Speculation: Roster Building thread - Part XVII - (TDL is March 7th)

[Savant]

The current "black hole" has involved making the conference finals in 2 of the last 3 years.

You're losing your mind with one bad season. You're going to be able to handle 10 straight bad seasons with no playoffs or first round exits? I'm sure you'll say yes if (in the unlikely scenario) it pays off in the end. I'll believe it when I see it.

That era is over. It’s alien. Yeah we are in a bad season. There isn’t exactly a path for this to improve as long as they are struck with these bad immovable contracts,

 

[SnowblindNYR]

No that’s not what I am saying at all. You build the strong infrastructure so you are bringing these guys in when the time is right to augment the core. You don’t bring in these guys to be the core. Rangers do this backwards all the time. Our foundation is rotten.


How is that worse than the current black hole that we are sucked in

I know we suck now but how are 10 years of bad teams worse than 3 seasons in a row of 107+ points and two seasons making it to the ECF? And before that when we were going deep in the playoffs every year with Hank? I don't know seems pretty obvious to me. People put way too much stock into championships. If my team is good for 10 years but never win I'll take that over them being bad for 8 of those 10 seasons and getting one win. I value my time way too much to have garbage season over garbage season. I'd rather be heartbroken over the course of 6 games every year in the ECF than having no interest in 82. But that's just me.

If the question is Penguins/Blackhawks or Rangers/Sharks, sure I'll take the ABSOLUTE best case scenario vs. competitive teams that didn't go over the hump. But that's all people look at, no one looks at the absolute dregs of the league being the ones most likely to full scale rebuild.

 

[Savant]

I know we suck now but how are 10 years of bad teams worse than 3 seasons in a row of 107+ points and two seasons making it to the ECF? And before that when we were going deep in the playoffs every year with Hank? I don't know seems pretty obvious to me. People put way too much stock into championships. If my team is good for 10 years but never win I'll take that over them being bad for 8 of those 10 seasons and getting one win. I value my time way too much to have garbage season over garbage season. I'd rather be heartbroken over the course of 6 games every year in the ECF than having no interest in 82. But that's just me.

If the question is Penguins/Blackhawks or Rangers/Sharks, sure I'll take the ABSOLUTE best case scenario vs. competitive teams that didn't go over the hump. But that's all people look at, no one looks at the absolute dregs of the league being the ones most likely to full scale rebuild.

It’s not, but we aren’t in that era anymore. We’ve exited and we are in year one right now, not year eleven

 

[UnparalledPark]

Utah apparently placing Juuso Valimaki on waivers.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

If we deal Fox, two years from now we'll be whining that we don't have a #1 dman and how hard it is to get one. He's not old. He's also not someone who relies on his physical tools, so he should age pretty well. Unless he loses a major step speed-wise and is an anchor.

Same people are flipping out that we traded a middle 6er getting middle 6 results in Seattle.

It’s not, but we aren’t in that era anymore. We’ve exited and we are in year one right now, not year eleven

Explain Washington then.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

BTW, I guarantee you that Red Wings fans, who are fans of arguably the most successful franchise of the last 30 years are not celebrating in the streets over their playoff-less streak and their "rebuild". I just wish people had some common sense.

 

[bernmeister]

I don’t think Adam Fox should be dealt because he is having a down season. Adam Fox should be dealt because we should be blowing this up. But it’s not going to happen.

agree for dif reason, imo the one that really matters...
we trade Fox, or anyone else, b'c what we get in return is more, enuf so it potentially changes the dynamic of this roster/its depth

I care. I don’t want to sit through 10 years of crap hoping that may happen to hit everything just right.

Unless you get lucky, due to cap, only way is to build, add quality youth
starts w/draft, then make shrewd moves to add

THAT IS NOT THE WIN NOW BS SOME PEEPS WANT B'C THEY DON'T WANT TO WAIT

admit I'm right
learn w/da bern

 

[LokiDog]

Then enjoy having a miserable time for 10 years on the hope of the small chances you turn into Colorado (First top 5 pick was in 2009. Won cup in 2022 13 years later which is the only year they've made it out of the 2nd round in the last 16 years).

Conversely, you could be Buffalo who started blowing it up after 2012 and have yet to make the playoffs since.

