Rumor: Pens and Canucks talking trade

[Canuck86]

When did Kapanen become a 50-60pt player?

 

[YP44]

Miller for PIT's next two firsts...

Simple and doesn't take anything off the Pens roster for their run.

Aren't the pens already in cap trouble once Malkin comes back?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Show me the bolded. I didn't read that anywhere.

You've had 2 people say Kapanen was redundant in Vancouver (despite him fitting literally every single bullet point mentioned in the OP) and you also had someone else suggest the Canucks would put no value on Kapanen whatsoever.

That seems to be pretty clearly pretending Kapanen is a nothing asset.

So did Kapanen never even get PP2 time?

Boeser got 681 powerplay minutes from 2018-2020. Kapanen got 212.

Boeser is a better powerplay player, and you can see that from their per 60 production on the powerplay (3.8 for Boeser, 2.0 for Kapanen). But it's not an apples to apples comparison, because Kapanen doesn't get the same minutes with the same caliber of teammates on the powerplay that Boeser has received.

 

[lawrence]

Rutherford said that teams already calling him on players before he even before he landed in Vancouver about certain players. Words spread fast around here.

 

[HaveKnifeWillButcher]

Why trade for the 4th best defenseman on the 18-19 Harvard Crimson when you could just play the 3rd (2nd?) best one?

 

[Your Boy Troy]

I know that the Canucks’ penalty kill has been in shambles, so maybe someone like Zach Aston-Reese would make sense. The management might be eager to give Drew O’Connor a permanent spot.

 

[Boondock]

You've had 2 people say Kapanen was redundant in Vancouver (despite him fitting literally every single bullet point mentioned in the OP) and you also had someone else suggest the Canucks would put no value on Kapanen whatsoever.

That seems to be pretty clearly pretending Kapanen is a nothing asset.



Boeser got 681 powerplay minutes from 2018-2020. Kapanen got 212.

Boeser is a better powerplay player, and you can see that from their per 60 production on the powerplay (3.8 for Boeser, 2.0 for Kapanen). But it's not an apples to apples comparison, because Kapanen doesn't get the same minutes with the same caliber of teammates on the powerplay that Boeser has received.

So 2 people stated that since the Canucks already have Miller, Boeser, Podkolzin, Garland, Hoglander and Pearson playing top 9 winger it wouldn't make a lot of sense to trade away assets to add another winger when our biggest need is RHD - and in your view saying Kap is redundant translates to "He's a nothing player and Boeser is amazing". I don't know how I didn't see it the same way now....

 

[3074326]

Rutherford said that teams already calling him on players before he even before he landed in Vancouver about certain players. Words spread fast around here.

I don't blame them. If we know one thing about JR, it's that he will trade players like he's playing a video game. Sometimes, it works. But those other times....

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

I don't blame them. If we know one thing about JR, it's that he will trade players like he's playing a video game. Sometimes, it works. But those other times....

Well he clearly has a vision of what he wants. That is a major step in the right direction for the Canucks

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

With Rutherford, I imagine he has set targets he wants and sometimes needs to make a trade with another team in order to acquire the asset the other team would like.

 

[3074326]

Well he clearly has a vision of what he wants. That is a major step in the right direction for the Canucks

No doubt. He did some great things in Pittsburgh upon arrival. It didn't end well, but these things never do.

 

[Peter Griffin]

JR said he’s not likely to do anything until after their roadtrip in mid-January. They also play 5 games in that span against teams directly ahead of them in their division so should have a better idea whether a playoff spot is even within reach by that point.

 

[elitepete]

Marino+ for Miller.

 

[lawrence]

I don't blame them. If we know one thing about JR, it's that he will trade players like he's playing a video game. Sometimes, it works. But those other times....

funny during the q and a, one guy asked that he said he uses analytics, but he proceeds to bring up jack Johnson and gudbranson as pieces he’s brought in, and questioned him about those transactions if he really did use analytics.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Marino+ for Miller.

That would not be a target of mine. Marino would be on the low end. Better come with a first and second and that won’t be happening due to roster makeup of the pens. We retain 50% and with two playoff runs at 2.75 million the second year and pro rated the rest of this year he is one of the best trade assets in the league.

 

[mriswith]

I can't imagine Rutherford makes a significant trade before hiring a GM. That would be extremely stupid.

 

[DearDiary]

I think if it was Marino + 1st + 2nd, That's a much more realistic proposal, and fits team needs much more.
But based on what pens fans are saying, Marino is a bit of a fan favorite, Doubt that happens.

Marino + 1st + 2nd for Miller and what else?

 

[DearDiary]

I am Legit starting to think you are Kasperi Kapanen.

And just like you think that Brock Boeser is incredibly Overrated,
You are Incredibly underrating JT MIller in the same context.

Boeser is a PP specialist, he does not do a whole lot at ES. Considering how much players like that are looked down on HFboards, I don't see why you're picking on him for what he said.

 

[CascadiaPenguin]

Rutherford loves Zucker. He tried to trade Kessel for him and ended up trading a first rounder for him the following season. I'm not saying it's a great idea...just that it's absolutely a Rutherford move.

Wait until POHO JR calls Colorado regarding Jack Johnson. Poor Canucks, they deserve better...

 

[elitepete]

Boeser is a PP specialist, he does not do a whole lot at ES. Considering how much players like that are looked down on HFboards, I don't see why you're picking on him for what he said.

Wrong.

 

[DearDiary]

Wrong.

As was posted previously, he was compared to and put up identical stats to Kapanen over the last 4 year at ES in both points/game and per60.

Boeser does not put up good numbers at ES, while he does on the PP. If that is not a PP specialist then show me what is.

Also, please refrain from 1 word posts like "wrong" if you want to have an actual conversation. Otherwise it makes you look ignorant

 

[elitepete]

As was posted previously, he's identical to Kapanen over the last 4 year at ES in both points/game and per60. Boeser does not put up good numbers at ES, while he does at PP. If that is not a PP specialist then show me what is

He had 4 less even strength points than Guentzel last year, despite Guentzal's point totals being inflated due to playing with Crosby.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Calling Boeser a PP specialist is fake news. The point I was making with showing those stats was that Kapanen was as good of an ES producer as Boeser, not that Boeser was a bad ES producer.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Marino + 1st + 2nd for Miller and what else?

Tyler Myers.

 

[elitepete]

At worst, Kapanen is a 45-50 point top-6 winger who brings a ton of speed. At best, he clicks with a star player and can elevate into a 50-60 point top-6 winger.

"At worst, Kapanen is something he has never accomplished in his career"

Lol.

It's because Boeser is comically overrated on this webstie. Boeser and Kapanen have virtually identical ES stat lines over the last 4 years.

Boeser's stats from 2018-2019, and 2019-2020 are not that relevant to what he is now, he wasn't far enough removed from his injuries.