Post-Game Talk: Penguin III

[Unpredictable1]

If people are blaming this loss on Geo, not sure what to say. Guaranteed if Shesty let that soft goal in , this place would be blaming it on the defense and saying it’s not Shesty’s fault.

I love you guys but sometimes some of your are over the top with the hatred and negativity on certain players and with the team overall.

Georgie would tell you himself that he was wrong to be in the VH stance/position on that goal but I agree - this loss isn't on him. I will admit I was nervous for him coming in for his first time these playoffs but he settled in quick with some good saves as we clawed back.

I do agree there's some insufferable, emotionally driven posts that get placed here - some even after a win. Heck I know I've probably thrown some crap on here too. lol

Series is 2-1, there's no easy path in the playoffs. Tie it up on Monday and drag this fight back to the Garden. Let's Go!!!

 

[rangers1314]

Total off day today.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Yeah so after sleeping on it I’m even more mad about this loss than I was last night. After losing game 1 to lose game 3 in this fashion was absolutely horrible.

Really not that confident in them at all. This was a completely winnable series and losing is entirely because the Rangers beat themselves in my opinion. Pittsburgh even when fully healthy is a worse team and was playing worse coming into the playoffs than the Rangers were. Then you factor in all injuries they have and losing this series is inexcusable imo.

I understand the “oh they’re young” of it all but with the veteran talent there is really no excuse to lose this series. Kreider and Mika are not getting it done. Igor has not nearly been the advantage that you would expect the best goalie in the league vs an AHLer would present. Domingue isn’t terrible but when we have the best goalie in the league it’s really unacceptable to lose the goaltending battle. How does Igor respond? Who knows but we really really really neeed him to step up in game 4 and win this game regardless of how the Rangers play, he needs to will us to victory. I know he had all the saves in Game 1 and he was fine in game 2 but he really hasn’t looked locked in yet at all.

 

[McRanger92]

You see the value of players like Lindgren & Goodrow when they’re out. The team defense is really struggling because Nemeth and Rooney (although his play that lead to the shorty will get him paid this summer) have to play major DZone minutes.

The Rangers are the better team and I’m not worried about Igor but every bounce and call seems to be going the Penguins way. Win Game 4 and come back to NY needing to win 2/3 with home ice

 

[duhmetreE]

Am I crazy for thinking Strome has been a lot better than Zibanejad so far?

No.

It'd be nice for Gallant to indirectly call him out. "We need a littler bit more from our top centers"

 

[hackeyman]

Igor just hasn't been good enough. If you use a sizable chunk of cap on a goalie, that goalie has to be playing well in the playoffs.

Nemeth and Georgiev stink but that's nothing new. Need Lindgren back badly because I don't even think Braun is much better than Nemeth.

Either way we would be 2-1 if Shesty was just good, not even great.

Ummmmm......he had a 950+ save percentage in each of the first 2 games.

 

[Machinehead]

I think Fox is better at even strength than on the power play.

Maybe one day Jones surpasses him but he’s good, not great as a PPQB.

It’s Fox’s two way play at even strength that makes him a Norris candidate level defenseman. Kreider, Zibby, Panarin are in my eyes the big parts of what make our pp dangerous.

Five players in the NHL have more powerplay points than Fox the last two years.

Not defensemen. Players.

 

[MrAlmost]

Pathetic effort in the third. Refs gave you the game on a platter.

Who knew all you had to do to f*** Igor up was chant his name a few times? 10-ply.

 

[Fitzy]

Five players in the NHL have more powerplay points than Fox the last two years.

Not defensemen. Players.

I'm not contesting that point.

My argument is that plenty of other defensemen could score those points playing with the caliber forwards they have.

Fox is far more instrumental to creating chances at even strength. His best asset on the power play is that he's very good at keeping the puck in the zone.

 

[duhmetreE]

I think Fox is better at even strength than on the power play.

Maybe one day Jones surpasses him but he’s good, not great as a PPQB.

It’s Fox’s two way play at even strength that makes him a Norris candidate level defenseman. Kreider, Zibby, Panarin are in my eyes the big parts of what make our pp dangerous.

Fox is effective but some times, especially against top/aggressive PK's, he's too slow and deliberate. If he could pick up the tempo, change styles when it permits, that'd be nice.

If he could work on his shot as well.. That'd help immensely. He's aright at getting it through. All he really needs is that ADA floater. He doesn't have the dynamic skating ADA had to create shooting lanes but he still has his deceptive ways to be effective.

For whatever reason, his one-timer setups are not Foxy.

 

[hackeyman]

The teams that I think have the best chance at winning the Cup are each paying their keeper $4.5M this year. But you are missing the point.

Having a great goalie is awesome. The best goalie in the league isn’t worth twice as much as the 15th best goalie though, considering how that extra money impacts the rest of your lineup.

TBL cheated the cap last year. They had to shed salary this year to remain cap compliant and they are looking at a first round exit.

Having a top of the league Shesterkin at $5M is a huge advantage. The same won’t be true when he’s making $10M+ and we have to further weaken the lineup depth.

So what teams do you think have the best chances of winning the Stanley Cup ?

 

[Machinehead]

I'm not contesting that point.

My argument is that plenty of other defensemen could score those points playing with the caliber forwards they have.

Fox is far more instrumental to creating chances at even strength. His best asset on the power play is that he's very good at keeping the puck in the zone.

Fox is literally not more instrumental at creating chances at even strength. This is where you're going to think I just made up "scoring chances" because it doesn't match what you think, but Fox creates way more chances on the powerplay adjusted, of course, for the fact that it's a powerplay.

If you bring up the same charts for the forwards, none of them are close. The caliber of forward has been around for a long time. We've had Panarin since 19-20, Zibanejad since 16-17, and Kreider since 59-60. The powerplay was never top 5 until Fox was introduced.

