Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[Malkinstheman]

I don't think we have to look any further than the Mrazek trade to guess what Dubas might do. Mrazek had 3.8x2 left and dumping him cost dropping from 25th to 38th.

I'd argue that Granlund would actually be useful to Chicago and might cost a bit less to dump. 14th + 2023 5th + Granlund for 19th overall? ChI has a really high 2nd but can't see Dubas wanting to drop out of the first in this draft.

 

[TimmyD]

The Athletic has a mock draft up. They have the Pens making 2 trades on draft night. First is Granlund+14th to Detroit for 31st. Then they have the Pens trading 31st for Alexander Barabanov

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Eichel calibre? Just him and Tavares for Cs recently. Thornton and Seguin if you go back long enough. Happens more often with Ds - Karlsson, Weber, Subban, Chara, Piet all recent enough,

If you expand it to O'Reilly level Cs (who did of course win a SC as a 1C), or elite wingers like Kessel, Tkachuk, Hossa it gets a bit easier.

Yeah, but I wouldn't expand it to those guys, or the defensemen mentioned above either.

They are great players, but it highlights how crucial high end lotto picks are to the equation. More often than not it's superstar level offensive talent added for zero assets and often with strong - read: long-term - bonds to the team that drafted them, and you have them through their prime years. That's provides a lot of chances to win.

If you're adding those players later, usually either the bloom is off the rose or you're paying exorbitant amounts in UFA like Tavares.

 

[Lust for Life]

The Athletic has a mock draft up. They have the Pens making 2 trades on draft night. First is Granlund+14th to Detroit for 31st. Then they have the Pens trading 31st for Alexander Barabanov

So basically Granlund+14 for Barabanov. Don't think I like it. UFA next year to boot.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

Granlund is not a cap dump.
At worst, you move him for Future Considerations.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Granlund is not a cap dump.
At worst, you move him for Future Considerations.

I dont think he is as invaluable as some are making him out to be, he's just invaluable to this team as its constructed. If we are losing Zucker (likely) his replacement will be Granlund which is a step back in the mold of a player we need.

He cant be paid 5 million on the 3rd line, its a waste and I dont think anyone wants him glued to either Sid's or Geno's hip on their final years.

It was a terrible desperation move by Hextall because he got nothing he wanted at the TDL which he really bent us over on the way out

The only reason we may have to give up some coin to get rid of him is because other teams know this and have some leverage. Otherwise he would probably do just fine in someone elses top 6

 

[OtherThingsILike]

I dont think he is as invaluable as some are making him out to be, he's just invaluable to this team as its constructed. If we are losing Zucker (likely) his replacement will be Granlund which is a step back in the mold of a player we need.

He cant be paid 5 million on the 3rd line, its a waste and I dont think anyone wants him glued to either Sid's or Geno's hip on their final years.

It was a terrible desperation move by Hextall because he got nothing he wanted at the TDL which he really bent us over on the way out

The only reason we may have to give up some coin to get rid of him is because other teams know this and have some leverage. Otherwise he would probably do just fine in someone elses top 6

I agree he isn't as useful as he could be here, because he is too similar to the players we already have. This is why it might make sense to trade him for nothing.
However, we could utilize the option of getting Bottom Six forwards who are different than the players we already have. This isn't as good as a Top Six forward, but makes more sense than spending assets to dump a player and then spending more assets to acquire one.

 

[gdsmack267]

The 1st round pick should be no where near Granlunds name. If that is the going rate to move him than id rather buy him out.

I'm completely fine with them moving the 14th pick for an NHL player but not in any scenario where Granlunds contract devalues the pick

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

The Athletic has a mock draft up. They have the Pens making 2 trades on draft night. First is Granlund+14th to Detroit for 31st. Then they have the Pens trading 31st for Alexander Barabanov

Hopefully they're wrong. Not a fan, the more I read up on this draft the more I like our chances at a solid kid down the road at 14

The 1st round pick should be no where near Granlunds name. If that is the going rate to move him than id rather buy him out.

I'm completely fine with them moving the 14th pick for an NHL player but not in any scenario where Granlunds contract devalues the pick

Seriously, not even a buyout to be honest, I ain't a fan of his and I'd play him next year and hope he rebounds.

 

[Sideline]

The 1st round pick should be no where near Granlunds name. If that is the going rate to move him than id rather buy him out.

I'm completely fine with them moving the 14th pick for an NHL player but not in any scenario where Granlunds contract devalues the pick

Completely agree. If he's just a salary dump throw in that doesn't downgrade the return then sure, but he's overpaid, not a sub replacement level player that needs a buyout.

 

[mephisto1812]

I'm very eager to buyout Granlund, but I'm not in such a hurry, let's wait until after the draft to see if we can throw him away in any trade even with retention.
CapFriendly says that the buyout window concludes on June 30 at 5pm ET.

Agree, exhaust all options that don't bend you over. And if you are left with only the buyout option? So be it, pull the trigger and don't look back.

 

[JTG]

I'd never normally say this, but I'd buy Granlund out. It strings his cap hit out a bit, but who cares? We are going to be on our way down so it won't matter.

 

[Pens1566]

Granlund is absolutely not a "negative value" situation.

 

[Sideline]

I'd never normally say this, but I'd buy Granlund out. It strings his cap hit out a bit, but who cares? We are going to be on our way down so it won't matter.

