Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap: Free Agency, everyone panic!!! Geno talk to the Geno thread only please

[Zirakzigil]

Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.

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[DearDiary]

I mean, he scored 20 goals in 41 games,, above a PPG, and carries the power play. I'm okay with moving on from him if you have a replacement. Who is a realistic option to replace that?

I would take less offense for more defense but there isn't even that available.

20 goals in 41 games seems nice at first, but look at his 5on5 goals the past 4 seasons

41 games = 10 goals
33 games = 3 goals
55 games = 16 goals
68 games = 11 goals

Now consider his penalties, giveaways and lack of defensive play. Malkin is absolutely a replaceable player by anyone who can put up a 60 points season, stay healthy and not be liability to their team

 

[Andy99]

Palat-Malkin- Rakell would be a sweet L2..

 

[Pens x]

Palat-Malkin- Rakell would be a sweet L2..

For sure.

 

[Darren McCord]

Replace Palat with Trocheck and that's what I'm thinking the realistic best case scenario is. Pettersson out, they let their RFAs go and they sign Trocheck and Rakell to play with Malkin.

Ehh Palat was a beast in the SCF. He was better than Kuch to me. I would want him over Trocheck.

But either would be cool

The Penguins currently have about $15.3M in cap space.

Moving Pettersson gives them about $19.3M. Even if you manage to sign Malkin to $6M a season, Palat to $5.75M a season and Rakell to $4.5M a season, that's still only $3M left to sign two bottom-six wingers. Not to mention including Pierre-Oliver Joseph.

DOC and Zohorna are fine for those spots. You can upgrade the bottom 6 at the deadline. Bottom 6 upgrades are a lot easy to acquire than top 6. You spend money in the offseason there.

 

[Jobeycool]

It sounded like Letang had a big 4yr offer from someone else.

Malkin isn’t likely to get much more than what the Pens will give him on the open market.

99% sure it gets done. If Malkin wants 4 yrs I’d up the AAV to 7mil max and stick to 3yrs max.

If he’s healthy and performing then he can go for big AAV 1 year deals.

Thornton got single year deals in the end for
8mil
5mil
2mil
700k
750k

They may be waiting on trades at the deadline they are pretty confident that will happen and open up some more for Malkin and others for cap space.

 

[Andy99]

Anaheim is $20 mil below the cap floor…come on Hex, dump a contract or two…going rate seems to be a second and third in the next two drafts…infinitely doable…

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'm all for dumping Dumo, Petts, McGinn and Zucker, but with Forsberg off the board and Gaudreau not a realistic get, it's not a pressing need to open up cap. /shrug

-edit- Just figure out what the f*** is going on with Geno one way or another and move along to the next step. I have zero faith this team is committed to actually reshaping the roster to the degree it needs to be reshaped in order to legitimately compete again. So just sign Geno to the $6 million x 4 year deal, re-sign Heinen, Kap and E-Rod, and wrap up your summer.

 

[Jacob]

I think just one of Pets or Zucker is fine by me.

 

[Pens x]

I'm all for dumping Dumo, Petts, McGinn and Zucker, but with Forsberg off the board and Gaudreau not a realistic get, it's not a pressing need to open up cap. /shrug

It is unless you want Erod/Heinen and Zucker in your top 6.

 

[CallArnoldSlick]

20 goals in 41 games seems nice at first, but look at his 5on5 goals the past 4 seasons

41 games = 10 goals
33 games = 3 goals
55 games = 16 goals
68 games = 11 goals

Now consider his penalties, giveaways and lack of defensive play. Malkin is absolutely a replaceable player by anyone who can put up a 60 points season, stay healthy and not be liability to their team

That's a.203 5-on-5 goals per game pace over those four seasons. That's about 17 goals per season, which is how many Jonathan Huberdeau scored last year.

Its the same rate Andrei Svechnikov scored. Better than Patrick Kane, John Tavares and Sebastian Aho.

Better than UFA replacement options in Ondrej Palat and Vincent Trocheck. Trocheck scored 11 in 81 games. Malkin scored 10 in 41.

Malkin's 10 in 41 was a better 5-on-5 pace than every Penguin minus Jake Guentzel last season.

 

[Flying Dego]

I know there's a GM out there willing to take Pettersson....if we could ship him out for a marginal asset like a late-mid rounder I'll be stoked.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Has any team actually done a rebuild on the fly without top 5 picks? FSG can have all the theories they want but the actual feasibility/execution of it is an entirely different question.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I know there's a GM out there willing to take Pettersson....if we could ship him out for a marginal asset like a late-mid rounder I'll be stoked.

I think Pettersson to Detroit makes a lot of sense, not only because Detroit has cap space and sucks but also because they're pretty thin on LD and Pettersson fits their timeline.

 

[Jacob]

I could see LA being interested in Pets. Seems like they have a lot of righties but few lefties. Anaheim as well.

 

[Turin]

I know there's a GM out there willing to take Pettersson....if we could ship him out for a marginal asset like a late-mid rounder I'll be stoked.

He’s only overpaid by a couple hundred K. He is definitely better than what a lot of teams are putting on their second pairing right now.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Has any team actually done a rebuild on the fly without top 5 picks? FSG can have all the theories they want but the actual feasibility/execution of it is an entirely different question.

Every time somebody is like "Boy I can't wait to draft the next Nolan Patrick" as an argument for not blowing things up and building from scratch through the draft, I just think of all the Hayes, Beleskey, Leino, Boedker, etc. deals signed in FA.

