GDT: Pens 2024 Trade Deadline Thread: Jake Shake Talk here

[SomeDude]

I doubt Jake is as pissed off with the team as Geno was, and yet we re-signed him.

Jake also is still in his prime and can get a much larger pay day from walking than Geno could have.

 

[Slaaapshuter]

Take this conversation elsewhere. Wrong thread.

Two threads started for a reason, and they were clearly defined. No excuses for this to happen.

 

[pistolpete11]

Jake was miffed the Pens didn’t make him a priority to re-sign this summer and apparently is set to test the market July 1..unlikely he re-signs…need to trade him…if he really wants to come back, they can discuss it in the summer

According to Andrew Fillipponi...

 

[BillyOcean]

Okay, but if they are committed to the big 3 until they retire, what do you suggest?

That's the rub of it, isnt it? I could counter and make a plan that involves firing the coach and getting younger players (a mandate from Dubas himself). I could even suggest similar instances where changing the type of player has helped the Penguins in the past (40 goal scorer for Hornqvist).

Someone will probably counter and say how unrealistic certain aspects of "my plan" are. We"ll go back and forth for 15 pages. Eventually it might get personal. Then for the next 6 months, we'll chase each other around threads to rehash the fact that a one-off remark one of us said was actually the worst idea ever.

The team hasn't gotten past the first round in 7 years now? The coaching is stale, and the roster is poorly constructed and relies too heavily on 36 year olds to carry the load every night. You don't make those changes overnight and without being bold.

 

[Empoleon8771]

According to Andrew Fillipponi...

Guys like Yohe, Rossi, DK and Fillipponi are jokes here until they say something that people agree with, then they're suddenly Bob McKenzie caliber insiders

 

[Jag68Sid87]

You really think this team still has a shot at competing, huh?

Define compete? Stanley Cup? No. And with this coach, all bets are off.

That said, I just hate the stupid narrative that you either have to go for it because the core is old, or you have to blow it up and trade everybody.

What this team needs is obvious: Youth. Players with more "hair on their butts" as former MLB outfielder Duke Snider used to say, a new start with new coaches and a new system, and scoring depth. Trading a 29-year-old winger might make sense if the price is right, but if you cannot get what you want, then you are adding to the problems.

Any trade offer MUST include a player who will become part of this team's core. I would not settle for less.

 

[molon labe]

The Caps get a DAMNED THIRD F'N ROUND PICK FOR EDMUNDSON!

If we aren't shopping the whole damned roster....oh my goodness.

What does that make Pettersson worth? 4 1sts?

Seriously, the Caps being managed better than the Pens is gross. Two years in a row they sell - and we're here....doing what exactly. And they're higher in the standings?? Clown damned world.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Even as Jake's number one hater around here, I gotta laugh at stuff like "he's a whatever pickup, you can't ask for a big return" when he's a PPG player in the playoffs and has 34 goals in 58 games in the post season. Yeah, I think he benefits immensely from playing with Sid, but he'd be playing with Barkov, Eichel, Zibanejad, Pettersson, or Aho of the teams rumored to be interested. He'll be fine.

Also, I'll never get over the way the team cradled Rust gently and sang him a lullaby as they reassured him they'd never dare ask him to waive his NTC. What f***ing losers.

Define compete? Stanley Cup? No. And with this coach, all bets are off.

That said, I just hate the stupid narrative that you either have to go for it because the core is old, or you have to blow it up and trade everybody.

What this team needs is obvious: Youth. Players with more "hair on their butts" as former MLB outfielder Duke Snider used to say, a new start with new coaches and a new system, and scoring depth. Trading a 29-year-old winger might make sense if the price is right, but if you cannot get what you want, then you are adding to the problems.

Any trade offer MUST include a player who will become part of this team's core. I would not settle for less.

Compete; as in have any shot at a Cup for the next decade. They don't, not even with Sid.

Nuke the coaching staff, nuke the scouting depts, start dismantling the roster beginning with Jake now, Petts and EK in the off-season. Accept reality. Enough of this half-assed bullshit while the team plays ever-worsening, slopshit, boring hockey.

 

[pistolpete11]

Guys like Yohe, Rossi, DK and Fillipponi are jokes here until they say something that people agree with, then they're suddenly Bob McKenzie caliber insiders

I think very little of Yohe, Rossi, and DK and I'm not sure I'd even put Fillipponi in that group. Those other guys are dorks who the organization and/or players occasionally uses as a mouthpiece. Fillipponi is just a radio shock jock.

 

[Coastal Kev]

It's not the Jake trade that has me concerned regarding Dubas, it's the lack of any other movement as the clock ticks. My bet, one very minor move will be made and they will announce a Jake contract tomorrow. Status quo is the franchise modus operandi.

Dedicated to Gurgleson

 

[FlightlessBird]

I find it funny that people always shit on DK as not being legit, until he says something that they agree with

This board does it about everybody. It gets tiring seeing “who cares what X says? He knows nothing!” every time a tweet is posted. What the f*** would we have to talk about if we can’t post things the media say because they “know nothing”?

 

[Gurglesons]

It's not the Jake trade that has me concerned regarding Dubas, it's the lack of any other movement as the clock ticks. My bet, one very minor move will be made and they will announce a Jake contract tomorrow. Status quo is the franchise modus operandi.

Dedicated to Gurgleson

I'm agreeing with Coastal Kev. Which means we are in 14-15 levels of franchise turmoil once again.

