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[Dennis Reynolds]

I am completely against any JVR acquisition if it doesn't involve McGinn's full salary going the other way.

JVR is producing at a near-identical clip as Kapanen. He's older. He's slower. He's more expensive. All he does well is stand in front of the net. And it's debatable whether he even does that well anymore.

But hey, GMRH knows him!

 

[orby]

Chycrhun/Schmaltz/Vejmelka would be a game-changing package to land, but I don't think the Pens have the assets to land all 3 of them. MAYBE two if they really sell the farm.

 

[Pancakes]

I don't agree with this but it's largely a bias against Zucker.

Even if you feel this way, think about who would be in the top six if Zucker were traded. McGinn? That'd be laughable. Kapanen is gone so that's no longer an option.

Moving Zucker is essentially waving the white flag on the season unless you make another addition elsewhere or call up someone from WBS and said call-up actually makes an immediate impact

 

[ChaosAgent]

As for the left field option…

There’s a Pittsburgh boy in Vancouver who can play all forward positions, is pretty good and signed long term. “Cheap” this season where Vancouver can also retain.

It would have been nice to have Kapanen to give to JR, but…

1st, 2nd ‘24, McGinn, Hallander or Poulin. Don’t know if that makes sense, add or subtract, its just the concept.

JT Miller could be the best 3C in the league or be an elite add next to Crosby, making that line harder to play.

Next season he could be a Zucker replacement, or he could be a Guentzel replacement if we try to cash in at the draft.

His contract extension is too long to be good value throughout, but for the period it matters it is likely fair value at 8 million.

No one we draft this year is likely to be a factor while Sid and Geno could still will us anywhere we want to go.

Hmmmm.

What I'm unsure of with Miller is the insane prices now. Maybe he is viewed as a fallback option to take a potentially toxic contract for a great player now, at a lower price than what was paid for Meier.

I think you are in the realm of reality with the offer. McGinn, Blueger, a prospect and our 2023 1st.

 

[molon labe]

Even if you feel this way, think about who would be in the top six if Zucker were traded. McGinn? That'd be laughable. Kapanen is gone so that's no longer an option.

Moving Zucker is essentially waving the white flag on the season unless you make another addition elsewhere or call up someone from WBS and said call-up actually makes an immediate impact

Hold your breath-

Blueger.

I think Blueger would be a wonderful piece on Malkins line in a Hagelin-lite usage. Rust is dogshit in the circle, Malkin is much improved...but I feel he gets tossed a lot. Blueger is 2nd best behind Carter there. Additionally, and more importantly - is where the 3rd forward should be on that line. Malkin floats and looks for wrist shots. Rust dries to the net and loves to play along the boards- we don't really have the half wall covered nor defensive matchups.

I know that's a sales job, but I frankly think it would work out. I just don't see tangible benefits to Zucker in the lineup. Tries hard - great, he's an energy guy in a contract year. Has big hits - do they actually turn into opportunities or goals?..or do those hits just give breath to the fans.. Like, he's had a few good goals for the Penguins the entire tenure here. You don't see him showing up late in games, creating the chances...I just don't understand his purpose as a player tbh.

 

[Andy99]

What I'm unsure of with Miller is the insane prices now. Maybe he is viewed as a fallback option to take a potentially toxic contract for a great player now, at a lower price than what was paid for Meier.

I think you are in the realm of reality with the offer. McGinn, Blueger, a prospect and our 2023 1st.

He’s not going to do well with a 3C role here…he has to play center in the top six, that’s his best usage…we can’t offer him that…Geno is not moving to wing

 

[ChaosAgent]

Hold your breath-

Blueger.

I think Blueger would be a wonderful piece on Malkins line in a Hagelin-lite usage. Rust is dogshit in the circle, Malkin is much improved...but I feel he gets tossed a lot. Blueger is 2nd best behind Carter there. Additionally, and more importantly - is where the 3rd forward should be on that line. Malkin floats and looks for wrist shots. Rust dries to the net and loves to play along the boards- we don't really have the half wall covered nor defensive matchups.

