Player Discussion: Patrik Laine IVever: a new hope? (Laine out of PAP, trade request still stands)

[VT]

Just saw/found this.

2:40 in.

CBJ/NHL player: “He’s pretty f***ing lazy”.

And agrees with Torts when adding, “If you’re a liability defensively this team doesn’t go anywhere”.

How many past or current CBJ players feel this way??

What about throughout the league?? Does signing Laine “long term” help or hurt the teams chances of possibly adding a significant player through free agency??

Torts a Lars said something another. Especially Lars. And journalists didn't ask them about it.

But to your question about his contract. It's easy. No team which wants to be success won't pay him more than $9.000.000 (salary cap will be higher). Every team needs a sniper, look at Florida, Carolina... in PO. I like Patrik you see it. But it doesn't mean I'm not realist. He isn't Kucherov.

Btw, MDZ is about as responsible in defense as Homer Simpson is in his job.

 

[stevo61]

That Patrick Kane guy is pretty terrible defensively but I feel like I remember him winning something before. Maybe even more than once

 

[KJ Dangler]

While there is absolutely no excusing Laine being lazy, and there’s of course that reputation he has and has earned throughout his career thus far, management and Larsen were willing to wipe the slate clean for him last year in year 2 of the Laine/CBJ experiment and he was way better with his effort. Maybe we can credit torts to that, at least partially, but I don’t think it would be appropriate for the jackets to wipe the slate clean with him and then use his past against him in contract negotiations.

Also lol at MDZ, of all players, to complain about laziness and defensive liability. He’s not wrong, but that’s a pot calling the kettle black.

He’s also referring to the younger generation as entitled thru out the video, MDZ is …

Laine is definitely the best player on the jackets by a wide margin , and He’s what 24 yrs old ? My guess is deal gets done for 5 yrs at 9 mill per season , hopefully a front loaded contract .

 

[CBJWerenski8]

This stuff usually doesn’t matter but it is things I pay attention to, the newest CBJ commercial they put out for tickets next year prominently features Laine a few times. Back in the day, when Johansen was holding out, there was no mention of him anywhere on their promos.

The CBJ marketing team must feel confident in him staying, is my point here.

 

[Ippenator]

What sacrifice has he made?

He got exactly what he was worth at the time, his game exploded after his RFA deal.
Mackinnon, Barkov, Scheifele all for paid around 6M at that time.

He didn’t take a discount, it looks like now because his game got better and other ridiculous contracts after that.

But again 6M was what the best elc players were getting on their rfa deals.
The best Dmen were in 5-5.5 range then and today they are in 8-9.5M range

MacKinnon just recently said that he will take a discount with his next contract, because he wants to win and he understands that to win they need to afford to keep good players and him taking a discount will help in that. That’s a true winner’s attitude.

 

[BB88]

MacKinnon just recently said that he will take a discount with his next contract, because he wants to win and he understands that to win they need to afford to keep good players and him taking a discount will help in that. That’s a true winner’s attitude.

That’s not what we were arguin against.

I believe he will leave money on the table, but the 1st contract he got was in line what the best young players in the league got at the time.

Boston has the same winning like culture, none of Marchand, Bergeron or Pasta went for max money.

Winning and right leadership often does that.

 

[Ippenator]

That’s not what we were arguin against.

I believe he will leave money on the table, but the 1st contract he got was in line what the best young players in the league got at the time.

Boston has the same winning like culture, none of Marchand, Bergeron or Pasta went for max money.

Winning and right leadership often does that.

Those other young players left then also some money on the table, and MacKinnon did it then too. Maybe they didn’t leave big money on the table, but they could have still went for more if they wanted. Just some quite humble, smart and young players, and that will eventually lead into success for each of them, if they get that attitude to spread in their teams with their example. I think it has happened already now for Colorado, and there will probably be still more from them.

