you're (the FO) willing to give Letang 6 years when he probably isn't even playing more than 4, just give Geno the 4 years. Dude probably won't even finish a 3 year deal, so f*** it.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I understand people getting worked up about that Rob Rossi article from earlier today, what I don't understand is how we've gone from "Rob Rossi is a clueless hack who has no connections within the Penguins organization" to "the Penguins are disrespecting Malkin and Malkin is distraught that they seem like they don't want him anymore. Especially considering it's a blatantly obvious propaganda piece that has his agent's fingerprints all over it.

Everyone on day 1 and day 2 of the draft was saying how much they wanted Malkin back, all of Hextall, Sullivan, Letang and Crosby (according to Yohe) said this. This was right after Hextall got an amazing deal on Letang to keep his AAV around $6 million. But because of a propaganda piece by Malkin's agent from a source that everyone believes isn't credible, suddenly Hextall is bad again? What?

Just look at the language of that article. Malkin is "distraught" because he feels like the team is "disrespecting" him and thinks "he is not good anymore". Crosby went down because he wanted to check up on Malkin because Malkin "did not feel wanted anymore". How can anyone buy that this is an objective report?

I think what has upset people through this entire process is that it seems clear Malkin is not asking for the world. None of the numbers that have been leaked have suggested that he wants $8 million or something.

What's also hard to comprehend is that the Penguins agreed to sign Letang to six years, but seem extremely hesitant to give Malkin even half of that.

Given the cost of what else is out there, it seems like a really fair compromise of $6 million over 4 years or $6.5 million over 3 years is right there, and the Pens don't seem to be willing to budge. They've already won. They can have Malkin and Letang back for less than $13 million a year. That's a steal. How much more do you need to win by?

 

[Darren McCord]

I don't think anyone Hextall signed has had any effect on the Geno and Letang stuff. His inability or refusal to remove bloated contracts from guys like Zucker, Petts, etc. has had wayyyy more of an effect on this summer than any Carter, CDS, etc. signings.

Though I'm still bewildered by Carter getting two years, and a NMC to boot. That's f***ing weird to me.


GMs go wild for potential #1 d-men. I really think Letang could've gotten an absurd deal ($40-45 million) if he went to FA. Definitely not with a contender but there would've been deals lined up for him to pick from, for sure, imo.

And yeah, for millions, I'd play wherever. He's not gonna be living anywhere but the lap of luxury regardless of where he ends up. If his family lives in Montreal year round, he's one luxury flight away regardless of whether he's playing in Pittsburgh or somewhere else. /shrug

Ehhh I mean you say that but when you have millions that changes your mind about what millions means. There is a different going to a home after work vs an apt. His family has roots in Pittsburgh still.

 

[Tom Hanks]

I understand people getting worked up about that Rob Rossi article from earlier today, what I don't understand is how we've gone from "Rob Rossi is a clueless hack who has no connections within the Penguins organization" to "the Penguins are disrespecting Malkin and Malkin is distraught that they seem like they don't want him anymore. Especially considering it's a blatantly obvious propaganda piece that has his agent's fingerprints all over it.

Everyone on day 1 and day 2 of the draft was saying how much they wanted Malkin back, all of Hextall, Sullivan, Letang and Crosby (according to Yohe) said this. This was right after Hextall got an amazing deal on Letang to keep his AAV around $6 million. But because of a propaganda piece by Malkin's agent from a source that everyone believes isn't credible, suddenly Hextall is bad again? What?

Just look at the language of that article. Malkin is "distraught" because he feels like the team is "disrespecting" him and thinks "he is not good anymore". Crosby went down because he wanted to check up on Malkin because Malkin "did not feel wanted anymore". How can anyone buy that this is an objective report?

Crosby visiting Malkin and The Simpson’s predicted what happened

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm willing to bet a substantial amount of money that the current situation is that Malkin is willing to take the $6 million a year for 3 years deal the Penguins offered, but JP Barry is just doing this hail Mary at the end by playing with the media to try to get the Penguins to buckle and give Malkin that fourth year. Or more money I suppose, but I bet it's mostly the fourth year.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Not sure I see why. Rakell showed chemistry with Crosby and Malkin. If I had to choose between the two in a vacuum, I’ll go with the guy I know rather than a guy who should play well.

Normally I’d agree but Rakell was concussed in the playoffs and looked like a shell of himself in his one game back after the concussion.

In truth I hope they can get someone better than Rakell/Palat for L2.

 

[Darren McCord]

Again, for the millionth time, Carter has literally no relevance to the Malkin situation.

You can say that all you want. But it does.

Carter is gona be 39 when his deal is up.
Malkin would be 39 when his deal is up if they signed him for 4 years.

You don’t think bringing in a older guy and singing him first wouldn’t rub malkin and letang the wrong way?

TB could have been the third line center as well to start the year. They didn’t have to rush to sign Carter.