Sure, but the misery of watching Mackinnon, Makar, Rantanen, Landeskog, etc. over that time frame or of watching McDavid and Draisaitl is still probably ultimately more enjoyable as a fan than watching a Rangers team that hasn’t been able to figure out how to pass cleanly for 20+ years or who only knows how to find their effort in the final 5 minutes of a game. Buffalo is a special kind of horror story; imagine if they had an Eichel/Thompson 1-2 punch with Reinhart and Dahlin. The Rangers will never have the problems that Buffalo and Edmonton have with attracting talent to augment their roster. Their biggest challenge would be resisting the urge to jump the gun and throw heaps of money at a UFA that pulls them out of the rebuild too quickly (alla Panarin).

At this point, I’m not even saying do it/don’t do it. I just don’t think that what we have on the roster or in the system is good enough and for the majority of this team, their best days are behind them. Even Shesterkin is older than he feels, because he came over later on. I completely understand what you’re saying about the low success rate of rebuilds and the length of time they can take, but I also don’t know if blistering mediocrity with NO game breaking, exciting talent is actually more fun to watch than being a bottom 5-10 team for several years but getting some genuinely exciting and electrifying talent into the system - and not at the UFA age of 27. At this point, I just want to be entertained. It may suck missing the playoffs or falling short year after year like Colorado has for the most part, but there is absolutely an entertainment factor in watching Mackinnon and Makar every game, year after year that this team virtually never achieves.

 

[Savant]

Explain Washington then.

Washington has one of the best GMs in the league and one of the best coaches in the league. We have neither of those things

 

[MrAlmost]

Rangers should claim Valimaki if he gets to us. Doubtful though.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Washington has one of the best GMs in the league and one of the best coaches in the league. We have neither of those things

I'm all for a major rebuild, but after this organization bleeped up the last one (they half-assed it), does anyone have confidence that this franchise, as currently constituted with the same GM/Head Coach/development staff, etc. will get the next one right? They suck at player development, especially with skill forwards.

They only way a rebuild would work is if the organizational philosophies/cultures/training change, and that only happens with new people in place heading up those roles.

 

[SA16]

I'm all for a major rebuild, but after this organization bleeped up the last one (they half-assed it), does anyone have confidence that this franchise, as currently constituted with the same GM/Head Coach/development staff, etc. will get the next one right? They suck at player development, especially with skill forwards.

They only way a rebuild would work is if the organizational philosophies/cultures/training change, and that only happens with new people in place heading up those roles.

It is a pretty hard argument to say they screwed up their last "rebuild" when it led to them making the conference finals two times in three years. Even a successful rebuild does not lead to like 20 years of sustained success.

Washington has one of the best GMs in the league and one of the best coaches in the league. We have neither of those things

Washington has a rookie GM and a second year head coach. How can you say they are both among the best?

 

[Savant]

I'm all for a major rebuild, but after this organization bleeped up the last one (they half-assed it), does anyone have confidence that this franchise, as currently constituted with the same GM/Head Coach/development staff, etc. will get the next one right? They suck at player development, especially with skill forwards.

They only way a rebuild would work is if the organizational philosophies/cultures/training change, and that only happens with new people in place heading up those roles.

The fish rots from the head

 

[RangersFan1994]

Hope to see a Larry Brooks tweet sometime soon.



It's that time of year.

Good-bye Chris.

Ryan Lindgren goes too.

The Rangers locker room will crushed and devastated. NASA says an asteroid could hit the earth in 2032. The asteroid will hit the Rangers room hopefully soon.

Mika will waive his NMC in the summer.

Drury grabs his balls and trades Fox before the NMC starts on July 1. Shop him to specific teams.

Misery.

JT Miller will think maybe Vancouver wasn't so bad after all. LOL.


Need Lundell in the trade.

I would love Lundell but I bet he is untouchable. He is so underrated.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Washington has one of the best GMs in the league and one of the best coaches in the league. We have neither of those things

Our GM sucks, so the solution is for our GM to do one of the most difficult things in hockey, a full scale rebuild?

 

[Savant]

It is a pretty hard argument to say they screwed up their last "rebuild" when it led to them making the conference finals two times in three years. Even a successful rebuild does not lead to like 20 years of sustained success.



