Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap: Free Agency, everyone panic!!! Geno talk to the Geno thread only please

[Zirakzigil]

Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.

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[Pittsburgh1776]

I don't disagree at all. Lot of nonsense coming out of a lot of mouths in Pitt today. I would say it's 50-50 that a deal gets done with Pittsburgh. Maybe 60-40. I wouldn't be surprised to see him test FA.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Yeah, it's not about outright tanking to land Mario or Sid. That's not possible with the lotto. Hell, it was luck that landed Sid too.

I think scouting and development are more important than ever, tbh. If a team's got a good group of people in those departments then they're in a good spot. Luck always heavily factors in too, obviously. Makar's on the short list for the very best players on the planet and he was, what, 4th overall, 5th?

4OA. MacK was #1OA, Landeskog was 2OA, Bowen's 4OA, and Rantanen's 10OA.

What's odd about the Avs is that they are basically all 1st rounders, or trades/UFA signings. No 3rd round picks like Jake or Letang. No late round miracle like Hornqvist.

 

[dogthateats]

 

[Tom Hanks]

Not calling out you in particular but people seem to be pretty damn gung-ho about bringing back the exact same team that lost in the first round after a 3-1 lead.

Not sure what people think is going to happen here. They got dumped in the first round for the past 4 years.

It’s not the same team if Rakell & Jarry/DeSmith play next playoffs. Plus whatever else we do from here.

ERod’s not coming back. He’s chasing waterfalls money

 

[HandshakeLine]

I don't disagree at all. Lot of nonsense coming out of a lot of mouths in Pitt today. I would say it's 50-50 that a deal gets done with Pittsburgh. Maybe 60-40. I wouldn't be surprised to see him test FA.

Tyler Kennedy looks like he's an extra in one of those prestige dramas about alcoholics with gambling problems in Reno.

 

[CallArnoldSlick]

4OA. MacK was #1OA, Landeskog was 2OA, Bowen's 4OA, and Rantanen's 10OA.

What's odd about the Avs is that they are basically all 1st rounders, or trades/UFA signings. No 3rd round picks like Jake or Letang. No late round miracle like Hornqvist.

Don't forget Jack Johnson #3OA!

 

[HandshakeLine]

You'd better listen to what the dog's barkin', Hockey Media.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Why do I give a shit what Tyler Kennedy thinks

 

[HandshakeLine]

Don't forget Jack Johnson #3OA!

I was trying to. THANKS.



I'm just merely talking about players the Avs drafted here, for the record, not players they signed or traded for.

Why do I give a shit what Tyler Kennedy thinks

He was great in Reno 911!

 

[ndolla]

Simple. $15.3 in cap space now, trade Pettersson for a pick, use that pick and another pick to dump Zucker, now we have $24.8 in cap space.

Sign Malkin for $6M/4 years
Sign Palat for $6.5M/5 years
Sign Rakell for $4.5M/5 years
Sign Heinen for $2.5M/2 years
Sign Rodrigues for $3M/3 years
POJ is roughly $1M

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Palat-Malkin-Rakell
Heinen-Carter-Rodrigues
McGinn-Blueger-DOC
Zohorna

Dumoulin-Letang
Matheson-Marino
POJ-Ruhwedel
Friedman

That’s a Stanley Cup team the next 2-3 years. We know a great L1, that L2 is basically a L1, L3 there has diverse skill set and Rodrigues can play center when there’s an injury. Still have $1.3M in cap space, next year the cap goes up a million, and a million off JJ’s buyout…that three million goes towards Jarry’s raise. Only other UFAs are Blueger and Dumoulin who we re-sign for the same or replace with similar cap hit.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Also, who is even saying Malkin is being greedy or something like that? I've seen pretty much no one accuse Malkin of wanting too much or being greedy. The arguments around keeping Malkin from Penguins fans revolve around the fact that a lot of people don't want him back, not that they think he's asking for too much. There are pretty much no people out there who want Malkin back but think he's being greedy by asking for $6 million.

I have no clue who TK was responding to there.

 

[Headshot77]

The issue I see with this is that Malkin is just not what he was even 3 years ago anymore. Who knows, maybe he turns it around with a fully healthy off-season this year, but I don't see how Malkin's 2019-2020 has any relevance with him going forward. I think an optimistic expectation for him going forward is in the 60-70 point range per season after you account for injuries.

Like I've been saying all along, both sides should just agree to a fair deal here. The Penguins are apparently at 3 years and $6 million, while Malkin is at 4 years and $6 million. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to find a middle ground there, which is why I'm expecting a contract with him to be sorted out sometime within the next few days.

The obvious compromise is to go 3.5 years, duh

 

[dogthateats]

You'd better listen to what the dog's barkin', Hockey Media.

You smell what i’m steppin’ in?

 

[HandshakeLine]

You smell what i’m steppin’ in?

Gravy Train kibbles with a hint of schnauzer post-processing?