I have definitely nothing to argue about the Boston players that you mentioned. Great players with the great attitude. They never asked for greedy amounts of money and gave their team a better shot at winning the cup. Of course the competition is very tough, so doing these kind of right things are naturally not a guarantee for winning the cup. But they can improve the chances still substantially.

 

[VT]

Those other young players left then also some money on the table, and MacKinnon did it then too. Maybe they didn’t leave big money on the table, but they could have still went for more if they wanted. Just some quite humble, smart and young players, and that will eventually lead into success for each of them, if they get that attitude to spread in their teams with their example. I think it has happened already now for Colorado, and there will probably be still more from them.

I have definitely nothing to argue about the Boston players that you mentioned. Great players with the great attitude. They never asked for greedy amounts of money and gave their team a better shot at winning the cup. Of course the competition is very tough, so doing these kind of right things are naturally not a guarantee for winning the cup. But they can improve the chances still substantially.

In short, if Patrick wants a lot and doesn't want to change his mind, it's better to trade him.

 

[Ippenator]

In short, if Patrick wants a lot and doesn't want to change his mind, it's better to trade him.

Maybe. But hard to say what is too much after all? I doubt that he is asking anything crazy though. He is more about winning than money. Some people seem to believe the other way around, but those people haven't been then following his career since junior’s and don’t necessarily know him too well as a player.

 

[BB88]

Those other young players left then also some money on the table, and MacKinnon did it then too. Maybe they didn’t leave big money on the table, but they could have still went for more if they wanted. Just some quite humble, smart and young players, and that will eventually lead into success for each of them, if they get that attitude to spread in their teams with their example. I think it has happened already now for Colorado, and there will probably be still more from them.

I have definitely nothing to argue about the Boston players that you mentioned. Great players with the great attitude. They never asked for greedy amounts of money and gave their team a better shot at winning the cup. Of course the competition is very tough, so doing these kind of right things are naturally not a guarantee for winning the cup. But they can improve the chances still substantially.

The hockey world was different at that time.
Kids coming from elc couldn’t ask superstar money, the same that players going UFA could ask.
It all changed after Dubas signed Marner& Matthews and cut the difference between rfa and ufa deals

 

[Ippenator]

The hockey world was different at that time.
Kids coming from elc couldn’t ask superstar money, the same that players going UFA could ask.
It all changed after Dubas signed Marner& Matthews and cut the difference between rfa and ufa deals

Nope, just different kind of kids. Not at all as greedy and arrogant as Matthews and Marner.

 

[LJ7]

Just saw/found this.

2:40 in.

CBJ/NHL player: “He’s pretty f***ing lazy”.

And agrees with Torts when adding, “If you’re a liability defensively this team doesn’t go anywhere”.

How many past or current CBJ players feel this way??

What about throughout the league?? Does signing Laine “long term” help or hurt the teams chances of possibly adding a significant player through free agency??

We don't need MDZ to tell us what we saw in 20-21. Sure if Laine just reverts to whatever that season was then yeah we're screwed and not because prospective free agents wouldn't want to sign here. Laine wasn't a defensive liability in 21-22.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

We don't need MDZ to tell us what we saw in 20-21. Sure if Laine just reverts to whatever that season was then yeah we're screwed and not because prospective free agents wouldn't want to sign here. Laine wasn't a defensive liability in 21-22.

MDZ = if I just say regular old nice stuff about guys, nobody shares/links my podcast…

Which is what I mean when I say things like we get the media we want, even though it more often than not sucks.

 

[stevo61]

At Laine's age Del Zotto was more worried about creeping out pornstars and constantly messaging them than playing good hockey. He was bouncing between 3 teams in 2 years and trending down.
Lazy Laine is trending up and just had his 1st ppg season. Probably better defensively than Del Zotto at that age and Laine is not that great in his own end.

 

[majormajor]

I don’t think it would be appropriate for the jackets to wipe the slate clean with him and then use his past against him in contract negotiations.

For Lars, sure, wipe the slate. But Jarmo isn't doing his job if he is ignoring a player's track record.

