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It burns, but man what experience these kids are getting in three PO games. So proud and bummed out simultaneously.

Kakko should get an 'A' on opening night btw.
 
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Igor just hasn't been good enough. If you use a sizable chunk of cap on a goalie, that goalie has to be playing well in the playoffs.

Nemeth and Georgiev stink but that's nothing new. Need Lindgren back badly because I don't even think Braun is much better than Nemeth.

Either way we would be 2-1 if Shesty was just good, not even great.
 
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Kupo said:
A+ f***ing post my dude. Seriously.

We’ve physically dominated the Pens this series. Your whole MO since joining this board has revolved around the idea that we’re a bunch of pansies who can’t handle physical, playoff hockey.

We’re actually doing quite alright with that area despite missing guys like Lindgren+Goodrow the last two games, plus Motte, Blais.

I know every team has injuries but not having these 4 guys in our lineup, who are all built for playoff hockey, really sucks.

Even with a full club — we’re still not there yet. Guys like Fox and Miller and the entire kid line need this experience before we can take the next step as a franchise.

As frustrated as we all are, we have to collectively admit this team took a HUGE step forward this year, regardless of what happens from here on out. That’s why I’m not that mad. We’re a couple of bounces from being up 3-0 here despite going up against one of the leagues (still) elite in Crosby.


Who’s Mika been playing against? Right. A future hall of famer who still one of the very best in the league.

Who’s shutting that Crosby line down besides our top line? Nobody.

I get the frustration with Mika offensively, but he did a great job against Crosbys line tonight.
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You’re the only clown watching that thinks we’ve dominated anything…
We’ve had a few big hits - that’s not dominant.

Puck possession is dominant.. rubbing D men out. - see scheinder see Nemeth - and stealing the puck is dominating.

Pinning the rangers in with a superior forecheck to close the game out is dominant.

You A class schmuck
 
Synergy27 said:
There are severely diminishing returns though. I argued this until I was blue in the face for the entirety of Hank’s career. The best goalie is not better enough than the fifteenth best goalie to justify getting paid twice as much in a cap world.

The Rangers are lucky to have Shesterkin on a reasonable deal right now. They shouldn’t resign him for market value as a UFA.

It’s like the faceoff thing we also argue about. Yes, they are not as important as they sometimes seem. But this assumes you are at least league average at them.

You need to have a mid level goalie that can get hot.

You need to have players that can win faceoffs at a league average rate.

You need to have high end skill that shows up in the forward and defense corps.
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Yeah , ask the Montreal Canadiens how important a goalie is. Vegas Knights too.They took for granted two of the best and paid dearly for it. I bet Tampa Bay really regrets the money they spent on their goalie. Roughly speaking most of the teams that made the playoffs this year relied on goalies earning 5 million or more. The teams that didn't make the playoffs relied on goalies earning 5 million or less and roughly it's a 2:1 ratio on goalie but only marginal difference on total cap minus goalie.

The other issue with goalies is it is much harder to acquire a good goalie through the draft. You can draft forwards and defencemen but goalies are a bit of a crapshoot . Even free agency is hard to acquire a great goalie as they mostly get signed/extended beforehand. We currently pay each forward position 17 million per 60mins of icetime. If Shesty proves to be dependable and durable the Rangers will be crazy not to resign him UNLESS they somehow are able to acquire another great goalie through the draft or some other measure and even that is problematic because you can't tell how the goalie will mentally handle the starter responsiblities (see Matt Murray).
 
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Yeah , ask the Montreal Canadiens how important a goalie is. Vegas Knights too.They took for granted two of the best and paid dearly for it. I bet Tampa Bay really regrets the money they spent on their goalie. Roughly speaking most of the teams that made the playoffs this year relied on goalies earning 5 million or more. The teams that didn't make the playoffs relied on goalies earning 5 million or less and roughly it's a 2:1 ratio on goalie but only marginal difference on total cap minus goalie.

The other issue with goalies is it is much harder to acquire a good goalie through the draft. You can draft forwards and defencemen but goalies are a bit of a crapshoot . Even free agency is hard to acquire a great goalie as they mostly get signed/extended beforehand. We currently pay each forward position 17 million per 60mins of icetime. If Shesty proves to be dependable and durable the Rangers will be crazy not to resign him UNLESS they somehow are able to acquire another great goalie through the draft or some other measure and even that is problematic because you can't tell how the goalie will mentally handle the starter responsiblities (see Matt Murray).
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The teams that I think have the best chance at winning the Cup are each paying their keeper $4.5M this year. But you are missing the point.

Having a great goalie is awesome. The best goalie in the league isn’t worth twice as much as the 15th best goalie though, considering how that extra money impacts the rest of your lineup.

TBL cheated the cap last year. They had to shed salary this year to remain cap compliant and they are looking at a first round exit.

Having a top of the league Shesterkin at $5M is a huge advantage. The same won’t be true when he’s making $10M+ and we have to further weaken the lineup depth.
 
1st road playoff game for a lot of the group. It is one thing to play at home, but on the road is another.

A whole lot of unfortunate things happened to Shesterkin. The 1st and 4th goals he couldn't do anything about. Nemeth being shot into the sun this off-season is the biggest thing the team can do. I'd play Jones, but that is a rough spot to enter the lineup for a rookie, but it would be better than Nemeth. Bad bounce of the boards for the 4th one right back into the slot. Not much Shesterkin could do there.

The good news is the young guys didn't look bad. Schneider did have a bad turnover leading to a goal, but other than that the kid line looked good, and was their best line the 1st half of the game. Lots of resilience in the team to come back down 3.

