Player Discussion: Patrik Laine IVever: a new hope? (Laine out of PAP, trade request still stands)

[Johnny Jacket]

I'm good either way. Sure I want him to sign long term but with his health issues and high salary I wouldn't be upset if he doesn't and we trade him. I think he will be excited to sign long term.

 

[Murky]

2 things.

Laine wants stability, he hasn’t gotten a longterm deal yet in his career.

For Columbus Laine playing on a 1 year deal would be way way too risky.

Sure. Laine wanting a long term deal is a widely assumed as is Jackets' wish to sign him long term. But if Laine gets to choose between 8x8.2 or 8x8.5 and 1x7.5 straight to UFA - what would you choose? For CBJ that would be a bit risky but that's not relevant at all. The team doesn't get to make a choice about QO that's already on the table.

Also my point was not that Laine would want a short term deal as such. Taking the QO would give time to work out the cap situation and do the long term deal in a few months. If both parties want a long term deal anyway it should be all right.

I understand that the fans want him at a lowest possible contract. But that QO, in my opinion, puts a floor in place under which it just makes no sense for Laine. It's hard to say where exactly the floor is but I don't think 8M that is suggested at main boards is very realistic at all and I don't think that the Jarmo's rumored offer of 8x8.2 is, either. But that's just my opinion.

BTW I am even more of a fan of Jarmo than I am of Laine so I do see the other side as well. But that's a 25-year-old story that I am sure none of you are interested in

 

[BB88]

Sure. Laine wanting a long term deal is a widely assumed as is Jackets' wish to sign him long term. But if Laine gets to choose between 8x8.2 or 8x8.5 and 1x7.5 straight to UFA - what would you choose? For CBJ that would be a bit risky but that's not relevant at all. The team doesn't get to make a choice about QO that's already on the table.

Also my point was not that Laine would want a short term deal as such. Taking the QO would give time to work out the cap situation and do the long term deal in a few months. If both parties want a long term deal anyway it should be all right.

I understand that the fans want him at a lowest possible contract. But that QO, in my opinion, puts a floor in place under which it just makes no sense for Laine. It's hard to say where exactly the floor is but I don't think 8M that is suggested at main boards is very realistic at all and I don't think that the Jarmo's rumored offer of 8x8.2 is, either. But that's just my opinion.

BTW I am even more of a fan of Jarmo than I am of Laine so I do see the other side as well. But that's a 25-year-old story that I am sure none of you are interested in

It would be anything but alright for Columbus.
You can’t sign a new contract for like 6 months if he takes the QO and Columbus could never afford the risk of Laine bolting in a year and one injury to Laine could hit his value to rock bottom again losing him millions in the way.

Gm’s especially who don’t have contenders can’t treat negotiations like that.
Yeah he says he wants to sign with us so he must want to re-sign him with us to see them bolt for nothing few months later.

 

[majormajor]

Sure. Laine wanting a long term deal is a widely assumed as is Jackets' wish to sign him long term. But if Laine gets to choose between 8x8.2 or 8x8.5 and 1x7.5 straight to UFA - what would you choose? For CBJ that would be a bit risky but that's not relevant at all. The team doesn't get to make a choice about QO that's already on the table.

Also my point was not that Laine would want a short term deal as such. Taking the QO would give time to work out the cap situation and do the long term deal in a few months. If both parties want a long term deal anyway it should be all right.

I understand that the fans want him at a lowest possible contract. But that QO, in my opinion, puts a floor in place under which it just makes no sense for Laine. It's hard to say where exactly the floor is but I don't think 8M that is suggested at main boards is very realistic at all and I don't think that the Jarmo's rumored offer of 8x8.2 is, either. But that's just my opinion.

BTW I am even more of a fan of Jarmo than I am of Laine so I do see the other side as well. But that's a 25-year-old story that I am sure none of you are interested in

If the Jackets don't get at least a 2 or 3 year commitment from Laine this summer, then he'll probably be swiftly traded. The Jackets aren't a win-now team and there's no stomach to deal with anymore contract drama or negativity. They won't go into the year with Laine in position to walk to UFA. I do get the idea that a short term deal would let Laine better prove himself. But that deal has to be at least 2-3 years or the team has to move him.

 

[NotCommitted]

If the Jackets don't get at least a 2 or 3 year commitment from Laine this summer, then he'll probably be swiftly traded. The Jackets aren't a win-now team and there's no stomach to deal with anymore contract drama or negativity. They won't go into the year with Laine in position to walk to UFA. I do get the idea that a short term deal would let Laine better prove himself. But that deal has to be at least 2-3 years or the team has to move him.

They'll get it done, I don't think there's really interest in 2-3 year deals by either side, unless they are truly so far apart it becomes impossible to find a compromise, but if that's the case then that seems pretty bad for long term future anyway. The way both parties have talked about the situation, it would really be a bit pretty colossal failure if they can't put together a contract which is acceptable for both CBJ & Laine.

