Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[Dipsy Doodle]

I don't see why ROR would want to sign to be a 3C on a declining team tbh.

Like sure if they pay him a bunch, he might want to do that. But I still think he'd much rather go be a top-6 center on an actual contender.

Lots of opportunity for advancement here

 

[Gurglesons]

Lots of opportunity for advancement here

I think ROR gets 5 million. Not really something we can afford on a 3C.

 

[Pancakes]

You forgot Poehling who's probably the best of the bunch.

You're right.

Maybe they relegate Nylander to 13th forward (should be Carter but Sully will never do that). Regardless, you have to figure that Granlund/Carter/DOC/Poehling are penciled into the lineup unless the new GM decides to push any of those guys to be scratches.

 

[Gurglesons]

You're right.

Maybe they relegate Nylander to 13th forward (should be Carter but Sully will never do that). Regardless, you have to figure that Granlund/Carter/DOC/Poehling are penciled into the lineup unless the new GM decides to push any of those guys to be scratches.

If Granlund is here to start next season, this team is going to suck ass.

 

[Freeptop]

The one advantage the new GM will have coming in is that despite the anchors of the Carter and Granlund contracts, the Pens have a ton of cap space to work with.

According to CapFriendly, the Pens have 15 players already for next team's roster (which includes Nylander, but not any of our RFAs). They need to fill 8 spots, and have ~19M to do it with. So, an average of ~2.4M per roster spot.

Assuming Granlund, Nylander and Carter are all in the bottom six, the 8 spots remaining include:
1 top six winger
1 starting goaltender
3 bottom six forwards
1 bottom pairing defenseman (which I'm assuming will end up being Smith, anyway)

Only the top two of those positions should require more than 2.5M in cap hit, each.
Plus, 3 of those spots are likely filled by DOC, Poehling and Smith, who should all still come in relatively cheap.

So as long as we can avoid signing any fourth line players to any 2.75-3.5M cap hit contracts (*cough*McGinn/Tanev*cough*), they should have plenty of flexibility.

And that's even without trading a single player off the current roster. (I would be astonished if no players were traded off the roster this summer).

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

If Granlund is here to start next season, this team is going to suck ass.

Yeah.

There are some situations you try to make the best out of. This isn't one of them.

 

[Pancakes]

If Granlund is here to start next season, this team is going to suck ass.

I hope they buy him out, but I dunno if they have the balls

 

[Gurglesons]

I hope they buy him out, but I dunno if they have the balls

Then they aren't committed to winning.

The one advantage the new GM will have coming in is that despite the anchors of the Carter and Granlund contracts, the Pens have a ton of cap space to work with.

According to CapFriendly, the Pens have 15 players already for next team's roster (which includes Nylander, but not any of our RFAs). They need to fill 8 spots, and have ~19M to do it with. So, an average of ~2.4M per roster spot.

Assuming Granlund, Nylander and Carter are all in the bottom six, the 8 spots remaining include:
1 top six winger
1 starting goaltender
3 bottom six forwards
1 bottom pairing defenseman (which I'm assuming will end up being Smith, anyway)

Only the top two of those positions should require more than 2.5M in cap hit, each.
Plus, 3 of those spots are likely filled by DOC, Poehling and Smith, who should all still come in relatively cheap.

So as long as we can avoid signing any fourth line players to any 2.75-3.5M cap hit contracts (*cough*McGinn/Tanev*cough*), they should have plenty of flexibility.

And that's even without trading a single player off the current roster. (I would be astonished if no players were traded off the roster this summer).

In what world do we only need 1 bottom pairing defenseman?

 

[SEALBound]

Then they aren't committed to winning.

In what world do we only need 1 bottom pairing defenseman?

1. BS

2. In a reality where you have the likes of: POJ, Smith, Rutta, Rudwedel, and Freidman. We are healthy through #8. We shouldn't be waisting cap space on a #9. The WBS call up will be fine in that role, whether that be Fedun, Ouellet, Pickering (if he goes to the A), or even Belliveau. You kinda get who you get if you are reaching to #9.