Washington has a rookie GM and a second year head coach. How can you say they are both among the best?

I mean I was talking about McClennan (who I guess promoted himself) for GM. His handprints are still all over the Caps. Carberry was the most sought after coaching candidate a year ago, overachieved and should have been an Adams Finalist, and he will probably be an Adams finalist this year too. How are they not?

Our GM sucks, so the solution is for our GM to do one of the most difficult things in hockey, a full scale rebuild?

No. The solution is get a GM who doesn’t suck.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I mean I was talking about McClennan (who I guess promoted himself) for GM. His handprints are still all over the Caps. Carberry was the most sought after coaching candidate a year ago, overachieved and should have been an Adams Finalist, and he will probably be an Adams finalist this year too. How are they not?


No. The solution is get a GM who doesn’t suck.

A GM who doesn't suck would presumably not need a full scale rebuild to get the franchise in the right direction if the Caps didn't need it either. f***, the Panthers were what a Penguins win against the worst team in the league away in 2023 from missing the playoffs themselves?

 

[SA16]

A GM who doesn't suck would presumably not need a full scale rebuild to get the franchise in the right direction if the Caps didn't need it either. f***, the Panthers were what a Penguins win against the worst team in the league away in 2023 from missing the playoffs themselves?

They were also pretty much universally blasted in the off-season for the Pierre-Luc Dubois trade.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I want at least 2 cups before this asteroid hits. 28.06.42.12. Get it done Drury.

 

[Savant]

A GM who doesn't suck would presumably not need a full scale rebuild to get the franchise in the right direction if the Caps didn't need it either. f***, the Panthers were what a Penguins win against the worst team in the league away in 2023 from missing the playoffs themselves?

I mean let’s start with getting a GM/POHO that doesn’t suck in first and then we can worry about that. The question was what’s different between us and Washington. The answer is GM and coach.

They were also pretty much universally blasted in the off-season for the Pierre-Luc Dubois trade.

This isn’t making the point that you think that it’s making

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I mean let’s start with getting a GM/POHO that doesn’t suck in first and then we can worry about that. The question was what’s different between us and Washington. The answer is GM and coach.

No one is disputing getting a better GM. We're disputing a full scale rebuild that almost never works. f***, forget about the Sabres if you'd like. The Oilers were amongst the worst franchises in sports and arguably the worst in the NHL ever, got a top 5 all time talent, and another top 5 current day talent on their roster and still haven't won a f***ing cup. Last year they lost to the same Panthers team as this Rangers team who everyone says sucks but I guess they mixed in a blowout win and won one extra game. Congrats I guess.

 

[Savant]

No one is disputing getting a better GM. We're disputing a full scale rebuild that almost never works. f***, forget about the Sabres if you'd like. The Oilers were amongst the worst franchises in sports and arguably the worst in the NHL ever, got a top 5 all time talent, and another top 5 current day talent on their roster and still haven't won a f***ing cup.

Yes. winning a cup is hard. Only one team wins it.

Last year they lost to the same Panthers team as this Rangers team who everyone says sucks but I guess they mixed in a blowout and won one extra game. Congrats I guess.

Last year is over. We do not exist in that world anymore

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Yes. winning a cup is hard. Only one team wins it.

Last year is over. We do not exist in that world anymore

That wasn't the point I was making. The point I was making was that the Oilers with their superstars with their superstars have done jackshit after a decade of being the worst franchise in sports. It took them like 4 #1 overall picks to get to the level they're at now which is never good enough. And yet this is what people are clamoring for with the Rangers. f*** that. A retool is necessary, a full scale rebuild can get f***ed.

 

[Savant]

That wasn't the point I was making. The point I was making was that the Oilers with their superstars with their superstars have done jackshit after a decade of being the worst franchise in sports. It took them like 4 #1 overall picks to get to the level they're at now which is never good enough. And yet this is what people are clamoring for with the Rangers. f*** that. A retool is necessary, a full scale rebuild can get f***ed.

The Oilers have superstars to build around though. It doesn’t matter if the Oilers are only where they are because of McDavid. Because they have McDavid.

We have a goalie.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The Oilers have superstars to build around though. We have a goalie.

We do not have a goalie. The goalie f***ing sucks. But the Oilers have done jack shit with their superstars.