 

[majormajor]

The way both parties have talked about the situation, it would really be a bit pretty colossal failure if they can't put together a contract which is acceptable for both CBJ & Laine.

I don't care about the talk. Saying "I want to sign long term in Columbus" is great but not so great if the contract demands are too high. "I want to sign long term in Columbus if you pay me $10m per year" isn't something we can work with.

 

[Murky]

It would be anything but alright for Columbus.
You can’t sign a new contract for like 6 months if he takes the QO and Columbus could never afford the risk of Laine bolting in a year and one injury to Laine could hit his value to rock bottom again losing him millions in the way.

Gm’s especially who don’t have contenders can’t treat negotiations like that.
Yeah he says he wants to sign with us so he must want to re-sign him with us to see them bolt for nothing few months later.

I agree completely. There has been good replies to my posts but you are missing my point. The point I am failing to make is that the QO is a fact. If the long term offer is so low that Laine doesn't take it, despite wanting to sign long term, then he has until 22nd to decide if he wants 7.5M straight to UFA. The more important point is that 22nd is very soon. And before that Laine has to make a decision one way or the other. If or not it is inconvenient for CBJ or a strategy that Jarmo can't afford etc. is relevant only as much as it shows in the offer they are extending to Laine. Not an ounce more.

If the Jackets don't get at least a 2 or 3 year commitment from Laine this summer, then he'll probably be swiftly traded. The Jackets aren't a win-now team and there's no stomach to deal with anymore contract drama or negativity. They won't go into the year with Laine in position to walk to UFA. I do get the idea that a short term deal would let Laine better prove himself. But that deal has to be at least 2-3 years or the team has to move him.

That works both ways. CBJ needs commitment for a few years and they'd probably want 7 or 8. Laine wants commitment that pays for those years 2+. Which brings me to your point about talk in the next quote. The desire to stay in Columbus and the desire for security are mostly relevant to CBJ only as far as they show in the numbers that Laine wants.

I don't care about the talk. Saying "I want to sign long term in Columbus" is great but not so great if the contract demands are too high. "I want to sign long term in Columbus if you pay me $10m per year" isn't something we can work with.

That too works both ways. Saying we want to sign him long term and offering 8x8.2 when there already is 1x7.5 on the table works out exactly the same. It's not even a question if Jarmo thinks Laine is worth more than 8.2 - it's just such a low offer that no one in their right mind would accept it instead of the 1x7.5 straight to UFA. Just like 10M per year for Laine is not a realistic option. Now if one year deal is what CBJ want then fair enough. Like you, I don't much care for talk since it is mostly PR that gets published.

Let's forget about Laine specifically for a second. Imagine a player that has a qualifying offer of 5 millions straight to UFA. How many players would sign 8x5 if there were no other bizarre factors? Zero? Surely we can agree on that? How many would sign 8x 10% more?

Finally, not to anyone particular but regarding the cap - it is expected to go up significantly and while it is a few years away, it's still well within the limits of long term deals that are signed this season.

EDIT: This took a while and many edits made some of the original text really confusing. Hopefully it is more clear now.

 

[DougKnowsBest]

A 3 year deal makes so much sense to me it’s painful.

To me, if laine is concerned in 3 years he might not demonstratively deserve more money a year…. Then he should be jumping on what ever long term deal jarmo is offering. From laine’s perspective…signing a long term deal now leaves to much post 2025 money on the table

He needs to wrap it up this week or we ship him for barzal

 

[Rengorlex]

 

[DougKnowsBest]

That’s horseshit.

He made a play against a pass going up along the wall. The flame player read it and went the other way.

If ifs and buts were candys and nuts everyday would be Christmas

 

[Rengorlex]

That’s horseshit.

He made a play against a pass going up along the wall. The flame player read it and went the other way.

If ifs and buts were candys and nuts everyday would be Christmas

There were no Flames in the wall side of the rink at all.

 

[Xoggz22]

Yeah but didn't you see in the opening of the clip that Jenner was telling Gaudreau to "come play with us"...

You know what? It worked!

 

[majormajor]

That too works both ways. Saying we want to sign him long term and offering 8x8.2 when there already is 1x7.5 on the table works out exactly the same. It's not even a question if Jarmo thinks Laine is worth more than 8.2 - it's just such a low offer that no one in their right mind would accept it instead of the 1x7.5 straight to UFA. Just like 10M per year for Laine is not a realistic option. Now if one year deal is what CBJ want then fair enough. Like you, I don't much care for talk since it is mostly PR that gets published.

If I'm Laine I'd prefer to sign for at least 2 years because a 1 year deal just gets me traded. And while UFA often means a bigger payday, I don't think it does in this case. Maybe Laine thinks it does but I don't. I don't think there is a GM in the league that values him higher than Jarmo does. If he gets traded then that takes away potentially his highest bidder (Jarmo) and takes him away from a strong situation with a coach he can work with and now an A+ playmaker that can pump up his value. If he's traded he loses all of that, and if he stumbles next year he's looking at a paycut not a raise.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Lol this is such cherry picking

 

[majormajor]

That’s horseshit.

