Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[KrisLetAngry]

The Marleau buyout cost a 1st and that was only for one year of buyout. A team that only wants Granlund for buyout will change a lot.

Yea I see that. Makes it less likely
One thing I will mention is that 1st was expected to be a late 1st with were the Leafs were at.

This is a 14 but then again I am asking for a 3rd line solid player + the 22.

Trading Guentzel now is not a good option. If the Pens trade him away they have to replace his production in a market where there aren't exactly a ton of options available... and they already need to replace Zucker.

The better option is to keep Guentzel and then at the trade deadline, if the Pens are out of it, that's when they can get a pretty good return for him as a rental, and at that point, they don't care about the hole in the lineup. If the Pens aren't out of it at the deadline, then they'll need him to both get in, and win some games if/when they get there.

"Asset Management" isn't a be-all-end-all, after all. The goal is to win games, not offseason report cards.

Agreed we don't trade pending UFA on good deal just because we want assets. I'd rather have the player

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Frankly I'm dreaming small though.

What the Penguins really need is a UDFA roughly the size of most compact cars who can rack up the PIMs to get your average lizard-brained NHL GM really salivating and then hope like hell he can fluke his way into a 20 goal season.

Bam... now you got a whole draft class! The hell with one measly first rounder.

 

[K Fleur]

Frankly I'm dreaming small though.

What the Penguins really need is a UDFA roughly the size of most compact cars who can rack up the PIMs to get your average lizard-brained NHL GM really salivating and then hope like hell he can fluke his way into a 20 goal season.

Bam... now you got a whole draft class! The hell with one measly first rounder.

You just put @Gurglesons back on Tanner Jeannot watch.

 

[Gurglesons]

You just put @Gurglesons back on Tanner Jeannot watch.

Jeannot is going to sign a sweetheart deal with Tampa and have an amazing season next year while we trade for another Granlund.

 

[Darren McCord]

Jeannot is going to sign a sweetheart deal with Tampa and have an amazing season next year while we trade for another Granlund.

lol nah Jeannot is gona be a flop.

And I dont think dubas makes a crap trade like that.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

So I have a strong feeling if we make the playoffs we should sign Guentzel to a new contract. What does that contract look like?

Can we get him for 8x8 or will he command more in the 8.5/9 relm.

28 turning 29.

2 years NMC Lines up with Malkin. 3rd year 27/28 team NTC
4th year 24 team NTC.
Year 5 to 8 16 team NTC.
Max signing bonuses every year but last year.

Do you think we could pull something like that off?

 

[Gurglesons]

lol nah Jeannot is gona be a flop.

And I dont think dubas makes a crap trade like that.

He was hurt this year. He’ll be fine.

Only a fool would doubt the Lightning’s player evaluation.

 

[K Fleur]

Jeannot is going to sign a sweetheart deal with Tampa and have an amazing season next year while we trade for another Granlund.

The only thing that could have made the Granlund trade worse was if it was the Jeannot trade.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

He was hurt this year. He’ll be fine.

Only a fool would doubt the Lightning’s player evaluation.

I have to agree with this after so many lucky hits you gotta wonder if that's not just luck but quality pro scouting.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think Guentzel is going to be cheaper to re-sign than what he'd get in the UFA market. I think the Penguins as an organization have really established a compensation system where guys who stay end up taking less than they could get on the open market. I think Crosby was the first guy who established this and guys like Letang, Malkin and Rust have followed.

I think he'd get $8.5 million a year in free agency, but I think he'll sign for something in the 7s to stay with the Penguins.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I think Guentzel is going to be cheaper to re-sign than what he'd get in the UFA market. I think the Penguins as an organization have really established a compensation system where guys who stay end up taking less than they could get on the open market. I think Crosby was the first guy who established this and guys like Letang, Malkin and Rust have followed.

I think he'd get $8.5 million a year in free agency, but I think he'll sign for something in the 7s to stay with the Penguins.

If he signs in the 7s I am signing him Up July 1st no questions asked at 8 years. I'd even give one more year of NMC and change NTC structure I suggest.

 

[Turin]

Laughton is better than Hanifin.

He’s a good player but no.

 

[Gurglesons]

I have to agree with this after so many lucky hits you gotta wonder if that's not just luck but quality pro scouting.