Can't blame Georgiev overall, but he needs to stop that 5th goal. That cannot go in and was a backbreaker.

The deadline pickups have been huge. Vatrano and Copp are adding a lot to the top 6. If Motte can come back for game 5, that would be amazing. Reaves I think served his role and if Motte can come in, he should be the guy out.

Also need to switch something up on the PP. That really was the game. 3 straight in the 3rd. Have to convert on one of them.
 
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NYROrtsFan said:
Igor just hasn't been good enough. If you use a sizable chunk of cap on a goalie, that goalie has to be playing well in the playoffs.

Nemeth and Georgiev stink but that's nothing new. Need Lindgren back badly because I don't even think Braun is much better than Nemeth.

Either way we would be 2-1 if Shesty was just good, not even great.
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I thought last night Nemeth had his worst game as a Ranger. It's shocking to me that Braun was playing top pairing minutes in Philly for as long as he did. Igor had a bad night too. He was rattled, he was playing to deep and the pens kept going to the net and getting in his crease. I think there is a learning curve here that he is still getting used to between the regular season and playoffs.
 
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Siddi said:
Scoring 13 goals in 3 games and they cant finish? What a stupid take. The reason the series is 2-1 Pittsburgh is our Vezina winner is being outplayed by a 3rd string goalie.
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I take that back, but they should have blown game 1 open in the first 25 minutes before they fell apart. The 3rd string goalie has been made to look better than he is.

Beyond that, the rest of my posts stands. Shesterkin was great in games 1 and 2; last night game 3, things did not go well.
 
Synergy27 said:
The teams that I think have the best chance at winning the Cup are each paying their keeper $4.5M this year. But you are missing the point.

Having a great goalie is awesome. The best goalie in the league isn’t worth twice as much as the 15th best goalie though, considering how that extra money impacts the rest of your lineup.

TBL cheated the cap last year. They had to shed salary this year to remain cap compliant and they are looking at a first round exit.

Having a top of the league Shesterkin at $5M is a huge advantage. The same won’t be true when he’s making $10M+ and we have to further weaken the lineup depth.
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You're not getting it. It's only 5 Million per the goalie position. We're at 17 million per forward position and that's 3 positions you only have to trim 1.66 million per to make up the extra 5. What teams do you think have the best chance of winning the cup ?
 
TheDirtyH said:
Tough crowd in the PGT.

Definitely a disheartening game, but I don't think it was a disaster... The pens got some very weird goals off of bounces in the first.

We'll tie the series Monday. This was never likely to be a short series one way or the other: if Shesterkin wasn't God for four months this year, Pittsburgh easily finishes ahead of us and are the heavy favorites.

The Rangers haven't played their best hockey yet. They may not get there--and some of that is coaching, some of that is Zibanejad cutting out his Rick Nash impression--it might not come together. But OTOH, I don't think Pittsburgh has another gear and certainly they're due some bad luck of their own.

Shesterkin gets some extra rest and hopefully that helps him. The team loses 7-4, letting up 4 in a first period, and hopefully that helps them dial in. I think Vally was spot on. The Rangers have been successful playing a suffocating, low-event game.
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It's disheartening because Pittsburgh has done little in my eyes to be up 2-1. We are beating ourselves. It's like watching a video game where a team has +100 luck and +100charisma. Their PP scored 2 goals. Ours dropped the ball. Game over.

Officiating is what it is and we have to deal with it. Nemeth, Zibs/PP and our Goaltending in game 3 let us down. If Nemeth plays another game, we deserve to lose.

Also, to add... A MAJOR defining factor so far...

Crosby >>>>>>>>>>> Zibs
Carter > Strome

Would be nice to have a big game Center to rely upon.
 
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A string of bad luck and unfortunate events.

Nemeth being Nemeth. Down 1-0.
Refs being Pittsburgh fans on a terrible call. Down 2-0. We should have not allowed their 2nd unit to score. Freak goal.
Fox getting blasted REALLY late, 100% interference and no call... leads to a high stick against. Leads to another freak 2nd unit PPG.
3rd pair shitting the bed again. 4-1.
CLAW back to 4-4.
Nemeth can't handle the puck on a pedestrian/simple play and then the Georgie Suplex Backbreaker.

Either pray we get Lindgren back and slot Braun down or give me Jones. WE NEED PUCK MOVERS. Jones is 2-3x the player Nemeth is.

Shesty will be fine.
 
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You can take whatever you want from stats, but the Rangers definitely had the better chances last night. The Domingue save on Mika's one timer was probably the game.

We can trash on him however we want to, but he's been good. Stopped more than what was expected last night. You can say that is on the Rangers for not finishing, but sometimes you hit the right spot and it gets stopped.

Just avoid the cataclysmic start in game 4 and I think they win and we're in a best of 3.
 
I'd love to see Jones more than anything but he is too raw in the defensive zone. Gallant won't trust him. I know Nemeth is terrible and to us it seems like the right move, it's just not likely. If anything Hajek would be put in.
 
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From what ive watched Strome has been one of the better players this series.
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Strome gets bashed so much and I’ve seen so many people call him a “loser” specifically. But idk, even in the bubble he showed passion and dropped the gloves and beat old man Williams ass. I think Strome may just be more of a big game player than Zibanejad.
 
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Strome has been solid enough just in time to get a fat contract from Chris Drury to set him up for life so he can go back to being a lazy asshole once the ink is dry
 
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