MDZ = if I just say regular old nice stuff about guys, nobody shares/links my podcast…

Is it really that hard to believe that someone who played with Laine in 20-21 has a negative opinion about him? I'd be surprised if someone had positive thoughts if that was all they experienced of him.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

For Lars, sure, wipe the slate. But Jarmo isn't doing his job if he is ignoring a player's track record.

That’s fair.

 

[VT]

Maybe. But hard to say what is too much after all? I doubt that he is asking anything crazy though. He is more about winning than money. Some people seem to believe the other way around, but those people haven't been then following his career since junior’s and don’t necessarily know him too well as a player.

Jarmo knows how much. The problem is Werenski's salary. He doesn't deserve so much but Jarmo had to do it. And now it's difficult to say other players they should make concessions to the team. Btw I think we can have problems with Elvis' contract in the future too.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

For Lars, sure, wipe the slate. But Jarmo isn't doing his job if he is ignoring a player's track record.



Is it really that hard to believe that someone who played with Laine in 20-21 has a negative opinion about him? I'd be surprised if someone had positive thoughts if that was all they experienced of him.

“I only played with the guy for one season. He didn’t show that well - kinda lazy and disconnected. But that was a weird season you know? Nothing much went right. I pretty much sucked too. And sure there were times in my career when I didn’t play to expectations. So I don’t want to draw too many conclusions from my own anecdotal experience.”

Zero shares probably

 

[majormajor]

“I only played with the guy for one season. He didn’t show that well - kinda lazy and disconnected. But that was a weird season you know? Nothing much went right. I pretty much sucked too. And sure there were times in my career when I didn’t play to expectations. So I don’t want to draw too many conclusions from my own anecdotal experience.”

Zero shares probably

I understood your point the first time, it is just off base in my opinion. This isn't MDZ's podcast, he's just the guest of the week and doesn't have a stake. There is probably an attention-seeking element with him but he's also probably just saying what he actually thinks. "The guy is lazy" said by one player publicly about another is rare and carries a different meaning than what you wrote. You probably wouldn't say "the guy is lazy" if your actual opinion was what you wrote.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I understood your point the first time, it is just off base in my opinion. This isn't MDZ's podcast, he's just the guest of the week and doesn't have a stake. There is probably an attention-seeking element with him but he's also probably just saying what he actually thinks. "The guy is lazy" said by one player publicly about another is rare and carries a different meaning than what you wrote. You probably wouldn't say "the guy is lazy" if your actual opinion was what you wrote.

Yes but my subsequent point was that if indeed he came away from his single season playing with him with a negative impression, as you suggest, he still could have said something different. But he didn’t. Because you need to say things.

 

[majormajor]

Yes but my subsequent point was that if indeed he came away from his single season playing with him with a negative impression, as you suggest, he still could have said something different. But he didn’t. Because you need to say things.

Ok. "Brutal honesty sells", I can see that.

 

[summer tooth]

Laine is actually slightly better at defense than Del Zotto and Laine is playing at the NHL level. You have to feel kind of bad for Del Zotto here because it seems like he's crying out for help.

 

[majormajor]

Laine is actually slightly better at defense than Del Zotto and Laine is playing at the NHL level. You have to feel kind of bad for Del Zotto here because it seems like he's crying out for help.

Laine was one of the worst players in the league when those two were on the same team. This isn't some comment that needs a lot of psychoanalysis and claims made about someone's mental health.

 

[summer tooth]

Laine was one of the worst players in the league when those two were on the same team. This isn't some comment that needs a lot of psychoanalysis and claims made about someone's mental health.

Del Zotto's comments here are pretty unusual. This is a guy in his 30's presumably hoping for another chance, but he's acting like he's already retired.

 

[VT]

I see I translated it bad because I thought it was MDZ's option. That's why my reaction was as was.

IMHO it's good for us we know not only "right words". Of course for players (in this case Patrik) it isn't very pleasant. And I don't like similar things are saying in this time when we want to close a new contract with him.