Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition
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Dipsy Doodle
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Two of those guys are playing key roles in the Cup Finals.
You need lotto talent to win in this league. It doesn't guarantee winning, but it is essential to it. If you don't draft lotto talent, you need to be lucky enough to have it available to you via trade a la Vegas.
Darren McCord
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Ok sure but tanking for it guarantees nothing. Top picks end up on new teams all the time
I mean I'd say sure but not with Sullivan at the helm. That's just shitting away picks and letting an ignorant tit be in charge of developing a player, of which he has zero success of.
Guentzel has more to do with Crosby and Cullen than he ever does with Sullivan.
AuroraBorealis
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No guarantees through a rebuild, but the Pens are guaranteed to never win another Cup if they don't.
Makes things pretty simple.
But we're the real Louis Mendoza from Mighty Ducks 2, trillion dollar legs, hands for f*** all.
Darren McCord
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no one is arguing against a rebuild. But intentional tanking and thinking you will bounce back in 5 years is dumb too.
3ladesof5teel
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We would be extremely fortunate to turn things around 5 years after Crosby retires...... extremely.
8-10 is more realistic and it's just a crapshoot.
We should embrace what we have and feel extremely lucky one of the best players to ever play the game is still playing at a extremely high level and his "sidekick" as well.
A few good calculated moves and some puck luck and we are right there. Just like any contending team.
There's not many at all that predicted a Florida/Vegas final.
AuroraBorealis
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Bounceback to what, a Cup or top tier contender? No, of course not. That 5 year number is totally unrealistic in our situation, since our asset pool is so weak. It's not like what the Rangers had when they did their re-tool. Every team's situation is different.
You will have a much a stronger foundation for the future after those 5 years if you go down that path though. Your farm system will be much deeper. There will be hope moving forward. Whereas if you have the Pens continue to Minnesota it, you're just as screwed in 2028 as you are now. Your process of restoration wouldn't have even begun at that point.
Our front office is not gonna be utterly incompetent under Dubas. He understands drafting and development. Our ownership group is better than many.
There's good reason to believe a rebuild would be done well here it it gets greenlit.
Vegas is what, the first to (likely) win the cup without being a lottery pick team? Their highest pick was their expansion pick at 6th, not even top 5 and the wanker isn't even with them anymore.
I'm ok with this team selling off some parts to acquire more picks and start finding more youth and adding to the pick and prospect pool.
After Sullivan leaves, because there's no way I'd want that asshat near young talent or in a development role and he's been hammering in nails to keep the window shut for 6yrs now.
I think what will get Dubas' attention is if he tells a GM to get someone he really wants for this team and then sees how Sullivan utilizes him and has an "ah ha!" Moment. I kind of hope he puts one of his guys as an assistant or "skills coach" to assess and also do his skills coach bit.
Darren McCord
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Im fine with the team starting to sell of parts but people are way to eager for this chicago burn it to the ground approach.
Turin
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Pens need to take the exact opposite approach for two years. 14th overall, Pickering, next years 1st.. if they can be traded for very good players under 30 they need to be gone.
Dipsy Doodle
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I prefer the term "strategic rebuild".
I don't know of many Eichel calibre or better lotto picks that have moved on from their teams though.
I would rather not see this team go that method, but they clearly don't give a shit so it's whatever.
Eichel calibre? Just him and Tavares for Cs recently. Thornton and Seguin if you go back long enough. Happens more often with Ds - Karlsson, Weber, Subban, Chara, Piet all recent enough,
If you expand it to O'Reilly level Cs (who did of course win a SC as a 1C), or elite wingers like Kessel, Tkachuk, Hossa it gets a bit easier.
SomeDude
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Here's the thing about Chicago.
It all burnt to the ground despite them trying hard to stop it well before they eventually gave in and salted the ground to boot. I mean, hell, they effectively gave up picks 6, 8, and 12 to get Seth Jones despite not even finishing over .500 the year before.
Salting the ground worked a lot better than throwing resources at saving things.
When time takes its due and this team is truly on fire, I hope they learn from Chicago. I think so many NHL rebuilds go on for so long because teams keep hoping they can short cut it.
But equally, everyone saying no point to rush it is right.
True. This is all in time. Shame there's not a whole lot to go all in with, but if we're not going to sell, it's time to buy.
This is why I'm hesitant to chase Hellebuyck.
Not only will he cost hefty assets, but he'll eat a large portion of the cap.
Hill had what, 100 games over 6 seasons before this season with very pedestrian stats? I'd rather spend less on goalie and improve the the team as a whole. Obviously why Vegas won. Besides all their advantages.
Go after someone like Hart. He's still under $4 mil, a rfa next season and at 24 can bring back assets when the tear down starts.
SomeDude
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I can't see the Flyers willing to deal Hart to the Pens, or anyone within the division, unless they pay more than any other team would.
Just build the best team and put a couple capable goalies behind them. Stock up on an extra 1 or 2 at the deadline if we're a playoff team. Doesn't have to be a big name, just someone who won't crap the bed.
I can see that happening but I'm not sure I'd like it. He's 27 and been nothing more than a career backup before this hot stretch that led to a Cup win. Signing him to a lot of money and term would be overreacting to this recent small sample size and not what he's been in totality throughout his career. That seems like a bad decision.
The Pens also can't afford to screw up this goalie decision. They need a legit upgrade. I'm sure the cost to get one is going to sting but there's just not enough time left in Sid and Geno's careers to screw this one up.
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DesertedPenguin
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Buyout window opens in 48 hours.
Might be first indication of Dubas' plans.
Might be first indication of Dubas' plans.
KrisLetAngry
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I would take a look at that Kessel guy, it seems he has won 3 Stanley Cup, might be good.
I'm very eager to buyout Granlund, but I'm not in such a hurry, let's wait until after the draft to see if we can throw him away in any trade even with retention.
CapFriendly says that the buyout window concludes on June 30 at 5pm ET.
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