Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[Gurglesons]

No chance in hell do I trade a 1st for Laughton. I'm sick of trading our 1sts for middle six forwards. If they're trading the 1st, it better be some sort of impact guy coming back. Otherwise, just either look to free agency or look for bargain options around the league who provide a similar skillset.

I saw a Flyers blog offered 22nd and Laughton for 14th overall.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Monday morning fantasy stuff:

Gryz+Hall+Ullmark for POJ, Poulin, 2nd, CDS
Garland+1st 2023 for 1st 2023
3rd CHI for Granlund
Sign DOC, Poehling, Smith Connor Brown, and a BUG - I used Korpisolo at $2mil

Jake-Sid-Rakell
Hall-Malkin-Garland
Brown-Poehling-Rust
DOC-Carter-Nylander
Puustinen

Grzelcyk-Letang
Pettersson-Petry
Smith-Rutta
Rudwedel

Ullmark-Korpisolo

$800k in space left. Slightly weak at 3C. Thought out doing something like Rutta for a 3C and signing a depth #6/7.

Some good thoughts in here, but Hall to me is like Kapanen on steroids. Tunnel vision puck hog type of player. I’d worry about chemistry with Sid and Geno with Hall, there’s a good chance he would fit with neither.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I saw a Flyers blog offered 22nd and Laughton for 14th overall.

I still wouldn't do it because the difference between the 14th and the 22nd (on average) is the 14th you can usually still land a potential impact player with top 10 talent who may have slipped a bit for various reasons, while at 22 you're left with projects who are either "safe with little upside" or "upside but a lot of red flags".

 

[Gurglesons]

I still wouldn't do it because the difference between the 14th and the 22nd (on average) is the 14th you can usually still land a potential impact player with top 10 talent who may have slipped a bit for various reasons, while at 22 you're left with projects who are either "safe with little upside" or "upside but a lot of red flags".

I don’t care about getting a “potential impact player”. Nobody in that realm is going to be ready anytime soon.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Some good thoughts in here, but Hall to me is like Kapanen on steroids. Tunnel vision puck hog type of player. I’d worry about chemistry with Sid and Geno with Hall, there’s a good chance he would fit with neither.

It's possible he may not fit and I'm not saying he can be Phil Kessel on a strong 3rd line. Though HBK was Kessel getting good players and Crosby and Malkin taking less.

I do like the thought of Hall being able to enter the zone and take some puck duties from Crosby or Malkin to the lighten the role.
If that doesn't work slapping him on the third line would work well.

 

[Turin]

I’d trade the pick for guys like Hellebuyck or maybe Hanifin, but not Laughton and a pick.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I would do #14 for #22 and Laughton but I'd kinda prefer to do #14 and Granlund for #22 instead.

 

[TimmyD]

I would be ok with 14 for 22 and Laughton, and then I’d flip 22

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I would do #14 for #22 and Laughton but I'd kinda prefer to do #14 and Granlund for #22 instead.

So 14 Granlund for 22 and Laughton?

 

[Lust for Life]

I doubt we deal with the Flyers, but stranger things have happened.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I’d trade the pick for guys like Hellebuyck or maybe Hanifin, but not Laughton and a pick.

Yea I'd like Hanifin. 5 million this last year but after needs a new deal and with the prices he could command 7+ million. So going after him does worry me.

I'd rather just pay a UFA instead of using an asset. That's me though.

 

[Empoleon8771]

So 14 Granlund for 22 and Laughton?

I had that thought at first but I realized you'd have to add a lot to that for Philly to take it.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I had that thought at first but I realized you'd have to add a lot to that for Philly to take it.

Yea perhaps but maybe Dubas can work his magic and if they don't care about cap can't the buyout him asap?

 

[Peat]

I don’t care about getting a “potential impact player”. Nobody in that realm is going to be ready anytime soon.

They might. McAvoy and Farabee were both meaningful NHLers in D+2.

A prospect picked at 14oa should hold considerably more trade value too.

I don't hate 14 for Laughton+22 but remain firmly of the belief the Pens need to spend their best assets on game changers, or stockpile them in the hope of winning the lottery/buying one later if it can't be done. Guys like Laughton do not move us close enough to contending to be worth it.

Yea perhaps but maybe Dubas can work his magic and if they don't care about cap can't the buyout him asap?

The Marleau buyout cost a 1st and that was only for one year of buyout. A team that only wants Granlund for buyout will change a lot.

 

[Lust for Life]

No idea if he's available but Järnkrok from Toronto is an interesting one too. Signed dirt cheap. A contract which enables you to spend elsewhere.