He made a play against a pass going up along the wall. The flame player read it and went the other way.

If ifs and buts were candys and nuts everyday would be Christmas

Nah, this is just an old habit of Laine's, he doesn't want to stop and start (exhausting) so he turns early. It's typical for men's league play. Even if you wanted to keep your stick in the lane up the wall you still should close on the puck carrier, at least make it a little harder for them.

 

[DougKnowsBest]

There were no Flames in the wall side of the rink at all.

When he crosses paths with Johnny jacket and capt Boone, graudeau is heading towards the wall. The direction laine defended against…. In the attack zone along the blue line.

Everyone say this out loud and find the problem…. He defended along the wall at his blue line thinking his center was in position checking the winger behind him.

 

[DougKnowsBest]

Nah, this is just an old habit of Laine's, he doesn't want to stop and start (exhausting) so he turns early. It's typical for men's league play. Even if you wanted to keep your stick in the lane up the wall you still should close on the puck carrier, at least make it a little harder for them.

He keeps his momentum in the offensive zone there you say?

This isn’t mens league. These guys can do things we can’t… like knocking down a puck along the boards and turning one quick.

I’m not saying patty couldn’t drive harder in general. But in this particular clip. I can see something there more than him peeling off.

 

[NotCommitted]

I don't care about the talk. Saying "I want to sign long term in Columbus" is great but not so great if the contract demands are too high. "I want to sign long term in Columbus if you pay me $10m per year" isn't something we can work with.

There's more than one way to fail, that'd be one

 

[I3LI3]

this is entirely hypothetical but what would happen if Jarmo traded say Nyquist or Jake for cap space to sign Laine but Laine decided to not sign with us and then Jake/Gus are gone just like that? there’s no possible way a player of Laine’s caliber could just be like “yeah, i’m signing for sure” and then the GM trades a player(s) for cap space and the player decides not to sign, right?

Laine can’t be signed until the cap space is cleared, yeah? so hypothetically what would happen if that did occur? just got me thinking. lol

hope I made sense.

 

[stevo61]

this is entirely hypothetical but what would happen if Jarmo traded say Nyquist or Jake for cap space to sign Laine but Laine decided to not sign with us and then Jake/Gus are gone just like that? there’s no possible way a player of Laine’s caliber could just be like “yeah, i’m signing for sure” and then the GM trades a player(s) for cap space and the player decides not to sign, right?

Laine can’t be signed until the cap space is cleared, yeah? so hypothetically what would happen if that did occur? just got me thinking. lol

hope I made sense.

They can go 10% over the cap in the offseason. Jarmo likely wants the deal done 1st unless a good deal comes along

 

[PhilJets]

For all the Finland Laine's fan

How's his training so far.

Is it similar to his last summer training of his last year with the Jets?

He was really training hard during those months.

 

[NotCommitted]

For all the Finland Laine's fan

How's his training so far.

Is it similar to his last summer training of his last year with the Jets?

He was really training hard during those months.

He's training again with Barkov so that much is the same. That was the extent of my knowledge

 

[Ippenator]

For all the Finland Laine's fan

How's his training so far.

Is it similar to his last summer training of his last year with the Jets?

He was really training hard during those months.

He’s training with Barkov for the 3rd offseason in a row. Barkov is known as a very committed and hard trainer, and accepts only guys with the same committed attitude to train with him. But it was never about if Laine trains hard, as he has been doing that every offseason. But it’s about, has he been doing the right things for exactly his development? Hard to say for sure, although his relatively poor development from his first NHL seasons would probably suggest that it hasn’t been optimal. On the other hand his two worst seasons so far have been very much ruined by injuries. But maybe part of that was the training not being ideal for his situation? Hard to say about this for sure either.

 

[PhilJets]

He’s training with Barkov for the 3rd offseason in a row. Barkov is known as a very committed and hard trainer, and accepts only guys with the same committed attitude to train with him. But it was never about if Laine trains hard, as he has been doing that every offseason. But it’s about, has he been doing the right hings for exactly his development? Hard to say for sure, although his relatively poor development from his first NHL seasons would probably suggest that it hasn’t been optimal. On the other hand his two worst seasons so far have been very much ruined by injuries. But maybe part of that was the training not being ideal for his situation? Hard to say about this for sure either.

Ok thanks


I only meant

I haven't followed him closely since he left the Jets so i wasn't sure.
As he had injuries after.


But that is very good to hear.

A prime Laine is hard to stop.
A prime and an engage Laine is very very hard to stop.

His shots arsenal is crazy.
He can make sneaky good passess also.
And when he has open ice he can breal ankles.

He's training again with Barkov so that much is the same. That was the extent of my knowledge

Nice to hear.

 

[behemolari]

He's training again with Barkov so that much is the same. That was the extent of my knowledge

Lots of eating chicken wings and performing on telia commercials

Oh and Barkov is developing with shot arsenal..