Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[eXile3]

Without Granlund being force fed 3 minutes of PP time in Nashville the dude doesn’t clear 40 points.

 

[pistolpete11]

Ryan O'Reilly isn't going to sign for $5M lol. Certainly not with a team that he has no previous connection to.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Ryan O'Reilly isn't going to sign for $5M lol. Certainly not with a team that he has no previous connection to.

That's fair. Prob more in the 6.5-7 mil range.

And he'll be worth it.

 

[Jacob]

O'Reilly definitely has shown a history of squeezing the maximum amount of money out of every deal he's signed, including a lengthy hold-out. Don't see him signing here unless we overpay.

 

[Pens1566]

I’d just keep Granlund if you can’t trade him, which shouldn’t be hard to do if you don’t mind taking a loss on that 2nd we gave up. Right now he’s our 6th best forward.

He’s a top 6 player on many, if not a majority, of teams and paid what you’d expect. Hynes would probably love him back if that’s even allowed.

Personally I’m in favor of just running 3 O-minded lines and bumping Granlund up when Sid or Geno are out, which, even in a healthy season, might be 15-20 games missed for both.

Give that 1st unit a little less than the 95 seconds they typically get too, Granlund will get his points on the 2nd unit with 45-55 seconds.

I can see this if they don't bring back Zucker, or find a replacement for him in FA. They just slide Granlund into the top 6 line blender.

 

[SomeDude]

I can see this if they don't bring back Zucker, or find a replacement for him in FA. They just slide Granlund into the top 6 line blender.

Honest question, has Sully ever moved a player to a different role from where he originally put them? I feel like since he shoved him into a bottom 6 role, he's going to stay there for bad or for worse because that's where Mike Sullivan says he goes.

 

[Pens x]

Signing a 32 Ryan O’Reilly to a five year deal seems such a Penguins things to do. Luckily, he won’t come here.

 

[Pens1566]

Honest question, has Sully ever moved a player to a different role from where he originally put them? I feel like since he shoved him into a bottom 6 role, he's going to stay there for bad or for worse because that's where Mike Sullivan says he goes.

That's an interesting point. I was silly for using logic/reasoning I guess.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I gotta disagree. Top four LD is honestly my biggest need after goaltending for this roster.

I think Seal and I view this much differently than you.

RD:
Letang
Rutta
Petry
LD:
POJ
Petts
Smith

I'd welcome Ruh and Friedman back as the spares. Or bring in a vet LD for $1M. That defense is what it'll be unless you are severely altering some roles.

The defense got the makeover last offseason. It's time to put the money to bottom 6 and goalies now. And to me, the defense is more about the structure vs the players themselves. The forwards have to help out and they don't

 

[BusinessGoose]

Signing a 32 Ryan O’Reilly to a five year deal seems such a Penguins things to do. Luckily, he won’t come here.

At least it would FINALLY be on a player who can actually do something, though

 

[pistolpete11]

That's fair. Prob more in the 6.5-7 mil range.

And he'll be worth it.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him go over $7M, depending on the term. Unless Bergeron would consider leaving Boston (which I doubt), he's easily the best C available this year and one of the best UFA period.

Top C's last year were Kadri ($7Mx7) and Giroux ($6.5Mx3). Kadri had an incredible contract year which probably inflated his number a bit, but other than that, I think ROR is a fair bit better than both (and a few years younger than Giroux).

I think Seal and I view this much differently than you.

RD:
Letang
Rutta
Petry
LD:
POJ
Petts
Smith

I'd welcome Ruh and Friedman back as the spares. Or bring in a vet LD for $1M. That defense is what it'll be unless you are severely altering some roles.

The defense got the makeover last offseason. It's time to put the money to bottom 6 and goalies now. And to me, the defense is more about the structure vs the players themselves. The forwards have to help out and they don't

I agree, but if they go the trade route to fill some of the other holes, I think POJ or Smith are probably involved.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

If we trade a LD we need a top 4 LD added.

Really want to strengthen the 3C since we use that line as full shutdown.

Barbashev is my #1 choice. We can sell him on top 6 production I think and giving him a lot of money.

RoR is a two way guy but I don't see him coming here.

I would like another top 6 player but maybe if Granlund could play beside Malkin + 1 it would be cool to see.

I liked Zucker but that's a buy high contract. Since he came here extremely injury proned.

 

[BusinessGoose]

If we trade a LD we need a top 4 LD added.

Really want to strengthen the 3C since we use that line as full shutdown.

Barbashev is my #1 choice. We can sell him on top 6 production I think and giving him a lot of money.

RoR is a two way guy but I don't see him coming here.

I would like another top 6 player but maybe if Granlund could play beside Malkin + 1 it would be cool to see.

I liked Zucker but that's a buy high contract. Since he came here extremely injury proned.

Pretty much

I would prefer ROR, but no way he signs here at any price

Put that money into barbashev... Hell, let zucker walk. Barbie can bring the sorta "pens level of grit" that zook sometimes brings.