I know that's a sales job, but I frankly think it would work out. I just don't see tangible benefits to Zucker in the lineup. Tries hard - great, he's an energy guy in a contract year. Has big hits - do they actually turn into opportunities or goals?..or do those hits just give breath to the fans.. Like, he's had a few good goals for the Penguins the entire tenure here. You don't see him showing up late in games, creating the chances...I just don't understand his purpose as a player tbh.

I've been as Zucker skeptical as anyone, it he has been fantastic this year. One of our top couple of players. I'd sooner trade Guentzel.

 

[Pancakes]

Hold your breath-

Blueger.

I dunno, I'm not really seeing that. I think you'd have a better chance of someone in WBS making an impact on Malkin's wing.

Zucker should hit 20 goals this year. Probably 50 points. That's pretty solid considering all the forechecking pressure he brings.

If they opt to sell, he'd fetch a decent price. Judging by what Jeannott got we might get a million picks for him lol. Won't happen though

 

[Deport Ogie]

It's going to be JVR guys, c'mon. JVR is a move that has HEXTALL written all over it. So much so it may as well be the list of all-time goalie PIM leaders.

 

[Andy99]

Summary from another poster…I didn’t listen…

“Friedman and Marek went through all 32 teams on their 32 thoughts podcast. Friedman said:

--Nice to see that after getting embarrassed by Edmonton, they came back and won against STL and TB
--I would still be very careful if I were Pittsburgh about burning my futures on this year.
--They got a break with Kapanen. Friedman said a GM called him and said he has a funny feeling there could be a weird Pittsburgh trade where STL gets a draft pick for taking Kapanen. This opens space for them to do some things.
--I know they have been linked to Chychrun, but their biggest problem is they don't have enough in "juice" in their bottom 6. Friedman says come playoff time, you need those guys with juice, those bottom 6ers that are tough to play against. Pittsburgh doesn't have that. They are pretty docile. The Penguins used to have it. They had it when they won Cups with Mario, and they had it when they won Cups with Sid and Geno. Those Cup teams were nasty to play against, and I think the Penguins want to get back to that a bit.
--If the Penguins do something, that's where I think they add...around the edges, tougher to play against guys in the bottom 6.”

 

[HandshakeLine]

TB years past deserved a shot riding shotgun with Malkin, to at least see if it would work. I dunno about this year.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Zucker has been fine this year but they really, really shouldn't simply bring back the entire top six, as-is. But as big of a dick-kick as it would be to miss out on what would probably be a pretty decent return I'd begrudgingly hold on to Zucker for the rest of the year to see what this team can do. Because I just don't see good/realistic options to replace him down the stretch. And Sid/Malkin at least deserves whatever admittedly small chance this team can earn itself.

I would absolutely not buy, though. And as a side bar... JT Miller seems like a potential poison pill. So no thanks, there.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Summary from another poster…I didn’t listen…

“Friedman and Marek went through all 32 teams on their 32 thoughts podcast. Friedman said:

--Nice to see that after getting embarrassed by Edmonton, they came back and won against STL and TB
--I would still be very careful if I were Pittsburgh about burning my futures on this year.
--They got a break with Kapanen. Friedman said a GM called him and said he has a funny feeling there could be a weird Pittsburgh trade where STL gets a draft pick for taking Kapanen. This opens space for them to do some things.
--I know they have been linked to Chychrun, but their biggest problem is they don't have enough in "juice" in their bottom 6. Friedman says come playoff time, you need those guys with juice, those bottom 6ers that are tough to play against. Pittsburgh doesn't have that. They are pretty docile. The Penguins used to have it. They had it when they won Cups with Mario, and they had it when they won Cups with Sid and Geno. Those Cup teams were nasty to play against, and I think the Penguins want to get back to that a bit.
--If the Penguins do something, that's where I think they add...around the edges, tougher to play against guys in the bottom 6.”

Friedman gets it. The bottom six is the main issue (and DeSmith, in my mind, but I know the Pens like him).

Let's hope Hextall is thinking the same way and does something to upgrade there.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

[AuroraBorealis] Hearing PIT GM Ron Hextall is on day 4 of 7 of his expected recovery period, following placing F Kasperi Kapanen on waivers. He is resting at home, comfortably.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Funnily enough, why is it when we have sandpaper players in the bottom 6, the coach hates it?