 

[wej20]

What's Tyler Johnson like these days? Could we swap him for Granlund? Or Jason Dickinson?

 

[Gurglesons]

1. BS

2. In a reality where you have the likes of: POJ, Smith, Rutta, Rudwedel, and Freidman. We are healthy through #8. We shouldn't be waisting cap space on a #9. The WBS call up will be fine in that role, whether that be Fedun, Ouellet, Pickering (if he goes to the A), or even Belliveau. You kinda get who you get if you are reaching to #9.

We need a top four LD, arguably top pairing at minimum a #3.

 

[Pancakes]

Then they aren't committed to winning.

No argument here. We know Jeff Carter will be taking a regular shift which in and of itself is proof this team isn't as committed as it could be to winning.

 

[SEALBound]

The one advantage the new GM will have coming in is that despite the anchors of the Carter and Granlund contracts, the Pens have a ton of cap space to work with.

According to CapFriendly, the Pens have 15 players already for next team's roster (which includes Nylander, but not any of our RFAs). They need to fill 8 spots, and have ~19M to do it with. So, an average of ~2.4M per roster spot.

Assuming Granlund, Nylander and Carter are all in the bottom six, the 8 spots remaining include:
1 top six winger
1 starting goaltender
3 bottom six forwards
1 bottom pairing defenseman (which I'm assuming will end up being Smith, anyway)

Only the top two of those positions should require more than 2.5M in cap hit, each.
Plus, 3 of those spots are likely filled by DOC, Poehling and Smith, who should all still come in relatively cheap.

So as long as we can avoid signing any fourth line players to any 2.75-3.5M cap hit contracts (*cough*McGinn/Tanev*cough*), they should have plenty of flexibility.

And that's even without trading a single player off the current roster. (I would be astonished if no players were traded off the roster this summer).

Pretty spot on. I think it may depend too on how they view Granlund. You could reshape the 3rd line with him on it, you just need a good 3C or two speedy wings that are triggermen. Honestly, someone like Sprong. Then if you could find a guy like a 2016/17 Rust for the LW, you might be okay. Or a guy like 2016 Bonino for center. Someone who can forecheck and the duel role of shooter/passer. You just can't stick Granlund with like-minded players otherwise your shot differentials will plummet.

We need a top four LD, arguably top pairing at minimum a #3.

We do but it's low on the priority list.

I'd much rather "miss out" on a #3 or 2nd pairing dman but get the starting goalie and bottom 6 players we need. Petts-Letang, POJ-Petry, Smith-Rutta is fine if you are able to bring in a legit starter, a new 3rd line, and ideally a new coach that can help put a defensive structure in place. Because, let's be honest, it doesn't really matter who we bring in if Sullivan is still behind the bench.

 

[Gurglesons]

Pretty spot on. I think it may depend too on how they view Granlund. You could reshape the 3rd line with him on it, you just need a good 3C or two speedy wings that are triggermen. Honestly, someone like Sprong. Then if you could find a guy like a 2016/17 Rust for the LW, you might be okay. Or a guy like 2016 Bonino for center. Someone who can forecheck and the duel role of shooter/passer. You just can't stick Granlund with like-minded players otherwise your shot differentials will plummet.


We do but it's low on the priority list.

I'd much rather "miss out" on a #3 or 2nd pairing dman but get the starting goalie and bottom 6 players we need. Petts-Letang, POJ-Petry, Smith-Rutta is fine if you are able to bring in a legit starter, a new 3rd line, and ideally a new coach that can help put a defensive structure in place. Because, let's be honest, it doesn't really matter who we bring in if Sullivan is still behind the bench.

I gotta disagree. Top four LD is honestly my biggest need after goaltending for this roster.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I think ROR gets 5 million. Not really something we can afford on a 3C.

I'd pay ROR 5 mil - and more - in a heartbeat.

ROR isn't just a 3C...he can be a 2C, or a 2LW, flirt with a p/g in the playoffs, provide elite faceoffs, add a ton of give-a-shit and instantly make any line he's on much better defensively. He's the next best thing to Bergeron when it comes to a star defensive center who can provide top 6 offense.