I don't see the point in a buyout this offseason. The possible UFA replacements this year for him are not great. I'd rather not buy him out just to sign a worse contract a week from now.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I'm not going 14th to 31st in this draft just to remove Granlund.

No way.

 

[Deport Ogie]

I'm absolutely a person who is of the mind that picks are way overrated by most but 14 to 31 just to dump Granlund is meeeeeeeh. 14 to 19 as some have bandied? Okay maybe. But anything past that is a bridge that's probably a bit too far.

 

[Darren McCord]

I'm not going 14th to 31st in this draft just to remove Granlund.

No way.

Teams would pay 2mill in cap to move up from 31rst to 14th. Thats his buyout. So no way should the pens do that. Just buy him out or retain 2 million and trade him at 3mill with some value

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Even with all his struggles last season he was a 40 point player. If you look at the RW UFAs, he would be 4th behind Killorn, Kane and Tarasenko in terms of production and ahead of Phil Kessel, Dadanov, Engvall, Fast, Sundqvist, who are all like 30 point players.

Is he paid a little too much for what he does, maybe, but 40-50 point players usually get 4.5-6mil. And the other team in the deal gets a player signed for 2 years and with no trade protection whatsoever. How many 40-50 point players sign without any trade protection and sign for two years?

Buyout window opens this Friday, June 16th.

I am firmly in the "do not buyout" because I don't believe in them. Trade him with a pick and/or a middling prospect. Take back a player making less that fits a 3rd-4th line role better. I've been saying for months that a good landing spot for him would be Chicago, especially with them getting Bedard. Can't surround the kid with a bunch of crap and hope he does ok. Granlund could come in, help them with the 1st powerplay unit and play top 6 minutes while pumping up his stock. Then they trade him this trade deadline or next and pick up another pick.

I just refuse to follow the narrative that Granlund has zero value.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

I'm not going 14th to 31st in this draft just to remove Granlund.

No way.

seriously, there is lots of solid players that will be available at 14 from what we are seeing in mock drafts by some of the experts. Yes he won't play right away, but it's something we have no choice but to start thinking long term as well. Helle is not turning this team from 9th to SC favorites

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Buyout penalties suck. There's a reason teams don't just immediately buyout guys who are awful fits or have problematic contracts. They're a last resort for a reason. I don't think Granlund is Jack Johnson-tier of "yeah well, this guy's so bad, a buyout is preferrable to keeping around or spending valuable assets to move". I do think the team's gonna have to pay to get someone to take Granlund, but I don't think it'll be a huge ask. If it is, then yeah, buy him out.

There's just nowhere he fits. He's not a good fit with Sid or Geno. The entire 3rd line needs remade and Granlund isn't a guy worth keeping around in that regard. He's not a 4th liner. He's probably a serviceable player on a bad team that can feed him big PP minutes and put him in a position to succeed but he's not good enough for that kind of catering with this team. /shrug

I wouldn't spend huge to move him, and I wouldn't part with the 14th OA to move him, but if you can like package Granlund and POJ or something to a team near the cap floor, go for it. Don't know if that gets it done, so again, you may have to resort to a buyout. Last option though, after all avenues have been exhausted.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

seriously, there is lots of solid players that will be available at 14 from what we are seeing in mock drafts by some of the experts. Yes he won't play right away, but it's something we have no choice but to start thinking long term as well. Helle is not turning this team from 9th to SC favorites

Well I can see a 14th to 19th.

Or trading the 14th for a player more ready that can help us.

I am not quite there looking at the future as some of us are. However I do think we need to start thinking about our asset management and what we are trading and what we are getting.

I think Dubas and now Spezza will do a good job.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Teams would pay 2mill in cap to move up from 31rst to 14th. Thats his buyout. So no way should the pens do that. Just buy him out or retain 2 million and trade him at 3mill with some value

Even buying him out makes no sense this off season, there isn't much anyway on the UFA market. At this point, have him play and hope he does well and teams come calling for him

Well I can see a 14th to 19th.

Or trading the 14th for a player more ready that can help us.

I am not quite there looking at the future as some of us are. However I do think we need to start thinking about our asset management and what we are trading and what we are getting.

I think Dubas and now Spezza will do a good job.

I really hope so as well, I hope we find a blend of enjoying the last few seasons of Sid, Geno and Letang while being competitive but also thinking long-term. Can't wait for the draft and Free agency just to see what they have as a plan. Regardless I think it's night and day with the dummy we had

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

The Athletic has a mock draft up. They have the Pens making 2 trades on draft night. First is Granlund+14th to Detroit for 31st. Then they have the Pens trading 31st for Alexander Barabanov

That's f***ing terrible. Gran doesn't have negative value like Marazek last summer. He can get moved for a late pick.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

As for Chicago, I'm not sure they're really gonna play the role of Arizona in taking on bad contracts just to collect picks/prospects. They've got Bedard now, and I imagine they're gonna want to start building around him immediately. That probably reduces the chances you can pawn somebody like Granlund off on them.

 

[SomeDude]

Is it safe to assume noted morons Rob Rossi’s and/or Josh Yohe were the ones predicting the Pens draft?

Why don’t we just throw Granlund into the Yandle deal with Arizona to get it finished since Rossi said it was a done deal.