Not even quality pro scouting.

Anyone with a brain could make these deals if they look at the league and what teams need to win..

He’s a good player but no.

Hanifin is Jeff Petry but worse.

 

[IcedCapp]

I think Guentzel is going to be cheaper to re-sign than what he'd get in the UFA market. I think the Penguins as an organization have really established a compensation system where guys who stay end up taking less than they could get on the open market. I think Crosby was the first guy who established this and guys like Letang, Malkin and Rust have followed.

I think he'd get $8.5 million a year in free agency, but I think he'll sign for something in the 7s to stay with the Penguins.

if he really wanted to get risky, he could sign a 3-year deal for 7-7.5, and then try to get a huge payday after the core retires, but he'd be betting on himself getting a big deal at the age of 31

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

You just put @Gurglesons back on Tanner Jeannot watch.

I'm just havin' a little bit of fun on a slow Monday.

I see the appeal of a guy like Jeannot. Just not "here's my whole draft class thanks" appeal.

I never really go all in on the whole "<X> is the way to win in this league!" approach, anyway. Seems like teams find new ways to win every year. Hell until they totally shit themselves the Panthers were about to have a bunch of sweaty GMs bust out the checkbooks for the next Bob... and still might. When conventional wisdom has said otherwise for many years.

If there is maybe just one constant to "what wins" it's talent.

 

[TimmyD]

The only thing that could have made the Granlund trade worse was if it was the Jeannot trade.

I would have rather made the Jeannot trade then the Granlund trade. At least Jeannot has some element that this team is lacking. You can say it was a big overpay, but I’d rather overpay for something that’s missing vs making a panic move just for the sake of it

 

[Turin]

Not even quality pro scouting.

Anyone with a brain could make these deals if they look at the league and what teams need to win..



Hanifin is Jeff Petry but worse.

Hanifin is significantly younger and significantly better defensively than Petry.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Not even quality pro scouting.

Anyone with a brain could make these deals if they look at the league and what teams need to win..

I am of the opinion that if i was GM we would be in a better spot but then again Hextall didnt have a brain.

I do not think we would have as much cap space though right now.

 

[K Fleur]

What’s really been holding the Pens back is that they don’t read HFboards.

If they had a brain(like us) and read this board they would have made real moves like trade Crosby for Mark Scheiffle, and send Guenztel plus a 1st for Sam Bennett.

 

[Turin]

Tampa are megaminds who galaxy brained the system. They didn’t have an insane core drafted by their previous GM and won during fake seasons against unworthy opponents. Nope that never happened.

 

[Gurglesons]

Hanifin is significantly younger and significantly better defensively than Petry.

Because of charts?

Hanifin has gotten absolutely railroaded in the playoffs.

I am of the opinion that if i was GM we would be in a better spot but then again Hextall didnt have a brain.

I do not think we would have as much cap space though right now.

I’m not sure it’s about us being smarter than them. Just a certain skill set that teams that want cups are acquiring.

Tampa are megaminds who galaxy brained the system. They didn’t have an insane core drafted by their previous GM and won during fake seasons against unworthy opponents. Nope that never happened.

Cos the 15-16 and 16-17 Penguins faced such powerhouses in the SCF?

 

[Turin]

Because of charts?

Hanifin has gotten absolutely railroaded in the playoffs.

Because of everything. Ok, defenseman got smoked by McDavid with his goalie putting up an .800. He’s still good.

 

[IcedCapp]

Cos the 15-16 and 16-17 Penguins faced such powerhouses in the SCF?

i think the media picked against us in both finals though! (or i'm wrong, but it sounds better, so don't f***ing correct me)

 

[Turin]

Because of charts?

Hanifin has gotten absolutely railroaded in the playoffs.



I’m not sure it’s about us being smarter than them. Just a certain skill set that teams that want cups are acquiring.



Cos the 15-16 and 16-17 Penguins faced such powerhouses in the SCF?

San Jose and Nashville were real teams. Dallas was barely a real team who wouldn’t have made it that far if not for the bubble and Montreal was the dumbest Cup final opponent in league history.

 

[Gurglesons]

Because of everything. Ok, defenseman got smoked by McDavid with his goalie putting up an .800. He’s still good.

If he’s so good why is a team with weak LD depth trying to move him?