Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[K Fleur]

Remember when we still had Sundqvist? Those days ruled.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I feel like Barbashev will be viewed as the Hyman/Coleman of this Fa crop and those guys got 5.5 and 4.9 respectively. Barbashev is only 27 and the Fa market is pretty shit so I wouldn't be surprised to see him get between 5.5 or a bit more

Yeah, he's going to be viewed as a "every team needs a guy like him" dude and he'll get interest as a center and wing. I see him getting a disgusting contract. But it may have to be us who ponies it up haha.

Zucker could get a high AAV on a short deal but the injury history and age will give some teams pause. I give us a 50% shot to bring him back at 4/$18M or thereabouts

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

If Dubas becomes the Penguins GM, I wonder how many players he'll try to poach from Toronto. I think replacing Zucker with Bunting is a very predictable move, since Bunting is a UFA this year. Toronto also has Kampf and Kerfoot as guys Dubas may want to bring in.

Kerfoot is actually an interesting name to think about, because I always thought of him more as an offensive center but he actually did pretty well in a defensive role last year. He had a 41% offensive zone start% last year but still finished with basically a 53% xGF%, which is pretty good. He seems like a pretty similar guy to 2015 Bonino: a late 20s playmaking lefty center who has shown he can play both the PP and PK and both in offensive and defensive roles.

The catch with Kerfoot is that he might actually be more of a winger than a center at this point. But even then, Kerfoot as a 3rd line LWer seems like a good fit for what Sullivan wants out of his 3rd line.

My issue with Kerfoot is we're already a tiny team up front. I don't think adding yet another guy who is undersized and can't play a heavy playoff-style game isn't the best choice.

Semi-related topic, but Kerfoot is basically what I think Hextall thought Granlund was. A speedy, skilled guy who could be used in the bottom six and on the PK.

 

[Gurglesons]

What do you guys think about this?

1st and Ruh for Markstrom and Hanifin
NJD 3rd and 2024 4th for Arvy
3rd for Geekie
DOC, Poehling, Smith 1 mil x2
Geekie 2 x 2.8
Acciari at 3 x 2.75
Nyquist 1 x 1.2 prove it deal
Buy out granlund.

Hate the goaltending and not really sure I like the D.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Barbashev is useless defensively. They never taught him how to backcheck on the motherland. He can't PK either, and we're short on good ones there.
Something to consider for a 3C position that Sullivan likes giving extreme defensive usage to.

 

[Gurglesons]

The chart does not lie.

 

[Andy99]

Barbashev is useless defensively. They never taught him how to backcheck on the motherland. He can't PK either, and we're short on good ones there.
Something to consider for a 3C position that Sullivan likes giving extreme defensive usage to.

If he’s coming here, it won’t be to play in the bottom six…he’ll play LW on Geno’a line

 

[AuroraBorealis]

If he’s coming here, it won’t be to play in the bottom six…he’ll play LW on Geno’a line

Who's our 3C then? Poehling?

 

[Andy99]

Who's our 3C then? Poehling?

Hopefully we get rid of Granlund and sign Compher….we’re definitely going to need to sign two players for around $5m each to replace Zucker and Granlund

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Hopefully we get rid of Granlund and sign Compher….we’re definitely going to need to sign two players for around $5m each to replace Zucker and Granlund

I dunno. I think you can sign one guy for like 6-7M to replace Zucker and then a half-flattened roadcone to replace Granlund. Bam... I just saved you 3-4M.

 

[Andy99]

I dunno. I think you can sign one guy for like 6-7M to replace Zucker and then a half-flattened roadcone to replace Granlund. Bam... I just saved you 3-4M.

We’re not finding anyone at that price for Geno…it’s either go big, like $8M, or more a middle six tweeter at $5-6

 

[Empoleon8771]

3rd for Geekie

As both a Kraken fan and Penguins fan, I think POJ for Geekie makes a shitload of sense on paper.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

We’re not finding anyone at that price for Geno…it’s either go big, like $8M, or more a middle six tweeter at $5-6

So another stunningly mediocre "top six" wing, then.