Of course, we need to get rid of some garbage contracts. Hence the futures comment. People will wax about spending futures in a direct trade for a mediocre 3C but scoff at using them as sweetener to offload a bad deal then just signing someone who's actually good.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I'd pay ROR 5 mil - and more - in a heartbeat.

ROR isn't just a 3C...he can be a 2C, or a 2LW, flirt with a p/g in the playoffs, provide elite faceoffs, add a ton of give-a-shit and instantly make any line he's on much better defensively. He's the next best thing to Bergeron when it comes to a star defensive center who can provide top 6 offense.

Of course, we need to get rid of some garbage contracts. Hence the futures comment. People will wax about spending futures in a direct trade for a mediocre 3C but scoff at using them as sweetener to offload a bad deal then just signing someone who's actually good.

If we could get Barbashev for Geno's LW and O'Rielly for 3C i'll be ecstatic

 

[Ugene Magic]

Granlund is worth a look before you ever spit out the name, Tyler Johnson. He's often injured which this team needs no part of. 5'8" doesn't particularly appeal to me either.

What's Tyler Johnson like these days? Could we swap him for Granlund? Or Jason Dickinson?

 

[Jacob]

I’d just keep Granlund if you can’t trade him, which shouldn’t be hard to do if you don’t mind taking a loss on that 2nd we gave up. Right now he’s our 6th best forward.

He’s a top 6 player on many, if not a majority, of teams and paid what you’d expect. Hynes would probably love him back if that’s even allowed.

Personally I’m in favor of just running 3 O-minded lines and bumping Granlund up when Sid or Geno are out, which, even in a healthy season, might be 15-20 games missed for both.

Give that 1st unit a little less than the 95 seconds they typically get too, Granlund will get his points on the 2nd unit with 45-55 seconds.

 

[Mrs Crosby's Dryer]

With all of that cap space, you've got to wonder how much of it idiot Sullivan is going to spend on signing Rodrigues.

Also, what kind of $ is he going to throw at Simon to try and coax him back from the Czech league?

It‘s scary because it’s true.

 

[Empoleon8771]

With all of that cap space, you've got to wonder how much of it idiot Sullivan is going to spend on signing Rodrigues.

Also, what kind of $ is he going to throw at Simon to try and coax him back from the Czech league?

It‘s scary because it’s true.

I hope the Penguins sign both of those guys just to spite you.

 

[Jacob]

I don’t think you win by taking 2 million of your cap for Granlund to play elsewhere until 26-27.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I think ROR gets 5 million. Not really something we can afford on a 3C.

Yeah, that's 3RW money!

 

[wej20]

Granlund is worth a look before you ever spit out the name, Tyler Johnson. He's often injured which this team needs no part of. 5'8" doesn't particularly appeal to me either.

1 less year on his deal and he actually plays centre unlike Granlund.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

If anyone's balking at paying ROR 5 mil - I really don't understand. With the consistency of his track record at both ends of the ice in the regular season and playoffs, what more are you hoping to get with 5 mil?

If Granlund performed anything like ROR after we acquired him, nobody would want to move him.

 

[Ulf5]

I’d just keep Granlund if you can’t trade him, which shouldn’t be hard to do if you don’t mind taking a loss on that 2nd we gave up. Right now he’s our 6th best forward.

He’s a top 6 player on many, if not a majority, of teams and paid what you’d expect. Hynes would probably love him back if that’s even allowed.

Personally I’m in favor of just running 3 O-minded lines and bumping Granlund up when Sid or Geno are out, which, even in a healthy season, might be 15-20 games missed for both.

Give that 1st unit a little less than the 95 seconds they typically get too, Granlund will get his points on the 2nd unit with 45-55 seconds.

Hell, he'd probably make a nice set up man for Evgeni and Rust. If only Sully would put him in a position to succeed.
Then you'd just need a couple 3rd liners that could slide up adequately when called upon.
Jake- Sid- RickyRack
Granlund- Zhenia- Rust