 

[molon labe]

Tarasenko is a free asset this Summer. I really think the club should take a flyer there.

Then, if the 14OA isn't involved in Helle/Gibson deal - use that for your 1LD or another impact forward.

 

[SEALBound]

We mentioned Laughton as a fit throughout the season here. If Dubas is in the sweepstakes then all power to him.
Well balanced, hard worker, good contract. He's a guy that can handle Sully usage.

Yeah and with good reason too. He's a great 3rd line player that provides nearly everything you could want. He'd be a tremendous 3C for us. I'm just not convinced that price will be right but that's okay.

Some good thoughts in here, but Hall to me is like Kapanen on steroids. Tunnel vision puck hog type of player. I’d worry about chemistry with Sid and Geno with Hall, there’s a good chance he would fit with neither.

That's fair though I would say Hall has a lot more ability to impact a game than Kapanen. I really liked Hall's playoff game this year as well.

 

[Gurglesons]

I’d trade the pick for guys like Hellebuyck or maybe Hanifin, but not Laughton and a pick.

Laughton is better than Hanifin.

They might. McAvoy and Farabee were both meaningful NHLers in D+2.

A prospect picked at 14oa should hold considerably more trade value too.

I don't hate 14 for Laughton+22 but remain firmly of the belief the Pens need to spend their best assets on game changers, or stockpile them in the hope of winning the lottery/buying one later if it can't be done. Guys like Laughton do not move us close enough to contending to be worth it.



The Marleau buyout cost a 1st and that was only for one year of buyout. A team that only wants Granlund for buyout will change a lot.

So maybe when Sid and Malkin are 38 and 39 we can have a top pairing D if we can insulate him with players like Chara, Krug, Carlo, etc?

 

[MeinerEiner]

It's possible he may not fit and I'm not saying he can be Phil Kessel on a strong 3rd line. Though HBK was Kessel getting good players and Crosby and Malkin taking less.

I do like the thought of Hall being able to enter the zone and take some puck duties from Crosby or Malkin to the lighten the role.
If that doesn't work slapping him on the third line would work well.

If I recall correctly, Hall played alongside Crosby during an international tournament.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

The Boston board seems okay with the 2023 or 2024 1st & POJ for Grzelcyk & Ullmark.

 

[Lust for Life]

I don't want Grzelcyk because he has too few vowels in his name

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Geez the Penguins really need to start developing their own third liners if for no other reason than being able to pawn them off on other teams of questionable intelligence for first round picks.

 

[molon labe]

Yeah and with good reason too. He's a great 3rd line player that provides nearly everything you could want. He'd be a tremendous 3C for us. I'm just not convinced that price will be right but that's okay.

That's fair though I would say Hall has a lot more ability to impact a game than Kapanen. I really liked Hall's playoff game this year as well.

He is better than Kappy - he also costs double, albeit Kappy was overpaid.

I don't think Hall at 6 is better than Tarasenko at 7 or JT Miller at 8.

I'd say if Hall came in you'd have to have something pre-aligned with Rust going out. Hall did hit lightning in a bottle a while back but his game isn't super dynamic...not from what I've seen. I think he's paid fairly but I'm not sure it's a price tag that does anything for this club.

 

[Gurglesons]

Geez the Penguins really need to start developing their own third liners if for no other reason than being able to pawn them off on other teams of questionable intelligence for first round picks.

Barbashev, Lehkonen, Hagel, Goodrow, Coleman. These are the type of players that put you into the contender category.

Been arguing it for literally four years now.

Laughton 100% fits that mold.

 

[Freeptop]

The issue with Jake isn’t that he isn’t good now or good for the Pens now…the issue is what to do with his expiring contract on a team that maybe has one year or two years of contention and he’s going to be turning 30 … we don’t have to sell him this summer but we should sell him by the trade deadline if we don’t look like a team capable of winning the Cup by then…get a first round pick back for him or a really good prospect or NHL player…he has a lot of value…I personally think we can sign or trade for a group of forwards that will more than make up for his production, especially considering he nets nearly the same number of EN goals than he does goals at ES lol…he’s small, has had injuries and is turning 30…sell high

Trading Guentzel now is not a good option. If the Pens trade him away they have to replace his production in a market where there aren't exactly a ton of options available... and they already need to replace Zucker.

The better option is to keep Guentzel and then at the trade deadline, if the Pens are out of it, that's when they can get a pretty good return for him as a rental, and at that point, they don't care about the hole in the lineup. If the Pens aren't out of it at the deadline, then they'll need him to both get in, and win some games if/when they get there.

"Asset Management" isn't a be-all-end-all, after all. The goal is to win games, not offseason report cards.