He's not the guy playing with the guys, he's the guy the guys are playing with.

 

[Machinehead]

Fox is effective but some times, especially against top/aggressive PK's, he's too slow and deliberate. If he could pick up the tempo, change styles when it permits, that'd be nice.

If he could work on his shot as well.. That'd help immensely. He's aright at getting it through. All he really needs is that ADA floater. He doesn't have the dynamic skating ADA had to create shooting lanes but he still has his deceptive ways to be effective.

For whatever reason, his one-timer setups are not Foxy.

He doesn't have that ADA floater or his dynamic skating, he just does stupid shit like his team scoring goals.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Must win tomorrow
Still winnable

 

[NikC]

The teams that I think have the best chance at winning the Cup are each paying their keeper $4.5M this year. But you are missing the point.

Having a great goalie is awesome. The best goalie in the league isn’t worth twice as much as the 15th best goalie though, considering how that extra money impacts the rest of your lineup.

TBL cheated the cap last year. They had to shed salary this year to remain cap compliant and they are looking at a first round exit.

Having a top of the league Shesterkin at $5M is a huge advantage. The same won’t be true when he’s making $10M+ and we have to further weaken the lineup depth.

When would Shesterkin be in need of a new contract? This org. has rocks for brains if we're going to overpay for the the goalie position again. Henrik's contract was a hinderance.

 

[rangersfansince08]

He doesn't have that ADA floater or his dynamic skating, he just does stupid shit like his team scoring goals.

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Yea I don't understand the clamoring for Deangelo. Fox is an elite PP player. He'll be in the Norris conversation next year again.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Am I crazy for thinking Strome has been a lot better than Zibanejad so far?

I don't think so, Strome for all of his flaws has elevated his game.

 

[Machinehead]

Yea I don't understand the clamoring for Deangelo. Fox is an elite PP player. He'll be in the Norris conversation next year again.

PP is by far the thing he's best at and that's saying something.

The criticism is literally because he doesn't #SHOOTHARD

 

[rangersfansince08]

We need to create more PP opportunities. I think our PP was 2nd/3rd but we were 25th in opportunities.

PP is by far the thing he's best at and that's saying something.

The criticism is literally because he doesn't #SHOOTHARD

He keeps the puck in the zone on the PP like 3-4 times every game when it is about to be cleared/

I think we would all love it if he worked on his shot and scored 20+ goals ala Josi/Makar because that would make him even more elite. But clamoring for Deangelo is stupid.

 

[Machinehead]

We need to create more PP opportunities. I think our PP was 2nd/3rd but we were 25th in opportunities.


He keeps the puck in the zone on the PP like 3-4 times every game when it is about to be cleared/

I think we would all love it if he worked on his shot and scored 20+ goals ala Josi/Makar because that would make him even more elite. But clamoring for Deangelo is stupid.

We got three in a row and it was like "how could we waste this golden opportunity???" The Penguins got four in a row on Tuesday and it was Tuesday.

It wouldn't make sense for Fox to shoot to score from the blueline when has Zibanejad to set up for shots and one of the best PP net-front guys of a generation (so why would you try to kill him? Zucc and McD say hi). He does his job. He has the intelligence to understand his job.

The reason DeAngelo's PP metrics are actually very underwhelming is because he shoots like he's trying to kill an elephant and clears the zone a lot.

 

[ReddestRum]

So, I don't understand the Geo shitting in this particular post game. Shesty plays like absolute ass, but Geo helps the team claw back to tie it. He gets put on for 20 shots and plays double the minutes of Shesty, but lets in one, but he gets shit on because he has to be absolutely perfect even though we can't score on three in a row late game PPs?

Yikes.

 

[duhmetreE]

He doesn't have that ADA floater or his dynamic skating, he just does stupid shit like his team scoring goals.

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What does this have to do with getting a shot through?

Relax. I know ADA is a trigger word for you. If you can't have a conversation with the point being talked about, dont respond.

"ADA can walk the line and create a shooting angle" doesn't mean he's better than Fox or that I'd prefer him. You posting charts doesn't refute anything being talked about.

 

[DanielBrassard]

So, I don't understand the Geo shitting in this particular post game. Shesty plays like absolute ass, but Geo helps the team claw back to tie it. He gets put on for 20 shots and plays double the minutes of Shesty, but lets in one, but he gets shit on because he has to be absolutely perfect even though we can't score on three in a row late game PPs?

Yikes.

Geo played really well, he made two incredible stops on Sid before the tie breaker. It's just that he always seems to have a penchant for giving up really soft goals at the worst times that makes people want to strangle him. But no it obviously wasn't his fault for losing last night.

 

[ReddestRum]

Geo played really well, he made two incredible stops on Sid before the tie breaker. It's just that he always seems to have a penchant for giving up really soft goals at the worst times that makes people want to strangle him. But no it obviously wasn't his fault for losing last night.

I hear you. Seriously, we're running into a Hank situation again, IMO. Our goalies, no matter who plays, has to carry this team because they can seldom carry themselves. You can't expect our goalies to stand on their head night after night after night after night to bail out absolutely awful defense. I've been saying it all season, the guys in front of the goalies need to be held responsible, and the fact that this series is 2-1 against a goalie that is 1-1 for the entire season is laughable. It has less to do with playoff "experience" and more about ineptitude.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I hear you. Seriously, we're running into a Hank situation again, IMO. Our goalies, no matter who plays, has to carry this team because they can seldom carry themselves. You can't expect our goalies to stand on their head night after night after night after night to bail out absolutely awful defense. I've been saying it all season, the guys in front of the goalies need to be held responsible, and the fact that this series is 2-1 against a goalie that is 1-1 for the entire season is laughable.

you're 100% right. Well said.