Building through FA and at the deadline is absolutely dumb, imo. Especially for a team with no locale draw like a NYC, Chicago, Vegas, Miami, LA, etc.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Every time somebody is like "Boy I can't wait to draft the next Nolan Patrick" as an argument for not blowing things up and building from scratch through the draft, I just think of all the Hayes, Beleskey, Leino, Boedker, etc. deals signed in FA.

Building through FA and at the deadline is absolutely dumb, imo. Especially for a team with no locale draw like a NYC, Chicago, Vegas, Miami, LA, etc.

If not tanking is as dumb as you claim, you'll get the tank picks you've got a semi for regardless.

 

[Tom Hanks]

I think Pettersson to Detroit makes a lot of sense, not only because Detroit has cap space and sucks but also because they're pretty thin on LD and Pettersson fits their timeline.

Was that on purpose?

 

[HandshakeLine]

Every time somebody is like "Boy I can't wait to draft the next Nolan Patrick" as an argument for not blowing things up and building from scratch through the draft, I just think of all the Hayes, Beleskey, Leino, Boedker, etc. deals signed in FA.

Building through FA and at the deadline is absolutely dumb, imo. Especially for a team with no locale draw like a NYC, Chicago, Vegas, Miami, LA, etc.

Yeah, I'm agnostic on the claim, honestly, but even the most recent cup winning team (Avs) that used FAs and trades to shape a great roster needed a lot of top 10 picks to get going, including a 2OA and a 1OA. Tampa too.

I just don't think a team can reasonably hope to compete without some of those elite young players you get in a good draft. And while you can't directly tank for a 1OA anymore, you can improve your odds for a top 5 pick which, in a good draft, should be enough.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

20 goals in 41 games seems nice at first, but look at his 5on5 goals the past 4 seasons

41 games = 10 goals
33 games = 3 goals
55 games = 16 goals
68 games = 11 goals

Now consider his penalties, giveaways and lack of defensive play. Malkin is absolutely a replaceable player by anyone who can put up a 60 points season, stay healthy and not be liability to their team

Crosby's 5on5 goals the past 4 seasons:
69 games = 15 goals
55 games = 11 goals
41 games = 9 goals
79 games = 19 goals

Prorated over 82 games the past 4 seasons:
Crosby - 18.15
Malkin - 16.65

Malkin's injury history is 100% an issue, but deep diving into his 5on5 numbers doesn't quite reveal what you're suggesting it reveals. Not unless you also think Crosby's 5on5 production is an issue too and we should move on from him as well for a cheaper 60 point guy.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

That's a.203 5-on-5 goals per game pace over those four seasons. That's about 17 goals per season, which is how many Jonathan Huberdeau scored last year.

Its the same rate Andrei Svechnikov scored. Better than Patrick Kane, John Tavares and Sebastian Aho.

Better than UFA replacement options in Ondrej Palat and Vincent Trocheck. Trocheck scored 11 in 81 games. Malkin scored 10 in 41.

Malkin's 10 in 41 was a better 5-on-5 pace than every Penguin minus Jake Guentzel last season.

Yeah I was gonna say, aside from that 3 in 33 those look pretty solid to me.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Crosby's 5on5 goals the past 4 seasons:
69 games = 15 goals
55 games = 11 goals
41 games = 9 goals
79 games = 19 goals

Prorated over 82 games the past 4 seasons:
Crosby - 18.15
Malkin - 16.65

Malkin's injury history is 100% an issue, but deep diving into his 5on5 numbers doesn't quite reveal what you're suggesting it reveals. Not unless you also think Crosby's 5on5 production is an issue too and we should move on from him as well for a cheaper 60 point guy.

Added on more (to the 5 on 5 goals)

Prorated over 82 games the past 4 seasons:
Crosby - 18.15
Malkin - 16.65
Guentzel - 26.25

 

[Josey Wales]

Note for future use: When you attack the person and ignore responding to their opinion with your response, you are admitting defeat. The reason my logic upsets you is that somewhere in your deep recesses, you know it might be the truth. Sorry for bringing this board back to reality...some have to do it.

UM you bring something but it is nowhere near reality, No even in the same Galaxy! But continue to scream at the sky

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Yeah, I'm agnostic on the claim, honestly, but even the most recent cup winning team (Avs) that used FAs and trades to shape a great roster needed a lot of top 10 picks to get going, including a 2OA and a 1OA. Tampa too.

I just don't think a team can reasonably hope to compete without some of those elite young players you get in a good draft. And while you can't directly tank for a 1OA anymore, you can improve your odds for a top 5 pick which, in a good draft, should be enough.

Yeah, it's not about outright tanking to land Mario or Sid. That's not possible with the lotto. Hell, it was luck that landed Sid too.

I think scouting and development are more important than ever, tbh. If a team's got a good group of people in those departments then they're in a good spot. Luck always heavily factors in too, obviously. Makar's on the short list for the very best players on the planet and he was, what, 4th overall, 5th?

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Let them treat Geno like shit, let's see how Sid reacts to that. They were so adamant about sticking together and they chose Letang.

What a f***ing joke this franchise has become.

Note for future use: When you attack the person and ignore responding to their opinion with your response, you are admitting defeat. The reason my logic upsets you is that somewhere in your deep recesses, you know it might be the truth. Sorry for bringing this board back to reality...some have to do it.

I put Ron's Weave or whatever the f*** that wankers username is on ignore because is absolute wanker to the definition.