Can't be disappointed if it's what I already assumed.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The more I look at Seattle, the more I think there is a realy logical trade here that involves POJ for a forward. Seattle has absolutely absurd forward depth, their forward depth chart going into next year looks something like:

McCann-Beniers-Eberle
Schwartz-Gourde-Burakovsky
Tolvanen-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Tanev-Geekie-Sprong
Kartye-Wright

It's crazy how deep they are at forward. However, their defense is just awful beyond their top pair:

Dunn-Larsson (love this pair)
Oleksiak-Borgen
XXXXX-Schultz

It's just horrible. I think moving one of their spare depth forwards for someone like POJ would interest Seattle greatly, just because they have so much forward depth to begin with. Geekie and Kartye are really the guys who catch my eye.

I doubt they'd move Kartye but I'm also not sure I see a spot for him in this lineup. They may just end up moving on from Sprong (who had 21 goals and 46 points in 66 games last year) and just give Sprong's spot to Kartye.

 

[The Old Master]

The more I look at Seattle, the more I think there is a realy logical trade here that involves POJ for a forward. Seattle has absolutely absurd forward depth, their forward depth chart going into next year looks something like:

McCann-Beniers-Eberle
Schwartz-Gourde-Burakovsky
Tolvanen-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Tanev-Geekie-Sprong
Kartye-Wright

It's crazy how deep they are at forward. However, their defense is just awful beyond their top pair:

Dunn-Larsson (love this pair)
Oleksiak-Borgen
XXXXX-Schultz

It's just horrible. I think moving one of their spare depth forwards for someone like POJ would interest Seattle greatly, just because they have so much forward depth to begin with. Geekie and Kartye are really the guys who catch my eye.

I doubt they'd move Kartye but I'm also not sure I see a spot for him in this lineup. They may just end up moving on from Sprong (who had 21 goals and 46 points in 66 games last year) and just give Sprong's spot to Kartye.

i'm sure sully would love having sprong back.

 

[Jacob]

Can’t be hard to find a little dickweed like Lomberg for cheap. AHL’s gotta be filled with guys like that that’ll chew through a 2x4 to stay up in the NHL.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Trade POJ to Seattle for Geekie, re-sign Geekie for 3 years at $2.5 million
Trade Granlund to whoever for whatever it costs to get rid of him
Offersheet Swayman at 1 year and $4.2 million (2nd rounder compensation), with saying that they'll give him a long-term starter's deal in January
Sign Bunting (5 years at $4.5 million), Kerfoot (3 years at $3 million) and Graves (5 years at $4.5 million) in free agency


Guentzel-Crosby-Rakell
Bunting-Malkin-Rust
Kerfoot-Geekie-XXXXXX
O'Connor-Poehling-Carter
Nylander-XXXXXXX

Graves-Letang
Pettersson-Petry
Smith-Rutta
Ruhwedel

Swayman-DeSmith

You'll have about $4.5 million in cap space to get a 3rd line RWer and an extra forward if you can get out of Granlund's contract. Ideally your 3rd line RWer is a physical RWer with size, maybe Sundqvist could fit that?

 

[Gurglesons]

Trade POJ to Seattle for Geekie, re-sign Geekie for 3 years at $2.5 million
Trade Granlund to whoever for whatever it costs to get rid of him
Offersheet Swayman at 1 year and $4.2 million (2nd rounder compensation), with saying that they'll give him a long-term starter's deal in January
Sign Bunting (5 years at $4.5 million), Kerfoot (3 years at $3 million) and Graves (5 years at $4.5 million) in free agency


Guentzel-Crosby-Rakell
Bunting-Malkin-Rust
Kerfoot-Geekie-XXXXXX
O'Connor-Poehling-Carter
Nylander-XXXXXXX

Graves-Letang
Pettersson-Petry
Smith-Rutta
Ruhwedel

Swayman-DeSmith

You'll have about $4.5 million in cap space to get a 3rd line RWer and an extra forward if you can get out of Granlund's contract. Ideally your 3rd line RWer is a physical RWer with size, maybe Sundqvist could fit that?