I'm all for getting tougher there, but let's be honest, there's a reason the bottom 6 is the way it is.

 

[Pancakes]

Hextall could take a page or two from Tampa. JBB gets it.

 

[Turin]

Hextall could take a page or two from Tampa. JBB gets it.

He gets it, but I hope Hextall doesn’t gets it that much. Pens aren’t in a position to burn all their assets on 1 bottom six guy having a bad year.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Funnily enough, why is it when we have sandpaper players in the bottom 6, the coach hates it?

I'm all for getting tougher there, but let's be honest, there's a reason the bottom 6 is the way it is.

Mike Sullivan has no input on the roster. Only Ron Hextall.

 

[Pancakes]

He gets it, but I hope Hextall doesn’t gets it that much. Pens aren’t in a position to burn all their assets on 1 bottom six guy having a bad year.

No of course not, I don't want rentals. We aren't in the same position as Tampa any more. But imo you gotta do something. Or sell. Either works for me, just don't take the shitty ass middleground.

I also don't think Jeannott will be a rental for Tampa. They always find a way to re-sign these guys that they pay out the ass for

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Mike Sullivan has no input on the roster. Only Ron Hextall.

I really doubt that that's true.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Funnily enough, why is it when we have sandpaper players in the bottom 6, the coach hates it?

I'm all for getting tougher there, but let's be honest, there's a reason the bottom 6 is the way it is.

It's not necessarily sandpaper in a Ryan Reaves mold, but strong forecheckers and battlers who help maintain possession. Guys in the mold of Bonino, Cullen, Kuhnhackl, early days of Rust, even Hagelin.

They weren't top six guys masquerading as something else. They were role players who embraced their spot and worked their assess off.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I really doubt that that's true.

Sorry I forgot to add the /s

I admit that was a tad dry even for me.

 

[Nakawick]

I don't really wanna give up a package like that for a guy I'm not sure has a legitimate spot/role on this blueline. Who does Chychrun play with? Letang's as bad as I can ever remember him being this season and I don't know what Chychrun does to fix that--though maybe letting Letang settle into a more defensive role would be better than asking him to try and go full bore at both ends of the ice. Petry doesn't seem like a good partner for the dude. I sure as shit don't want to do that deal just to play Chychrun on the 3rd pairing.


Yeah, it's far less boring to kick around what the three of Zucker, Dumo and Jarry will be getting from this team when they're re-signed in the summer, two months into golfing.

Who are we drafting to replace Sid, Geno and Letang with 1st round picks in the 15-30 range? Kapanen? Poulin? Despres? Ty Smith? A sell only happens if we are well out of the playoff race. The Pens window is the end of Sid’s contract. Fire your bullets now.

 

[Turin]

Summary from another poster…I didn’t listen…

“Friedman and Marek went through all 32 teams on their 32 thoughts podcast. Friedman said:

--Nice to see that after getting embarrassed by Edmonton, they came back and won against STL and TB
--I would still be very careful if I were Pittsburgh about burning my futures on this year.
--They got a break with Kapanen. Friedman said a GM called him and said he has a funny feeling there could be a weird Pittsburgh trade where STL gets a draft pick for taking Kapanen. This opens space for them to do some things.
--I know they have been linked to Chychrun, but their biggest problem is they don't have enough in "juice" in their bottom 6. Friedman says come playoff time, you need those guys with juice, those bottom 6ers that are tough to play against. Pittsburgh doesn't have that. They are pretty docile. The Penguins used to have it. They had it when they won Cups with Mario, and they had it when they won Cups with Sid and Geno. Those Cup teams were nasty to play against, and I think the Penguins want to get back to that a bit.
--If the Penguins do something, that's where I think they add...around the edges, tougher to play against guys in the bottom 6.”

I think getting a top 4 left defenseman is a must. Then you start looking at guys like Greenway for the bottom six (if Minny can retain)

 

[HandshakeLine]

Again, I'm all for getting that tenacious bottom 6 back, but we're talking about a wholesale change there, maybe barring Poehling (when healthy). I have no idea you do that with the pieces we have and the amount of change we need.