Not sure he can REALLY put up the same numbers, but he can bring an element team needs. Energy.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Why waste energy on grit when the coach actively hates those kinds of players?

 

[BusinessGoose]

Why waste energy on grit when the coach actively hates those kinds of players?

.... Don't harsh my vibe, bro

It's the time of year we can all be pie in the sky lol lol

Barbashev is a far cry from Reaves, still

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Granlund/Malkin/Rust is seriously a thing people would be content with heading into next year.

Geez man. Really counting on that "bounceback year" from Rust, I guess. A BIG one, at that.

 

[Andy99]

Granlund/Malkin/Rust is seriously a thing people would be content with heading into next year.

Geez man. Really counting on that "bounceback year" from Rust, I guess. A BIG one, at that.

Since it looks like Meier is likely going to market, wouldn’t it be nice to see…
Meier-Geno-Rust?

 

[eXile3]

If we’re going to rely on aging UFAs to get back in the playoffs we’ll be in trouble. It needs to be done through trades and taking advantage of teams that don’t have the same cap space.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Since it looks like Meier is likely going to market, wouldn’t it be nice to see…
Meier-Geno-Rust?

Yeah, sure.

I'd love to work with Brian Eno, too. Tell me which one you think happens first.

 

[SEALBound]

I think Seal and I view this much differently than you.

RD:
Letang
Rutta
Petry
LD:
POJ
Petts
Smith

I'd welcome Ruh and Friedman back as the spares. Or bring in a vet LD for $1M. That defense is what it'll be unless you are severely altering some roles.

The defense got the makeover last offseason. It's time to put the money to bottom 6 and goalies now. And to me, the defense is more about the structure vs the players themselves. The forwards have to help out and they don't

Yeah, it's not that I don't view the left side as weaker, it's just that I view 1G and the bottom 6 as a MUCH larger issue. If you get a 1G and 3 bottom 6 players and you can still fit in a top 4 LD and you have the assets to do so...great, do it. But again, any reasonable person that watch more than 5 minutes of last season can clearly see the bottom 6 needs a major overhaul and that a starter is a significant need. I'm not quite sure what to tell people if they think different. Some people think blue is red. It's not but...carry on.

In the spirit of additional discussion though, it seems like Calgary fans want to trade Hanifin. At just shy of $5mil, I wouldn't be the worst candidate if you wanted to bring in a LD to put with Letang. Calgary wants to shed cap. Wonder if you could make them an offer of like POJ, Poulin, and a draft pick?

The Dumo+POJ money covers Hanifin.

Hanifin-Letang
Pettersson-Petry
Smith-Rutta

Hard to complain about that really.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Yeah, it's not that I don't view the left side as weaker, it's just that I view 1G and the bottom 6 as a MUCH larger issue. If you get a 1G and 3 bottom 6 players and you can still fit in a top 4 LD and you have the assets to do so...great, do it. But again, any reasonable person that watch more than 5 minutes of last season can clearly see the bottom 6 needs a major overhaul and that a starter is a significant need. I'm not quite sure what to tell people if they think different. Some people think blue is red. It's not but...carry on.

In the spirit of additional discussion though, it seems like Calgary fans want to trade Hanifin. At just shy of $5mil, I wouldn't be the worst candidate if you wanted to bring in a LD to put with Letang. Calgary wants to shed cap. Wonder if you could make them an offer of like POJ, Poulin, and a draft pick?

The Dumo+POJ money covers Hanifin.

Hanifin-Letang
Pettersson-Petry
Smith-Rutta

Hard to complain about that really.

I'm not keen on sending out POJ at this point, but understand you sometimes need to take risks. I think POJ turns into a nice #3D in this league

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I wouldn't be surprised to see him go over $7M, depending on the term. Unless Bergeron would consider leaving Boston (which I doubt), he's easily the best C available this year and one of the best UFA period.

Top C's last year were Kadri ($7Mx7) and Giroux ($6.5Mx3). Kadri had an incredible contract year which probably inflated his number a bit, but other than that, I think ROR is a fair bit better than both (and a few years younger than Giroux).

Very possible. I'm just saying that at the price tag I listed, we should have no issues about adding him.

 

[Freeptop]

In what world do we only need 1 bottom pairing defenseman?

I should clarify that I was analyzing cap space solely in terms of open spaces on the roster, not "needs". They have enough defensemen on NHL contracts to fill up the spaces. This was just to illustrate what kind of space they have available.

For cases where they would be best served to improve a position (such as top 4 defenseman), they'd need to trade a player out just to make space, anyway, so that would mean cap hit going out. Which would make it even easier to fit a bigger cap hit.

 

[Andy99]

Skaters we sign or trade for need to be 27/28 or younger, both forward and defense…no ROR, Zucker etc

 

[Gurglesons]

Very possible. I'm just saying that at the price tag I listed, we should have no issues about adding him.

I'd have an issue adding him. He stunk this year in the regular season and had an okay playoff and is over 30. Why are we adding more old talent up front?