So we will be the Leafs but older up front?

 

[Empoleon8771]

So we will be the Leafs but older up front?

The Bunting addition has been based on the assumption that Dubas comes in and brings in Bunting. I just think Kerfoot makes a lot of sense as a guy who could fit into how Sullivan uses his 3rd line.

 

[Pancakes]

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What do you guys think about this?

1st and Ruh for Markstrom and Hanifin
NJD 3rd and 2024 4th for Arvy
3rd for Geekie
DOC, Poehling, Smith 1 mil x2
Geekie 2 x 2.8
Acciari at 3 x 2.75
Nyquist 1 x 1.2 prove it deal
Buy out granlund.

Hate the goaltending and not really sure I like the D.

I'd probably pass on Acciari and just play Nylander, and I would play POJ over Ty Smith as I think POJ is the better player.

Pretty solid lineup otherwise though. Don't mind it.

Not sure those teams would do the deals you proposed though. Calgary probably still fancies themselves a contender so I don't think they'd move guys for futures, and those prices seem light for Arvidsson and Geekie.

 

[Pancakes]

Trade POJ to Seattle for Geekie, re-sign Geekie for 3 years at $2.5 million
Trade Granlund to whoever for whatever it costs to get rid of him
Offersheet Swayman at 1 year and $4.2 million (2nd rounder compensation), with saying that they'll give him a long-term starter's deal in January
Sign Bunting (5 years at $4.5 million), Kerfoot (3 years at $3 million) and Graves (5 years at $4.5 million) in free agency


Guentzel-Crosby-Rakell
Bunting-Malkin-Rust
Kerfoot-Geekie-XXXXXX
O'Connor-Poehling-Carter
Nylander-XXXXXXX

Graves-Letang
Pettersson-Petry
Smith-Rutta
Ruhwedel

Swayman-DeSmith

You'll have about $4.5 million in cap space to get a 3rd line RWer and an extra forward if you can get out of Granlund's contract. Ideally your 3rd line RWer is a physical RWer with size, maybe Sundqvist could fit that?

After watching a lot of Graves in the playoffs, I'm not sold on him as an answer. He was handling the puck like a grenade at times and had some real bad pivots.

He gave me severe Brian Dumoulin vibes to be honest.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Who's our 3C then? Poehling?

I wouldn't mind, honestly. If we got a stud LD and goalie I'm willing to make that tradeoff.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I wouldn't mind, honestly. If we got a stud LD and goalie I'm willing to make that tradeoff.

Yeah, that might be worth it. I'm just not sure we have to sacrifice at a key position at all. If the next GM is willing to dish out futures then they have what they need to address all of the glaring holes, provided they unload Granlund. You just can't go overkill with the AAVs.
25 mil at that point after trading MG...

Goalie 5 mil, Defenseman 4-5 mil, Winger 4-5 mil, 3rd line Center 3-4 mil.
~ 7 mil left for 4 more Forwards. Or you can funnel even more to what's above and sign league minimum filler Forwards, like Puustinen and Archibald.

There's enough. We don't need to use Poehling at 3C.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Yeah, that might be worth it. I'm just not sure we have to sacrifice at a key position at all. If the next GM is willing to dish out futures then they have what they need to address all of the glaring holes, provided they unload Granlund. You just can't go overkill with the AAVs.
25 mil at that point after trading MG...

Goalie 5 mil, Defenseman 4-5 mil, Winger 4-5 mil, 3rd line Center 3-4 mil.
~ 7 mil left for 4 more Forwards. Or you can funnel even more to what's above and sign league minimum filler Forwards, like Puustinen and Archibald.

There's enough. We don't need to use Poehling at 3C.

I just think you could situationally go higher on any of those numbers for
A) A great player
B) To get rid of Granlund in the process

What I continue to have in mind is a terrible goalie contract for a decent goalie in exchange for Granlund. I wonder if Markstrom is that guy.

Or hell, go get Darnell Nurse for Granlund. (ducks)

 

[Turin]

I would love Bunting. He could be a Kunitz-like player, but he just needs to grow up.