Sad.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Rust has the NMC for a couple more years. So it doesn't change his value to a team as near the end of his contract he's free to be moved to Arizona if need be. Dubs should 100% be listening to offers on Rust.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Guys like Yohe, Rossi, DK and Fillipponi are jokes here until they say something that people agree with, then they're suddenly Bob McKenzie caliber insiders

According to Rossi the sky was gonna fall when Shero and Bylsma were fired because they were big brain smarties with the power of Grayskull and everyone else are poopyfaced dumb butts that cant ties their shoes or wipe their own buttholes properly.

 

[Slaaapshuter]

The Caps get a DAMNED THIRD F'N ROUND PICK FOR EDMUNDSON!

If we aren't shopping the whole damned roster....oh my goodness.

What does that make Pettersson worth? 4 1sts?

Seriously, the Caps being managed better than the Pens is gross. Two years in a row they sell - and we're here....doing what exactly. And they're higher in the standings?? Clown damned world.

I have a feeling that if we wanted in on the selling it should have been done during the week. Won't be much ammunition left around the league for quantity of trades imo.

Only Guentzel and that's it?

 

[molon labe]

It's not the Jake trade that has me concerned regarding Dubas, it's the lack of any other movement as the clock ticks. My bet, one very minor move will be made and they will announce a Jake contract tomorrow. Status quo is the franchise modus operandi.

Dedicated to Gurgleson

No excuses. Depth pieces are on the move already - it's not like the annual "waiting on X factor to move for dominos to fall!" hose shit that everyone parrots every.single.year.

Edmundson literally just moved.

Eller, Acciari, Ned, Ruh, Petts (PLEASE) should be packing.

We should be icing Sid/Geno and AHL'ers tonight.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'd rather the team take a mediocre return than re-sign Jake. /shrug

 

[Turin]

Two threads remains dumb asf

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Okay, but if they are committed to the big 3 until they retire, what do you suggest?

That is the rub.

I think that they know that the window to be actual contenders has closed absent a lottery ticket type playoff run next year where the players achieve above their talent level. The core only gets older each year and the cupboard is bare in the minors where you can get cheap very skilled talent to put around that core.

But the core seems to want to end their careers here, and I can't say that we do not owe that to them. The fans would enjoy that ride off into the sunset as well.

So Dubas is caught in this head-heart fight. Logically he knows that the best thing might be to jump start a rebuild. His job could even be imperiled if the rebuild is delayed as it could add years to a rebuild.

But he has enormous pressure to go, if not the other way, to pretend as if they will rejigger the lineup a bit in the off-season and go back to cup favorites.

So he has pressure coming at him both ways.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

No excuses. Depth pieces are on the move already - it's not like the annual "waiting on X factor to move for dominos to fall!" hose shit that everyone parrots every.single.year.

Edmundson literally just moved.

Eller, Acciari, Ned, Ruh, Petts (PLEASE) should be packing.

We should be icing Sid/Geno and AHL'ers tonight.

People scoff at the idea that Petts should be shopped aggressively and I don't get it. The team's gonna trade Jake friggin' Guentzel, and people are wringing their hands over a guy everybody wanted dealt a season and a half ago? I think Petts is fine, he's taken a step up last year from what he was, and he's the only guy with half a brain defensively. But f*** Petts, who gives a shit?

 

[molon labe]

People scoff at the idea that Petts should be shopped aggressively and I don't get it. The team's gonna trade Jake friggin' Guentzel, and people are wringing their hands over a guy everybody wanted dealt a season and a half ago? I think Petts is fine, he's taken a step up last year from what he was, and he's the only guy with half a brain defensively. But f*** Petts, who gives a shit?

The latter is what makes him valuable. He's finally over-performing (after having under-performed) to contract which means he's valuable in a trade for "better" coming back. Bend over some contender like we got bent for years.

We can still ice an exciting team -and unlike you I think we COULD compete - but it would take serious work and I know Petts is a guy you'd love to have - but he would bring back more than he contributes at this point. Beyond this contract he's going to cost too much.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Anyway, hope the Canes step up and pay big to get Jake in the next 12 hours. After reading up on their prospects, they have really intriguing guys in their system.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Two threads remains dumb asf

 

[Gurglesons]

Anyway, hope the Canes step up and pay big to get Jake in the next 12 hours. After reading up on their prospects, they have really intriguing guys in their system.

Jack Drury, 1st and 3rd incoming.

 

[SEALBound]

DK basically saying in his am podcast that Dubas is not going to trade Jake unless it’s a franchise changing haul lol…if he wanted one, then he should have traded him this summer…so I guess we’re just going to let him possibly walk this summer and get nothing for him….that’s even worse than trading him for a first and a good prospect…that better not be Dubas’ thinking

This makes sense though. There's not much incentive, really, to trade Jake away for a meager return.

If you're getting Hoglander+Lekkerimaki, that makes total sense. A guy you hope pots .5ppg and a lottery ticket? No. If they do not trade Jake and Dubas says "they didn't meet the price tag and I wasn't willing to sell low", that will be 100% okay with me.

We're touchy about "who we are pissing off" at times. I have no doubt people will be pissed if it's two scrubs and a pick that have little impact over resigning him.

I have to think that if they don't trade him, there will be aggressive contract discussions and you get him at a slightly reduced rate. Like a $8mil x 6yrs which would be fair for both sides. Rust took a deal, Sid-Geno-Letang have all taken discounts. Jakey...now it's your turn.

Jake was miffed the Pens didn’t make him a priority to re-sign this summer and apparently is set to test the market July 1..unlikely he re-signs…need to trade him…if he really wants to come back, they can discuss it in the summer

Which is odd to me after how many times we were told he wanted to wait until summer...