 

[Kristopher Letang]

Also, who is even saying Malkin is being greedy or something like that? I've seen pretty much no one accuse Malkin of wanting too much or being greedy. The arguments around keeping Malkin from Penguins fans revolve around the fact that a lot of people don't want him back, not that they think he's asking for too much. There are pretty much no people out there who want Malkin back but think he's being greedy by asking for $6 million.

I have no clue who TK was responding to there.

He’s responding to Twitter Pens fans lol That’s facebook on steroids.

 

[HandshakeLine]

TK has twitter fans? Lol.

"I follow him for his savvy financial advice and his plastic surgery tips!"

 

[Tom Hanks]

The obvious compromise is to go 3.5 years, duh

Malkin puts an addendum in the contract that he guarantees he will be injured for the 2nd half of the final year

 

[Pens x]

Simple. $15.3 in cap space now, trade Pettersson for a pick, use that pick and another pick to dump Zucker, now we have $24.8 in cap space.

Sign Malkin for $6M/4 years
Sign Palat for $6.5M/5 years
Sign Rakell for $4.5M/5 years
Sign Heinen for $2.5M/2 years
Sign Rodrigues for $3M/3 years
POJ is roughly $1M

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Palat-Malkin-Rakell
Heinen-Carter-Rodrigues
McGinn-Blueger-DOC
Zohorna

Dumoulin-Letang
Matheson-Marino
POJ-Ruhwedel
Friedman

That’s a Stanley Cup team the next 2-3 years. We know a great L1, that L2 is basically a L1, L3 there has diverse skill set and Rodrigues can play center when there’s an injury. Still have $1.3M in cap space, next year the cap goes up a million, and a million off JJ’s buyout…that three million goes towards Jarry’s raise. Only other UFAs are Blueger and Dumoulin who we re-sign for the same or replace with similar cap hit.

$3 million for Erod?

But why???

Can we not do that please. Cut his loose.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'm not even sure Geno finishes a three year deal, tbh. Just give him four to get this bullshit soap opera over with and move along to bringing back the roster that the team likes so much.

 

[dogthateats]

TK knows how to use a smart phone?

 

[Pittsburgh1776]

Also, who is even saying Malkin is being greedy or something like that? I've seen pretty much no one accuse Malkin of wanting too much or being greedy. The arguments around keeping Malkin from Penguins fans revolve around the fact that a lot of people don't want him back, not that they think he's asking for too much. There are pretty much no people out there who want Malkin back but think he's being greedy by asking for $6 million.

I have no clue who TK was responding to there.

You haven't been reading Pitt media, obviously.

 

[Power Surge]

I think your assessment of where the team currently sits is incredibly off base.

First, with league average goaltending, they beat the Rangers in 5 or 6 games. That puts them against Carolina, a very winnable series. They might not have beaten Tampa, but this team was league average goaltending away from being one of the Top 4 teams in the league this year, even with an aging core. You don't tear it down prematurely when you're that close to playing for the Cup.

Second, the nuclear method isn't as successful as the Penguins have made it look. For example, if the Penguins had begun dismantling the team last year like you suggested and begun to stockpile draft picks, they'd be picking in two of the shallowest drafts in recent years. None of the top picks recently have rated as an Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby, etc. type. Bedard does next year, but there is no guarantee that the Pens would get the top pick.

Third, you may point to the Wings, but I point to the Kings. After a couple early exits following their Cup, they began to emphasize getting younger and missed the playoffs three years in a row. They kept their core of Doughty, Kopitar and Quick, brought in younger players, and are now on the rise again behind guys in their mid-to-early 20s with their older core still playing major roles.

My man! Always says it better.

Not calling out you in particular but people seem to be pretty damn gung-ho about bringing back the exact same team that lost in the first round after a 3-1 lead.

Not sure what people think is going to happen here. They got dumped in the first round for the past 4 years.

I guess You forgot that they had AHL level goaltending in that series. The goal obviously next year is everyone healthy. I advocated for Holtby over DeSmith but looks like Holtby is retiring.

I'm of the opinion that Jarry this year needs less starts and regulated to 1A. If DeSmith gets hurt again because he can't handle a 1B role then I'm for trading for another goalie. I don't trust DeSmith so... I'm sure they will end up with another goalie past mid season. Maybe one or both **** the bed which is definitely possible.

 

[Kristopher Letang]

TK knows how to use a smart phone?

Never heard of the iOS "lick to unlock" feature?

 

[ndolla]

$3 million for Erod?

But why???

Can we not do that please. Cut his loose.

I don’t think you’re getting better value for that contract than with someone you know can gel with Crosby, step up at center, and is comfortable here. He’s not the best, but I think he’s worth $3M per.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

When a GM is making deals based on what someone "deserves" instead of what's best for the team moving forward, he should no longer be GM.
There is no room for sentiment as GM.
Rutherford tried that approach with Jack Johnson and look what happened, and is still happening to our cap.

Malkin can get a good contract based on what he can bring at ages 36-40, which is still significant.
Talking about what he's done for Pittsburgh with the Cups is something for fans, not for Hextall. His job is 2022-23 and beyond.